Newbie 1136: DarthYoshi's Dystopia of Death (Fin--who won?!)

[Johhog]

Wasn't about hiplop specific, I wanted everyone to give their reads in case they got nk'd.
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Let me think for a moment now. I was nearly sure that Ghostlin is scum, and when I saw his flip I thought Theam was scum, but this kill is confusing me, almost like scum want to frame Theam. I dunno though, maybe it's a double bluff?

[Morthas]

Wasn't about hiplop specific, I wanted everyone to give their reads in case they got nk'd.
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Let me think for a moment now. I was nearly sure that Ghostlin is scum, and when I saw his flip I thought Theam was scum, but this kill is confusing me, almost like scum want to frame Theam. I dunno though, maybe it's a double bluff?

WIFOM. Don't bother thinking about it.
The fact that you brought it up after 2 others did gives me vibes, especially when in the same post you have shown that you did read our posts. This could be the exact intention of the NK, create confusion.

IGMEOY: Johhog

I say we pay no attention how it affects Theams case and certainly do not lynch him because of some WIFOM bs.
Since my read on Theam is obvtown and my other suspect is dead and innocent I need to pay closer attention to everyone else.

[Morthas]

Also @Johhog: Setting Theam aside who else is scum?

[Johhog]

Well, DH-Star is scummy but the Ghostlin flip makes him more town. Still, I can't really find who is scum here. Perhaps you Morthas? I get a weird feeling from your posts, almost like you're... well, I'm sorry, but I can't put my finger on it.

Who was the 2 others who brought it up? I'm afraid I missed it.

[Morthas]

Actually, it is logical if you consider it like this:

Ghostlin is townie, so logical scum would be either Hiplop or TM. Since Hiplop is proven townie, so TM must be scum.
Obviously they want me to get lynched day 2.
From this, we can guess that scum is (from order of most likelyness):
1.Wanted to get TM lynched.
2. completely unlrelated to Hiplop.
3. attacked by hiplop.
If anyone passes off this post with a single WIFOM, I'm going to rage on them

That... was unexpected...
The reasons Hiplop might have been chosen:
1. Kill off an IC qualified person
2. Make a kill that has 100% of being sucessful

3. Make TM's lynch harder to avoid but that's WIFOM territory.

4. Create confusion among town.
5. Scum was PR fishing.
I'm going to look up people's interactions with Ghostlyn + Hiplop a bit later.

Conveniently missed it? Lovely.

[Morthas]

Well, DH-Star is scummy but the Ghostlin flip makes him more town. Still, I can't really find who is scum here. Perhaps you Morthas? I get a weird feeling from your posts, almost like you're... well, I'm sorry, but I can't put my finger on it.

Do your best at explaining it now please~.

[Johhog]

How is that relevant?

Ninja'd: I dunno, you're just feeling evasive, like you have something to hide... mostly a gut feeling, but tbh I don't feel it today so far.

[Stels]

Actually, it is logical if you consider it like this:
Ghostlin is townie, so logical scum would be either Hiplop or TM. Since Hiplop is proven townie, so TM must be scum.
Obviously they want me to get lynched day 2.
From this, we can guess that scum is (from order of most likelyness):
1.Wanted to get TM lynched.
2. completely unlrelated to Hiplop.
3. attacked by hiplop.
If anyone passes off this post with a single WIFOM, I'm going to rage on them

Logical scum wouldn't NK hiplop since he pushed for Ghostlin's lynch, making him easy pickings.

For the Town's sake, I hope Ghostlin doesn't flip Town because fingers would then be pointed at Hiplop, which I don't agree with since I think Hiplop is town regardless of what alignment Ghostlin is

Yeah, I guessed that either Stels or Hiplop would get NK'd,

since both would worsen my situation.

Explain the bolded please.

@Morthas: ISO'ed him and he's full of fluff. Besides the obvious questioning and under-the-radar one liners occasionally, he's my next scum suspect after TM =/

[Johhog]

OK, if we try to leave all the WIFOM out, why did hiplop get killed? He would be an easy lynch, and his play didn't really match a PR, so it must be something we can't see. Yeah, his kill may have been entirely designed to confuse, but I don't think it's that likely. I believe there is something we don't get, so I'll ISO him now.

[theamatuer]

I just noticed something

What can i say? I love getting wasted.

18 is Swedish legal drinking age?
ninja'd:

For part 1, from Ghostlin's lynch, most suspicious would be me and Hiplop. Hiplop is IC-eligible, and so should be able to pry suspicion off himself. On the other hand, I'm a newb, possible VI, and everybody saw how well I did at defending myself in day 1. So yeah, lynching Hiplop to bring suspicion to an already dangerously close newbie to push him over the edge would do good in stalling day 2 to LYLO.
If you can show other NK possible people, it would be appreciated

part 2, Hiplop is explained. I'll show yours in a plot.

TA=Village Idiot=newb
If TA=scum, then TA= newb idiot scum.
People attacking TA=Stel, CS, Ghost.
Ghost lynched day 1.
Stel main attacker possibly after Ghost.
Stel NK'd--> Attacked TA--> TA scum OMGUS NK'd Stels.
Given CS should be competent enough to convince others to recuit more, esp. neutrals(towards ta scum) like Johog and DH-star, this is a formula to instant lynch.

[Johhog]

I just noticed something

What can i say? I love getting wasted.

18 is Swedish legal drinking age?

Um, yeah, but I'm the Swede here (Morthas is English IIRC) and who waits for 18 anyway? I'd love to know what this has to do with anything.

[theamatuer]

So yeah, Hiplop is IC, which is the only thing going for him right now.
If the scumgoal isn't to lynch me, then, probably to lynch down from level of competence. Therefore, you SE's are most likely next if this is the case.
It doesn't, I just noticed it as curious, since I have only lived in US(legal age 21) and China (where no one gives a shit for the rules anyway) I never actually bothered checking.

[Morthas]

I just noticed something

What can i say? I love getting wasted.

18 is Swedish legal drinking age?

Um, yeah, but I'm the Swede here (Morthas is English IIRC) and who waits for 18 anyway? I'd love to know what this has to do with anything.

Fine! I'll change my location. Everyone presumes I don't lie about my Location :/. I am Ukrainian and been living in Cyprus since 5.
Although the Legal drinking age is here 17. ID checks are nonexistant.
Am 18 right now and only half a year ago I found out that we actually have a drinking age.

Now for some On-Topic.
@Stels: I expected as much but it's still nice to get someone else's opinion.
@Johhog: I have pointed out every possible reason for Hiplop dieing and from what i can see, we should pay no concern towards that, for now.
I am getting a feeling CS-Johhog-Stels will be my top suspects for the day.
@CS: I expect great things from you when you come back.

[DarthYoshi]

MOD: DH-star hasn't posted since tuesday, so 3 days until end of night 1. Is status reset, or should you prod him?

The prod clock gets reset at the start of a new game day. I did send a "mass-prod" PM letting folks know that D2 has begun, but that doesn't count towards a player's prod count. Thanks for checking.

~DY

[AeRyung]

The only reason I can think of why Hiplop would get NK'd is because he is most likely the biggest threat to scums aside from ConSpiracy. Hm... back to the drawing board.

[theamatuer]

So CS is the next victim unless we protect/lynch him first, right?

[Stels]

OK, if we try to leave all the WIFOM out, why did hiplop get killed? He would be an easy lynch, and his play didn't really match a PR, so it must be something we can't see. Yeah, his kill may have been entirely designed to confuse, but I don't think it's that likely. I believe there is something we don't get, so I'll ISO him now.

Parroting what I said and quoted 4 mins before your post...
For some reason, my gut tells me Johhog is one of the scum. Medium gut feeling, but it's there.

So yeah, Hiplop is IC, which is the only thing going for him right now.
If the scumgoal isn't to lynch me, then, probably to lynch down from level of competence. Therefore, you SE's are most likely next if this is the case.
It doesn't, I just noticed it as curious, since I have only lived in US(legal age 21) and China (where no one gives a shit for the rules anyway) I never actually bothered checking.

You're the only one talking about him being IC-qualified as the reason for the NK. You're worsening your situation again, since you are one of the 3 who aren't IC/SE here.

In the US, you can drink anything while inside your own house/property, no matter the age. Buying/Drinking anywhere outside your house requires you to be 21 years of age.

So CS is the next victim unless we protect/lynch him first, right?

Random target again...

[Johhog]

Heh, care to correct your lie?

[Johhog]

So CS is the next victim unless we protect/lynch him first, right?

Oh, why didn't I notice this scumslip earlier? This implies that you _know_ that CS is town.

[theamatuer]

So yeah, Hiplop is IC, which is the only thing going for him right now.
If the scumgoal isn't to lynch me, then, probably to lynch down from level of competence. Therefore, you SE's are most likely next if this is the case.
It doesn't, I just noticed it as curious, since I have only lived in US(legal age 21) and China (where no one gives a shit for the rules anyway) I never actually bothered checking.

You're the only one talking about him being IC-qualified as the reason for the NK. You're worsening your situation again, since you are one of the 3 who aren't IC/SE here.

yep. Doesn't make it any less possible though.

In the US, you can drink anything while inside your own house/property, no matter the age. Buying/Drinking anywhere outside your house requires you to be 21 years of age.

Nahh, only true for 17 states. 15 ban it outright, and the others have special restrictions

So CS is the next victim unless we protect/lynch him first, right?

Random target again...

Nope. I said that NK'd downwards from experience level is a possible plan, and from this

The only reason I can think of why Hiplop would get NK'd is because he is most likely the biggest threat to scums aside from ConSpiracy. Hm... back to the drawing board.

It seems that CS is next.
NINJA'd: The final part works for you as well, Johhog/

[ConSpiracy]

Actually, it is logical if you consider it like this:
Ghostlin is townie, so logical scum would be either Hiplop or TM. Since Hiplop is proven townie, so TM must be scum.
Obviously they want me to get lynched day 2.
From this, we can guess that scum is (from order of most likelyness):
1.Wanted to get TM lynched.
2. completely unlrelated to Hiplop.
3. attacked by hiplop.
If anyone passes off this post with a single WIFOM, I'm going to rage on them

I love this post. So scum tries to lynch you as much as possible. However, scum wants to win, so they do not care about lynching you, but lynching anybody. Why would they kill hiplop when he was likely to recieve just as much suspicion as you so they secure your lynch? They could have split lynch choices...

That... was unexpected...
The reasons Hiplop might have been chosen:
1. Kill off an IC qualified person
2. Make a kill that has 100% of being sucessful
3. Make TM's lynch harder to avoid but that's WIFOM territory.
4. Create confusion among town.
5. Scum was PR fishing.
I'm going to look up people's interactions with Ghostlyn + Hiplop a bit later.

As this post shows, night kill analysis is very dangerous. Even the most logical reasons to kill someone may be wrong because they had a PR-tell on him or killed just for ICness.
It may be used for evidence, but try to evade basing a case on it.

18 is Swedish legal drinking age?

In The Netherlands 16 is the legal age to drink beer/wine/rose/soft-alcoholic drinks

@CS: I expect great things from you when you come back.

If you do the same. Your day 1 coasts wasn't unnoticed and activity suddenly picked up after that.

Anyways, my real life is very busy, so I might be dissapearing for a short period once in a while. I will be as active as possible, though, and nowhere near prodding range.

[Morthas]

@CS: I expect great things from you when you come back.

If you do the same. Your day 1 coasts wasn't unnoticed and activity suddenly picked up after that.

Wut?

[Morthas]

@CS: I expect great things from you when you come back.

If you do the same. Your day 1 coasts wasn't unnoticed and activity suddenly picked up after that.

Wut?

What I am trying to say is:
I don't remember coasting.

[AeRyung]

@ConSpiracy Kudos to you and your busy life. It's admirable. Anyway, Ghostlin and hiplop are no longer with us so you are next in line to give us some insight on this matter. Instead of suggestions and mechanics of gameplay, I would like to hear your perception on who you believe to be scum and a thorough reason why. Will you lead town in the right direction?

[DarthYoshi]

I stopped by to be the votecount man and saw that this post would be at the very bottom of the page, mitigating its utility as a votecount post. So I am blatantly using it as filler so that I can make a new VC at the very tippy top of the next page. Please carry on.