Any Band U-Pick (Town Wins)

[Magua]

So Regfan, you're both in a neighborhood with Gorilla and in a mason....lodge?...with Gaoth, yes? And Gaoth and you are alignment confirmed to eachother?

Seraphims doc save target claims are N1: Juls. N2: ToD. N3: CES

Missing a protection, probably N3(?) because CES died N4.

Explain your trust of Trumpet of Doom, please.

[Regfan]

So Regfan, you're both in a neighborhood with Gorilla and in a mason....lodge?...with Gaoth, yes? And Gaoth and you are alignment confirmed to eachother?

Yes. I'm in a mason quicktopic and a neighborhood quicktopic, I joined both on night one. I have day and night talk inside the quick topic but I only am allowed to speak in the masonary quick topic after the flip has occurred. We are indeed alignment confirmed to each other, had he masoned mafia N1 he would have mismasoned and died.

Missing a protection, probably N3(?) because CES died N4.

He died on N3, Seraphim hasn't revealed who he actually saved N4 yet.

Explain your trust of Trumpet of Doom, please.

I'm not going to lie, I've actually been highly suspicious of him ever since I re-read just after the CMAR flip. I'm actually leaning towards him potentially being mafia at the moment.

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Your thoughts on the whole situation and claims are badly needed.

[DemonHybrid]

Unvote, Vote: Seraphim

[Slaxx]

Vote Count 5.02

Gaoth(0):
Demonhybrid(1): Nikanor
Regfan(0):
Tarsonisocelot(1): Trumpet of Doom
CSL(2): Seraphim, Gorilla
Magua(0):
Seraphim(4): Gaoth, Regfan, CSL, Demonhybrid
Nikanor(1): Magua
Trumpet Of Doom(0):
Gorilla(0):

Not Voting:

Tarsonisocelot

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch and 5 to no lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2011-08-24 18:30:00)

[Seraphim]

I protected Regfan last night.

Look guys I am super, super tired exhausted right now and like mentally shot. I'm going to respond to the fucking clusterfuck later but I am just super pissed that after all the information I've imparted, I get turned on like this.

If you guys are interested in wasting a lynch, please, by all means, go ahead. In the meantime, I'm going to try and gather myself.

[Regfan]

I'm going to respond to the fucking clusterfuck later but I am just super pissed that after all the information I've imparted, I get turned on like this. If you guys are interested in wasting a lynch, please, by all means, go ahead. In the meantime, I'm going to try and gather myself.

By this information you mean that there's existence of a roleblocker in the setup? Because I'm struggling to understand how that is 'valuable information' and valuable enough to want to be neighbouized for while outing that you're a power-role. You have plenty of time to respond, plenty. We're riding this day out to the deadline so don't worry about there being a quick-lynch or anything so there isn't any need for you to rush if you're feeling flustered.

[Magua]

AtE less please. It reads as ultra scummy.

Details of the plan you had at the end of D4 and the plan you had at the beginning of D5 would be nice.

I wrote down a bunch of shit, and then threw it out the window. Here's the gist:

Regfan and Gaoth can be scum, but only with eachother. Given that we have two mislynches available and they're advocating to get the Doctor claim lynched, they're Town; scum-masons would need a reason why they're still alive come D7.

tarsonisocelot is the Governor. Governor has failed to govern two scum lynches. tarsonis is Town.

I don't buy a Doctor and a Bodyguard in the same setup, regardless of whether a Mafia Roleblocker exist. Bowser's claim doesn't even enter into it. I think Seraphim is either a Mafia Doctor or a Mafia Roleblocker.

Even if Seraphim is Town, I think he's a good lynch today. Seraphim-Town can't confirm himself by protecting anyone, because he and Gorilla are the last remaining roles that can be roleblocked, and Gorilla has yet to be roleblocked. Seraphim-Town confirms Mafia Roleblocker, and we know that Gorilla can't be a Roleblocker, so that would narrow the pool down to (Trumpet, Nikanor, CSL, Demonhybrid).

[Regfan]

tarsonisocelot is the Governor. Governor has failed to govern two scum lynches. tarsonis is Town.

I understand everything else you've said but where did this come from.

[Magua]

Explain to me why there's a 24-hour Twilight.

[Regfan]

Explain to me why there's a 24-hour Twilight.

So Slaxx has ample time to get the lynch flavour put together? All I know is Slaxx detests Governor as a role, especially a town sided governor and I don't see it making sense with the other roles in the game.

[Magua]

If that's the reason, it's not working very well.

[Regfan]

If that's the reason, it's not working very well.

He was on his phone on vacation then and forgot to get back around to it I believe. Do you really believe that there's

another

town pr in the game? There's three dead thus far and we have [Seraphim, Gaoth, Gorilla, DemonHybrid, Bowser] all claiming PR, assuming ones fake that's eight pr's in the setup, the governor making it nine.

[Regfan]

My math is slightly off but my point doesn't change.

DH and Nikanor, both of you need to stop avoiding this thread and actually start posting some content.

[Magua]

If he was on his phone on vacation, and he knew he was going to be on his phone on vacation, and the only reason he had a 24-hour twilight was to write the lynch scene, which he knew he wasn't going to write...I think he would've skipped the twilight.

I'm pretty sure there's no mafia goons in this setup, because we haven't seen any yet, and because if Seraphim is town we know there's a fourth mafia PR and if Seraphim's mafia I'm pretty certain he's still a PR.

I can see a setup of 5 Mafia PRs vs 7 Town PRs, for instance, especially as the majority of the PRs are not clearable in any way. I mean, 1-shot Bulletproof is like the made-for-scum claim. I've seen more scum Neighborizers than I can count.

[Regfan]

I can see a setup of 5 Mafia PRs vs 7 Town PRs, for instance, especially as the majority of the PRs are not clearable in any way. I mean, 1-shot Bulletproof is like the made-for-scum claim. I've seen more scum Neighborizers than I can count.

Does this mean you consider both mafia to have claimed their PR meaning that all VT claims are town, ie. ToD and Nikandor (The guy you're currently voting).

[Magua]

Does this mean you consider both mafia to have claimed their PR meaning that all VT claims are town, ie. ToD and Nikandor (The guy you're currently voting).

I'm voting Trumpet because something about his posts really rubs me the wrong way, and I see no reason to move my vote from him when I'm not ready for the Day to end yet.

It is a possibility I am very strongly considering. A lot of the theory for me rests on what Seraphim flips -- if he flips Town, there's obviously a Roleblocker who's not claiming his role, so the theory is in doubt. But if Seraphim flips Mafia, pretty damn sure the other Mafia is in the PRs.

[Regfan]

Magua, is diddin lkely to fake claim odd night watcher with his legitimate report or a fake one?

[Magua]

His real target, at least. Yes, I already noted the discrepancy.

[Seraphim]

Magua: are you willing to claim your role? You hinted that you weren't a VT earlier today...if you aren't a VT, I'd really like to hear otherwise, it would really help the setup analysis I'm trying to do currently.

[Seraphim]

Nevermind, Regfan tells me you were joking around earlier.

So we just need TO's claim.

[gorilla]

I neighborize during twilight. I'm not sure there's any other purpose.

[DemonHybrid]

I agree with your case on Seraphim, Regfan. Other than that, I really have nothing to say and am waiting for the full massclaim.

I'm going to take a few-month-long break from playing mafia after my round of games are over, for the record, so my desire to post a wall is nil. I'll wait for the claims before I make my next move, whether it be to stay on Sera, do an ISO, whatever. Now's not the time.

[Seraphim]

EPM - VT

Powerrox93 - VT

SpyreX - VT

AntB - VT

Nikanor - VT
ToD - VT
Regfan - VT
Magua - VT

Juls - Vigilante

CES - Tracker

Furry - Bodyguard

Seraphim - Doctor
DH - 1-shot bulletproof

Gorilla - Neighborizor

Gaoth - 1-shot Masonizor
CSL - JOAT(cop, doc, roleblock)

TO - ??????

Pine - 1-shot Bookie

diddin - Odd-Night Watcher

CMAR - Even-Night Rolecop

Investigative Roles:

CES - Tracker

CSL - JOAT(cop, doc, roleblock)

diddin - Odd-Night Watcher

CMAR - Even-Night Rolecop

Protective Roles:

Furry - Bodyguard

Seraphim - Doctor
DH - 1-shot bulletproof
CSL - JOAT(cop, doc, roleblock)

Roleblocking Roles:
CSL - JOAT(cop, doc, roleblock)

Redirection Roles:
CSL - JOAT(cop, doc, roleblock)

Killing Roles:

Pine - 1-shot Bookie

Juls - Vigilante

Recruiting Roles:

Gorilla - Neighborizor

Gaoth - 1-shot Masonizor

Analysis coming later, this is my handy little chart that outlines everything.

[Trumpet of Doom]

Does this mean you consider both mafia to have claimed their PR meaning that all VT claims are town, ie. ToD and Nikandor (The guy you're currently voting).

I'm voting Trumpet because something about his posts really rubs me the wrong way

I suspect that whatever you're seeing has something to do with the fact that I've been on autopilot for a large chunk of the game. For whatever reason, I have not been able to get motivated to contribute to/care about this game. Let me see what I can half-ass for you now:

I don't think I like DH's claim. Besides the standard "bulletproof claims always come from scum", there is this:

People saying that my read went 180 on CMAR obviously haven't been paying attention to the fact that diddin flipped scum.

There's a reason why

I'm not really talking that much this game

. Some of you have figured it out, some of you haven't.

Refer back to this post.

I was hoping to draw the NK.

Something about this does not add up. Seems to me that the appropriate way to play BP is to be so obviously town that scum have no choice but to try to kill you, not to try to drop tells that may or may not be picked up and might indicate that you have some kind of PR that prefers to stay hidden.

I could also totally buy Seraphim-scum. While a lot of that is me noticing that sheeping Regfan has gone fairly well recently (see: diddin, CMAR), I've been suspicious of him at least since way back around this post - the last time I remember seeing the argument about scum motivation, it was being made by scum trying to defend an unpopular town read on a town player, and I've sort of been wary of it since.

And then there's TO, whose lynch I've been asking for since the end of D1. Magua, I'm not sold on the idea that there needs to be a Governor in this setup, because gorilla's neighborizing happens during twilight. (I know nothing about Slaxx's mod meta, so I don't know whether Regfan's statement that Slaxx hates Governors is accurate.)

Regfan is town. Gaoth is town via Regfan. Magua is town. gorilla, CSL and Nik are all town enough to avoid the rope for the time being.

We've got four lynches. If we decide to to make those lynches some order of {DH, Seraphim, TO, me}, we should be able to win this game.

[CSL]

I have no redirection ability, Seraphim.