TV Mafia Game Over - Scum Win

[Nero Cain]

ZeL1nK is Vanilla

Town

as well.

Why did you announce our roles instead of just our alignment?

@Jun why was it important to list your track AFTER Shotty claimed?

[Nero Cain]

Oh I reread it, I understand what you mean now Ze1.

[Junpei]

Currently bogged down in another game, but I'll ISO shotty soon enough.

Nero, I was worried that she would announce a VT claim on Castle Bravo after my NV, which would be easy to fake. I didn't want her answer influenced by any other reports. But it appears that even now we won't know the full truth. I agree with ZeL1nK to not ask for a full claim.

[drmyshottyizsik]

He said he can use each action a maximum of 4 times.

I'm against a full claim until we get MoI's QT results.

Thanks, I had overlooked that!

So, Shotty, can you explain your actions in a simple format, please?

Something like:

"Pre-game - investigate ???
D1 -
N1 -
D2 -
N2 - kill Pappums
D3 -"

I also want explanations on why you decided to kill Pappums.

Pre Game- Rainbow Dash(Cop)
D1- MoI(Cop)
D2- Andrew(Cop)
N2- Pappums(Made Guard)
D3- ZeLinK(Cop)

Also mafia had to have hit me.
Each night I can choose a person to guard me, so if I am NK'd they are NK'd, but the trick is if I choose to use that ability during the night and no one tries to kill me I get majorly fucked. If I use it and I'm not targeted then not only can I not use an ability for the next two days, but I can also never use that ability again.

[killerjester]

Why did you choose Pappums for your guard?

[ZeL1nK]

You're claiming an insanely powerful role. Like... INSANELY powerful. I can't emphasise enough how powerful that role actually is, if you're town and telling the truth.

Why Pappums over someone like chk, who you said was 'obviously scummy' (or something like that) yesterday?

[Rodion]

Alright.

Why Pappums? Before voting Andrew you had a vote on Silver. Wouldn't it have made more sense to put Silver's (VT or mafia) life on the line instead?

[Junpei]

Yeah I'm not liking this claim by shotty at all. I can't wait for MoI to come, should be interesting to see what he has to say.

[drmyshottyizsik]

He was screaming 3rd party to me :/

P-Edit: Why?

[Junpei]

He was screaming 3rd party to me :/

P-Edit: Why?

Okay shotty let me recap your role:

You have multiple abilities that include but aren't limited to rolecop and kill direct.

You redirected the kill onto Pappums instead of confirmed VT/mafia Silver.

Get why I don't buy it now?

[killerjester]

On that note, I'm beginning to think I'm very, very wrong in my izak-scum read. I need to evaluate some things.

I'm looking for a follow-up on this regard. I haven't been tripping over myself to defend izak but he has given me a town vibe and I'd like to hear from the perspective of someone who agrees with me. In fact, I think scum-andrew saying that izak is town almost certainly means izak is town.

[drmyshottyizsik]

He was screaming 3rd party to me :/

P-Edit: Why?

Okay shotty let me recap your role:

You have multiple abilities that include but aren't limited to rolecop and kill direct.

You redirected the kill onto Pappums instead of confirmed VT/mafia Silver.

Get why I don't buy it now?

Why would I use a VT if I had the chance to kill scum? Also I kinda had my vote on silver just because I didn't see him as 100% mafia, and after Andrew was flipped as mafia I just couldn't see Silver being with him. Also I'm going to pull this out again

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[killerjester]

You just said Pappums was a likely 3rd party.

[Junpei]

Yes I saw your breadcrumb shotty, I'm ashamed that I didn't see it earlier. If I were more experienced I'm positive I would have. The point of the redirect is to protect a PR in favor of a more favorable death from towns point of view. VT fits the bill.

[Rodion]

He was screaming 3rd party to me :/

P-Edit: Why?

What made you think he was screaming 3rd-party?

[Oversoul]

P-Edit again: Could he really be guilty and that line just be part of your role flavour?

Still want Oversoul to answer this. How sure are you that your action was redirected?

Junpei we need your tracker results.

It is possible but why would my flavor be intentionally misleading?

The result from my investigation into Castle basically said "Although you receive a guilty, you don't know who is guilty. It appears something strange happened in during the night and your actions were tampered with by an unknown source."

If no one claims the redirect ability the ability belongs to scum. If someone does claim the ability you need to tell me why you chose to redirect me or Castle, the target, and why you chose that target.

[MagnaofIllusion]

VOTE: DrShotty

Once I'm done I'll be back to explain more fully why.

[FourseenCircumstance]

Why am I still alive :/

[Junpei]

Why am I still alive :/

Uh, wow, I can't believe that this is your first post? Why are you surprised to be alive?

Anyway, if you have any important reads to give that'd be great. Have you read up on hipaddict and the 50 other people you replaced all at once? Oh wait it was just a 2 head hydra that formed twice.

[drmyshottyizsik]

He was screaming 3rd party to me :/

P-Edit: Why?

What made you think he was screaming 3rd-party?

It was really gut. He was so null to me that 3rd party made sense. I took a risk and he ended up being town. Now I know I should have played it safe and used a VT, but it actually worked better for us this way. Vengeful Townies hit town way more than they hit scum.

[Meransiel]

That's wishful thinking.
Meh, just waiting on MoI here.

[drmyshottyizsik]

That's wishful thinking.
Meh, just waiting on MoI here.

How so?

[Nero Cain]

I have to agree with Jun here. Un4seen's latest post seems like just an activity post to me.

There are two town factions. I have no clue why.

[Junpei]

That's wishful thinking.
Meh, just waiting on MoI here.

How so?

VOTE: DrShotty

Once I'm done I'll be back to explain more fully why.

He apparently has some insightful info on why you are scum.

[MagnaofIllusion]

First in regards to Pappums being Vengeful – I now completely understand what they were doing in playing as specifically scummy as they did.

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Unless there are several protecting roles, such as another JK, doctor, roleblocker, etc, one kill a night suggests that ZeLink is a vig and that his shots are limited. Serial Killers have unlimited shots and there would be 2 kills a night because of the extra SK shots.

Why do you still believe Zel1nk is a Vig at all? What evidence other than his claim do you see? Isn’t the more likely answer that Zel1nk was gambitting / fake-claiming?

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Also holy damn, Michael Westen is a 100% Miller JOAT in Burn Notice. That must be a strange coincidence Oversoul.

So is your opinion that he’s making up the claim?

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Regarding Shotty’s claim

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I don’t buy it for a number of reasons.

1. Someone unknown to the general population has claimed a direct investigative role in the QT.
2. Shotty’s claiming something aka to SuperJOAT that makes absolutely NO sense in context of every other PR so far known in the game and Jason’s general Mod meta for role design.
3. Daycop / Tracker / QT investigative role? Very unlikely that everyone is telling the truth. In Superhero Mafia there was a Single Cop. At least one of Shotty / Junpei / Mystery Person is lying or scum with the role or both.

Nope, I, in a way, killed Pappums. I have more than just a cop ability. I have 4 abilities actually. Each of which can be used a max of 4 times, and only 3 times in a consecutive day/night phase.

So any particular ability can’t be used more than 3 times in consecutive Day / Night phases. Yet the following post

MoI- VT
Rainbow Dash- VT
Andrew- mafia neighborizer

I have a pending result on ZeL1inK, but Jason just picked up that PM so it shouldn't be long

This and later posts basically say you have used it 4 Day / Night phases in a row. Technically 3 plus pre-game but I'll get to that later.

Strike one.

Very true, I got one pre-game Role Cop shot, and I've used one each day. Last night I used one of my other abilities as well. More on this later.

Role Cops don’t generally return alignment just role. Tracker / Neighborizor / Vanilla.

Strike two

Use of an ability Pre-game? Especially given there was no N0 and both Neighborizors who could act during the Day didn't get a pre-game use of their powers.

Strike three.

Pre Game- Rainbow Dash(Cop)
D1- MoI(Cop)
D2- Andrew(Cop)
N2- Pappums(Made Guard)
D3- ZeLinK(Cop)

Also mafia had to have hit me.
Each night I can choose a person to guard me, so if I am NK'd they are NK'd, but the trick is if I choose to use that ability during the night and no one tries to kill me I get majorly fucked. If I use it and I'm not targeted then not only can I not use an ability for the next two days, but I can also never use that ability again.

1. RainbowDash wasn’t in the game Pre-game. He would have chosen Pvt Slate. I can understand identifying the slot but given the other players he has 'chosen' Pvt Slate makes NO sense as a target.
2. Note there is no mention of the fact that he would have had to have chosen vollkan N1 to be his guard. Yet per his own statement he should have not been able to use his abilities if he didn't. And if he did he would have claimed it at the same time as claiming the Pappums shot if he was telling the truth.
3. Why target Pappums for possible death? Why not an actual scum read of his like Silver? Makes no logical sense.

Strike four through whatever you like.

Lastly his ‘breadcrumb’ is hardly confirming evidence. Scum can and will crumb also. I’ve done it myself.

In summary? Shotty’s claim is a horribly executed fake-claim of some sort. Knowing what I know about the set-up I don’t buy for a second that Shotty has ANY CHANCE of being what he claimed.

More Shotty votes please!

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Actually the whole day cop thing makes sense. You didn't jump on andrew until we were well into D2.

My current take is it was a terribly managed bus that has exploded into the pile of crap we have seen today.

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Why am I still alive :/

You need to elaborate exactly what you mean with this.

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There are two town factions. I have no clue why.

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Um, whut in the hell is this?