The Mafia Dating Game Show 2 - Game over!

[StefanB]

Unvote: Vifam

Vote: FourseenCircumstances

David. I am kinda bored with this current game seeing there is nothing to go on to find scum at this point. Perhaps with a hammer on vifam well uncover more information

Is bad, very bad.

On other points: InternetStranger, you vote someone for a real life injury? Really. Okay you told us later, that you found him scum, but voted only after Vifam got on VLA. IGMOY, InternetStranger.

So the maxvoters: Why do you exspecially think he is scum, don't really see the case.

[hiplop]

OK I'm back.

AM NOT A LURKER Was just gone

STefanB is rubbing me the wrong way, sort of. Anyone else getting this? Its a very, very small gut read.. so i'm not willing to trust it

[TheLoneWolf]

I feel... so exposed....

[FourseenCircumstance]

why is this game so boring?

[TheLoneWolf]

There is no clear scum yet, or else I would be all over them already. So Vifam is close enough to being scum that he can still hang with minimal collateral damage. I will have a better idea of who the scum are with more certaintity tomorrow.

^This statement actually resonates with me, no one is being obvious scum yet. Which means scum are probably just lurking.

Unvote: Stranger

IS do you actually think Vifam is scum or just voting?
I don't get the Vezok votes either.

As for Thief - if you're gonna be lynching somebody for 'not caring who is lynched', Fourseen Circumstance is a better lynch.
Just look at the ISO. Sheeping the policy lynch on Lowell, voting me for seemingly no reason and voting TMC for 'opportunistic play'. That's rubbish, nothing about his play was opportunistic. When I point this out here, FC does'nt correct me or state why he thought it was opportunitic - he says nothing.

unvote MoS

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VOTE: Quilford

Why is CKD scum, Quilford?

^This also seems unlikely to come from scum. I was voting him, with no reasoning, but he wants to push Fourseen over myself (who was currently a hot seat candidate with him?)

Unvote: Maxous

[TheLoneWolf]

I am fine with being in the hot seat today, although it hurts my pride to be the policy wagon and not Lowell (which probably means Lowell is scum and his buddies are pushing me), I'm sure you're all very capable of analyzing my wagon.

Vote: FourseenCircumstance

The "this game is boooooooring" schtick is over the top and forced.

Vote: Xanatos

By far the scummiest vote on my wagon, combined with his odd comments earlier.

My only hot seat desire is to be up there with one of these two. I know two is asking too much (as Vifam's train has reached unstoppable velocities), so just put one of these up here with me so I can feel as if I accomplished something with my play this game.

[TheLoneWolf]

VOTE: Thief

Not caring who's lynched is as far from pro-town as I see it possible to be.

UNVOTE: Vifam
VOTE: Fourseen

He's either a sheeping alt or a troll, not even vaguely attempting reasoning with votes outside his RVS explanation of "not liking the way he used random.org"..
Whichever he is, frankly wouldn't mind seeing him gone.

My apathy at who is lynched is in line with Internet Stranger and others at this point who vote without reasoning.

He singles me out and comes up with this faulty logic to hop on my wagon. "As far from pro-town" is not only a hyberbole, it is also an admittance that I am merely acting anti-town, not scummy. Whether blatant bandwagonning is actually anti-town is a whole other discussion, but clearly Xanatos is trying to push it as a scumtell with both his votes. If ever called out on his reasoning later, he came claim the "oh I was just voting anti-town people" to feign his town mindset, even though that isn't real scumhunting at all.

I'd prefer him in the hotseat with me over Fourseen, because of his higher chance of flipping scum than Fourseen (who is just a liability at this point).

[FourseenCircumstance]

I will show you how I play when it comes time to deciding the dates.

[David Xanatos]

Actually, I think you'll find that a mindset of "not caring" is very scummy indeed. Scum have an interest only in not having themselves or their team wagoned, and apathy towards who else is lynched, especially in early days. And after all, you did imply you wanted me to be the Vicious to your Spike...

[mb53]

O_O

I managed to completely forget that I replaced into this game.

I'll catch up today.

[TheLoneWolf]

Actually, I think you'll find that a mindset of "not caring" is very scummy indeed. Scum have an interest only in not having themselves or their team wagoned, and apathy towards who else is lynched, especially in early days. And after all, you did imply you wanted me to be the Vicious to your Spike...

I do not find that. Scum care very much who are lynched, and do not show blatant apathy. They don't show a mindset of "I'll mislynch anyone," scum want to

mislynch people who will not make them look bad afterward.

For instance, you won't find any scum apathetically wagoning a clear townsperson like Amrun. You'll find them voting anti-town townies, such as myself, so that when they flip town they can always justify the lynch with "well they were being anti-town I regret nothing."

Oh wait.

That's what you're doing isn't it?

I see right through you Vicious.

Your intents are clear, you want to kill us all and take over this town.

[FourseenCircumstance]

So if I sacrifice myself as a pawn on the block will you guys promise that I am safe?

[StefanB]

Uhh, LoneWolf, no one who voted you, has stated this is a policity. Everone gave a reason for finding you scummy.
I kind of remember the first game. (Only read it)
Gandalf stated the same think, the he was the most decent player of the 3 nominated, completly ignoring that the players found him scummy. Guess what he was scum.
Also why has DavidXanatosvote for you worse reason than tclawren, who did not give any reason for voting you at all?

Hiplop: I will answer to it, when you have more than a small gutread.

[PeregrineV]

Can anyone tell me why my Quilford vote is misplaced?

Going with Maxous-town for now.

[hiplop]

VOTE: fourseen

PAWN STARS

[TheLoneWolf]

Tclaw's votes are consistent with his posts and his reads, and I have no problem with it.

Also since the "scumtell" people are using for me is false, (not caring who is lynched is not a scumtell) I assume most of the votes are for policy. Maybe that's just a projection of my own thoughts of how people would view my play, because no one should find it scummy (ideally, because I am town), so I assume the votes on me by misguided townies are for policy because they cannot read my play, not because they find it scummy.

You are using meta from the first game and a different player and trying to apply it here, as well as trying to deflect my suspicion onto Tclaw instead of Xanatos?

I understand your gutread now, Hiplop.

[David Xanatos]

It's day one. Scum can openly take an uncaring stance, and float their votes around based on no reasoning, in order to appear active. In addition, Scum do what they think Scum wouldn't do, if they were looking from a Town perspective, therefore singling yourself out as an "anti-town townie", to use your own words, would allow you to later fall back on that in defense when you're later called on lynching a pro-town player. In addition, it excuses the lack of potential NKs on you for the simple fact it could be explained as Scum not wasting shots on non-effective players.

FourseenCircumstance (7) teamsleep, Maxous, Lowell, David Xanatos, MasterofSin, StefanB, TheLoneWolf
Lowell (1) PeregrineV
mb53 (2) Forseen, vezo
Vifam (7) tclawren, Shotty, vezo, hiplop, Amrun, Internet Stranger, Lowell
TheLoneWolf (7) teamsleep, hiplop, StefanB, Internet Stranger, tclawren, David Xanatos, MasterofSin
MasterofSin (1) Shotty
Vezo (1) mb53
Amrun (1) vifam
CKD (1) vifam
Maxous (4) Amrun, Foreseen, Quilford, CKD
David X (2) Quilford, TheLoneWolf
Quilford (2) PeregrineV, Maxous

Not voting the groove:

CKD (x 1) , mb53 (X 1)


With 19 alive it will take 10 to have a person in the hot seat and the 2 top along with that person.
Deadline: August 25, 6:10pm PST

Hiplop, I didn't count your vote since you didn't specify which you were unvoting..

[TheLoneWolf]

You've apparently thought about this "optimal scum strategy" a lot more than I have, Xanatos.

I wonder why that could be....

[tclawren]

UNVOTE: the lone wolf
VOTE: FC

need to read the last few pages more in depth (like when I'm not at work.)

But the lone wolf looks very town now.
FC gets his spot now.

[David Xanatos]

Because the best way to catch Scum is to think about what a logical Scum path would be, and see who wanders into those lines. Better than flailing around just because it's Day 1.

[StefanB]

Yes I am using the "I am a policity"excuse to weaken the case for you, as scummy.
Not caring may not be a wikiscumtell, but I find it typical for scum.
And yeah I am asking why you atack one player and not the other. Thought could be interesting to know, if you flip scum.
DavidXanatos: And taking this idea, who would be your third scumread?

[David Xanatos]

Vifam. This isn't from my "thinking out the path" school of thought.. this is from having played with Vifam a little before, and her play here seeming quite off. The fact there are others echoing this sentiment only reinforces my thought that either she's trying a new playstyle (unlikely in my mind), or she's Scum..

[Maxous]

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What is missing?

@DX: Vifam is playing different how?

[David Xanatos]

In my experience, and from what I've seen from games I've read with Vifam that I wasn't directly a part of, Vifam isn't quite so confrontational and aggressive. That's why I'm not sure if this is simply an attempt at a new playstyle or being Scum, but I'm inclined to the latter.

[Vifam]

Alright, gained enough strength to become more active, cool.


Catching up, but I don't think much has changed.