Mafia 137 - Neruzian Era Mafia SERIAL KILLER WIN!

[Neruz]

edmund.angles ( 4 ) -

David Xanatos, Maxous, vezokpiraka, pappums rat

Maxous ( 4 ) -

GreyICE, Zdenek, warriormode, malpascp, HezLucky

Pappum's Rat ( 1 ) -

zMuffinMan

mastin2 ( 1 ) -

sorgster

Empking ( 1 ) -

mastin2

vezokpiraka ( 1 ) -

Empking

10 Votes to Lynch

Deadline in (expired on 2011-09-03 08:00:00)

[Empking]

Empking, why is Maxous on your no lynch list for today?

He wasn't on either wagon.

And why does that exempt him from being lynched?

Because scum would've got on one of the wagons.

[warriormode]

Empking, why is Maxous on your no lynch list for today?

He wasn't on either wagon.

And why does that exempt him from being lynched?

Because scum would've got on one of the wagons.

I disagree. Maxous was on the hiplop wagon the entire day up until hiplop's reaction to being lynched. and Toon Fighter was scum so it makes complete sense that he was not on that wagon.

[Empking]

Empking, why is Maxous on your no lynch list for today?

He wasn't on either wagon.

And why does that exempt him from being lynched?

Because scum would've got on one of the wagons.

I disagree. Maxous was on the hiplop wagon the entire day up until hiplop's reaction to being lynched. and Toon Fighter was scum so it makes complete sense that he was not on that wagon.

I'm willing to work on the presumption for today that scum would've distanced or protected.

QUOTE PYRAMID GO!

[edmund.angles]

Edmund - do you think actually think Mastin is scum? Y/N

Null-read, leaning scum. His attitude towards No Lynch at deadline was scumvenient.

@Maxous: What are your top scum reads?

[HezLucky]

yo greyice whats ur read on hiraki? i had a scumread on him in like the first 10 pages of the game and now he's disappeared

[mastin2]

Unless you've got a way to explain a scum power robbing a scum player of their vote...

Well, could be a town power. Always that possibility.

Any town day power (with the possible exception of dayvig--depends on who they target ) is claimed immediately.

If someone fails to claim the power, it's therefore a scum power.

Common knowledge, really.

[GreyICE]

Unless you've got a way to explain a scum power robbing a scum player of their vote...

Well, could be a town power. Always that possibility.

Any town day power (with the possible exception of dayvig--depends on who they target ) is claimed immediately.

If someone fails to claim the power, it's therefore a scum power.

Common knowledge, really.

This knowledge, I think it is not so common.

Why do town PRs go outing themselves?

[sorgster]

Unless you've got a way to explain a scum power robbing a scum player of their vote...

Well, could be a town power. Always that possibility.

Any town day power (with the possible exception of dayvig--depends on who they target ) is claimed immediately.

If someone fails to claim the power, it's therefore a scum power.

Common knowledge, really.

If they claim and are a townpower, then they would be killed in the night. Also, if it was a scum day power, they would have used it on edmund easily to make him seem not scum and help their fellow scum survive.

[Empking]

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[mastin2]

No, Sorgster.
If they claim and are a town-power, they're made suspicious because it's an inheritently scummy ability. (Vote manipulation is FAR stronger as a scum ability than as a town ability.) Scum'd never nightkill someone like that.

If they don't claim, it's synonymous with it being labelled scum power automatically.

[Empking]

I 'ighly doubt its a town power.

[GreyICE]

No, Sorgster.
If they claim and are a town-power, they're made suspicious because it's an inheritently scummy ability. (Vote manipulation is FAR stronger as a scum ability than as a town ability.) Scum'd never nightkill someone like that.

If they don't claim, it's synonymous with it being labelled scum power automatically.

Yeah, I'm going to come out against the idea that town power roles should be claiming if they don't want to, thanks.

[sorgster]

No, Sorgster.
If they claim and are a town-power, they're made suspicious because it's an inheritently scummy ability. (Vote manipulation is FAR stronger as a scum ability than as a town ability.) Scum'd never nightkill someone like that.

If they don't claim, it's synonymous with it being labelled scum power automatically.

If it is a daypower, then could it not be scum using it on scum to make scum seem innocent?

[chkflip]

A little late to the party, sorry about that. I'll catch up with something spiffy tonight for sure.

[CSL]

I'm getting ready for bed, so quick post here.

Cases on edmund and Maxous from those who believe that either one, or both, are scum. And it better not be from mastin.

And, if you'd like, summarize the cases instead.

[Zdenek]

He wasn't on either wagon.

Since there's the scum tactic of avoiding major wagons, I don't care about this.

Cases on edmund and Maxous from those who believe that either one, or both, are scum. And it better not be from mastin.

My ISO 1, GreyICE's early posts from day two.

[CSL]

Vote: Maxous

HoS: edmund

Both are really scummy as fuck. I like Zdenek's case on Maxous, and Grey's post about edmund being on a 3-vote wagon telling him and two others to get off of toon fighter is :goodposting:

[chkflip]

Alright, caught up on the happs of today. If I had to choose between Max and edmund I'd probably choose edmund, but I'm probably not going to wagon-hop at all today. I want to make up for my awfully awful and lazy play at the end of yesterday. I think I can speak for more than myself when I say that it was dragging into the "omgarewereallyseriouslystillonD1" phase and I just wanted to get solid reactions from people. Some will see this as a cop out, but honestly I feel as if my reads are stronger due to my poor town play here. Solid reads forthcoming.

[Maxous]

@Maxous: What are your top scum reads?

Edmund, Empking, Malpascp, HezLucky, SomeRandomGuy to varying degrees.

If someone fails to claim the power, it's therefore a scum power.

I disagree.
But if the power came from a town player it would be useful if they said so, so we could clarify. Because who gives a shit if a vote-stealer dies?
Otherwise yeah, it looks less likely Edmund is scum.

Since there's the scum tactic of avoiding major wagons, I don't care about this.

Huh? What about Day 1 gave you the idea I would rather avoid 'major wagons'?

and Grey's post about edmund being on a 3-vote wagon telling him and two others to get off of toon fighter is :goodposting:

You know, you could of least

pretended

to of read Edmund's rebuttal.

[GreyICE]

Okay, scum is mechanics whining now. Five more on max thx

[HezLucky]

@Maxous: What are your top scum reads?

Edmund, Empking, Malpascp, HezLucky, SomeRandomGuy to varying degrees.

Refusal to read the game does not make me scum, it makes me a bad replacer.

Try again.

[zMuffinMan]

GI. How many scum do you think are left? I'd guess 3 (prob 3 mafia or 2 mafia + 1 SK - 16:5 or 16:4:1 probably).

How confident are you that maxous is one of those scum? Suppose he isn't scum, who's scum and why?

Pappums, malp, Hiraki, nanook(formerly SRG) <- any of those would be a good bet for hitting scum, I think. Not maxous. Not edmund.

[zMuffinMan]

Wait.

You get informed when your vote is stolen? And no one had their vote stolen D1, right?

[zMuffinMan]

Someone wanna make a bet with me?

Vote stealer is one of the D1 lurkers.