Mini 1211: Murder in Sicily [Over]

[Whiskers]

Hm.
Let's let everyone else give their opinions first, I still think it's a good idea, even with that risk.

[preedit]
No, iamusername, because we need Maruchan to jailkeep Link. Why? So that we can confirm Maruchan. We're trading a cop investigation for a confirmed Jailkeeper. That's fucking gold. With that knowledge, it's a town fucking win. You need to stop fighting it. It is necessary that it will happen.

Also, I'll check the blacklist.

[Hikari Link]

I agree with iamausername. I think this is a perfect time for a wifom JK choice. Although personally if xvart flips scum, I'd try and jail whoever I thought the last scum was for the perfect game chance

I liek this, and I had honestly thought about WIFOMing being on Hiraki, back when he still trusted me.

Back when he still thought I was town and suggested the whole "doc and maruchan on me".

I figured I'd jail who I thought last scum was

, since everyone would think I was on him, then he could get a free report, and I could jail a possible killer.

Right fucking there in the bold. What else you got?

Read the quote inside your quote.

I was talking to someone, and therefore in said situation, continues with the situation already created FOR me(not by me).

Scuhunter was making a scenario, with only one scum left. I therefore replied, TO SAID SCENARIO, in which there is only one scum left.

If you want to yell at someone for 3 instead of 4, go to scumhunter. not me. kaithnxbaigurl.

Ob-fucking-jection!!!! Your statement clearly says you had been considering it before I had declared my suspicion of you. Who's lying now, bro?

Hikari Link, you look fucking BAAAD right now to me. You seem to want Maruchan to die no matter what. Lynch him over near-conf-scum? Fine with you. Put him in a position where he will without a doubt be nightkilled? Sure!

If it's between him or me, it's going to be me every time, since I know for a fact my role and I don't know his.

Look. HEre we are. Lynch xvart. If townflip, then Doc on Hikari Link, JK on Hikari Link. If flip scum, Doc on Maruchan, JK on Hikari Link.

I'm willing to accept this, as long as everyone agrees to lynch Maruchan no matter what if I'm killed during the night or if I get a report. No amount of arguing can be allowed to overturn this.

[iamausername]

How is Maruchan going to be confirmed, anyway? Because Link will be blocked? That could be a scum roleblocker. Or a scum jailkeeper, indeed.

As far as I'm concerned, a scum flip on xvart is all the confirmation I need, and demanding that he jail Link is just not making use of the power we've been given. There are plenty of other people I would prefer to have confirmed than someone who is obviously town already.

[Hikari Link]

How is Maruchan going to be confirmed, anyway? Because Link will be blocked? That could be a scum roleblocker. Or a scum jailkeeper, indeed.

As far as I'm concerned, a scum flip on xvart is all the confirmation I need, and demanding that he jail Link is just not making use of the power we've been given. There are plenty of other people I would prefer to have confirmed than someone who is obviously town already.

It's too bad I suspect him though, so it's pretty likely that I'd investigate him anyway if he wasn't guaranteed to target me..

[Whiskers]

Mafia Tracker (sees who target visited), Follower (sees action target performed), Roleblocker, Godfather, I think these are all very possible. Framer is also possible, but I don't like it and don't think it would be included-- but that's personal opinion. Aslo, Mafia role-cop comes free with Newbie Meal purchase, why not here?

Also, let's be wary of Millers, as it is as likely there are millers as there are Godfathers.
Macho-variants also possible, but unlikely.

[PreEdit]
iamusername: Both are possible. We have to do the best we can.

However, if MAruchan is a powerrole and scum, we probably have another powerrole, perhaps a doc after all?

iamusername, Maruchan and Hikari Link have too much suspicion on each other. We may as well confirm one. We aren't using the Powers to the best of our ability, but if it will make them both feel more at ease, I say let's go with it. We have at least two out of Some scum. We easily winning. Worst case scenario, we thin the herd a little here. (Actually, worst case scenario JK gets nightkilled and there is no doc.) Best case, a townie gets confirmed. Actually, BEST case, A scum gets confirmed.

That's why you, Hikari Link, need to Cop somepony else. If you don't get roleblocked, (while it's POSSIBLE that Maruchan was roleblocked himself), then you still get a result and we lynch Maruchan. If you get NKed instead, it isn't any worse than if you got NKed and did an investigation on Maruchan. The roleblock will clear Maruchan enough anyway.

If you investigate and

are not roleblocked and do not die

, you get double win (we have your investigation, plus we lynch Maruchan.). if You investigate and

are not roleblocked but do die

, Town gets a single win for lynching Maru. If you investigate but

ARE roleblocked, and do NOT die

, you get a single win and we have cleared Maruchan.

[Whiskers]

It's too bad I suspect him though, so it's pretty likely that I'd investigate him anyway if he wasn't guaranteed to target me..

Right, so investigate somepony else. It can only benefit you.

[Hikari Link]

It's too bad I suspect him though, so it's pretty likely that I'd investigate him anyway if he wasn't guaranteed to target me..

Right, so investigate somepony else. It can only benefit you.

You diidn't need to tell me that. I was explicitly referring to iamusername's proposed scenario. In a situation where Maruchan has given his word he will jail me, I'm willing to investigate anybody else.

[Whiskers]

Maruchan has given his word.

You both agree to my plan where Maruchan blocks you, and the Doc protects one of you based on Xvart's flip.
So let's lynch xvart, and move along.

Link, what do you think about negative utility roles claiming?
iamusername, you mentioned about it, but didn't answer the question, what do you think about negative utility roles claiming?

[Maruchan]

P.S. pretty sure Beloved Princess and PGO are both on the Normal blacklist.

thus proving that I don't know everything.

They're highly unlikely, but apparently not impossible.

This is why nobody has ever voted for you yet so far this game. You can admit you're wrong.

[Maruchan]

Mafia Tracker (sees who target visited), Follower (sees action target performed), Roleblocker, Godfather, I think these are all very possible. Framer is also possible, but I don't like it and don't think it would be included-- but that's personal opinion. Aslo, Mafia role-cop comes free with Newbie Meal purchase, why not here?

Also, let's be wary of Millers, as it is as likely there are millers as there are Godfathers.
Macho-variants also possible, but unlikely.

[PreEdit]
iamusername: Both are possible. We have to do the best we can.

However, if MAruchan is a powerrole and scum, we probably have another powerrole, perhaps a doc after all?

iamusername, Maruchan and Hikari Link have too much suspicion on each other. We may as well confirm one. We aren't using the Powers to the best of our ability, but if it will make them both feel more at ease, I say let's go with it. We have at least two out of Some scum. We easily winning. Worst case scenario, we thin the herd a little here. (Actually, worst case scenario JK gets nightkilled and there is no doc.) Best case, a townie gets confirmed. Actually, BEST case, A scum gets confirmed.

That's why you, Hikari Link, need to Cop somepony else. If you don't get roleblocked, (while it's POSSIBLE that Maruchan was roleblocked himself), then you still get a result and we lynch Maruchan. If you get NKed instead, it isn't any worse than if you got NKed and did an investigation on Maruchan. The roleblock will clear Maruchan enough anyway.

If you investigate and

are not roleblocked and do not die

, you get double win (we have your investigation, plus we lynch Maruchan.). if You investigate and

are not roleblocked but do die

, Town gets a single win for lynching Maru. If you investigate but

ARE roleblocked, and do NOT die

, you get a single win and we have cleared Maruchan.

I felt perfectly at ease until Link quit being smart this game

[monk]

1. Panacea

2. Hikari Link

LTP Mafia

Cop Claim

3. Maruchan

crappy

Jailkeeper Claim

4. Scumhunter

6. Substrike22

VT Claim

7. Noramp

8. monk

Innocent Result from Link

9. Tovarish

10. Friend

11. iamausername

12. Whiskers

13. Xvart

MusicNinja

cloudocean

VT Claim

Considering that we also have a flipped goon and going on our group of players, I think it is highly unlikely that there are anti-roles considering they're roles that people generally claim straight up, though if I'm wrong please, please do claim. Our non-claim pool goes to

1. Panacea

4. Scumhunter

7. Noramp

9. Tovarish

10. Friend

11. iamausername

12. Whiskers

If all the claims so far are to be held as true ones then we likely have two scum in this group, five townies left then. Not claiming Miller or PGO is incredibly antitown. From this list these peeps have decided to fly under the radar today:
Panacea, Tovarish, Friend
If xvart flips scum I think it's likely that any of the three above are scum. Friend is least likely as he basically bussed both of his partners then. Tovarish and Panacea I'm not too sure about I'll have a look a bit later.

However I think it's more likely that xvart will flip VT.

[Friend]

I'm VLA. Not really under-the-radar

[iamausername]

iamusername, you mentioned about it, but didn't answer the question, what do you think about negative utility roles claiming?

In the unlikely event that they exist, they should have done this in their first post.

[Maruchan]

The two in VLA (Panacea and friend) went VLA before any of this claiming drama began, they aren't under the radar

Although Friend, if you're VLA how do you reply to posts concerning you being scum so quickly?

[Hikari Link]

Maruchan has given his word.

You both agree to my plan where Maruchan blocks you, and the Doc protects one of you based on Xvart's flip.
So let's lynch xvart, and move along.

Link, what do you think about negative utility roles claiming?
iamusername, you mentioned about it, but didn't answer the question, what do you think about negative utility roles claiming?

I don't think it necessary. As iamusernane pointed out, it's just a way for scum to hide.

Mafia Tracker (sees who target visited), Follower (sees action target performed), Roleblocker, Godfather, I think these are all very possible. Framer is also possible, but I don't like it and don't think it would be included-- but that's personal opinion. Aslo, Mafia role-cop comes free with Newbie Meal purchase, why not here?

Also, let's be wary of Millers, as it is as likely there are millers as there are Godfathers.
Macho-variants also possible, but unlikely.

[PreEdit]
iamusername: Both are possible. We have to do the best we can.

However, if MAruchan is a powerrole and scum, we probably have another powerrole, perhaps a doc after all?

iamusername, Maruchan and Hikari Link have too much suspicion on each other. We may as well confirm one. We aren't using the Powers to the best of our ability, but if it will make them both feel more at ease, I say let's go with it. We have at least two out of Some scum. We easily winning. Worst case scenario, we thin the herd a little here. (Actually, worst case scenario JK gets nightkilled and there is no doc.) Best case, a townie gets confirmed. Actually, BEST case, A scum gets confirmed.

That's why you, Hikari Link, need to Cop somepony else. If you don't get roleblocked, (while it's POSSIBLE that Maruchan was roleblocked himself), then you still get a result and we lynch Maruchan. If you get NKed instead, it isn't any worse than if you got NKed and did an investigation on Maruchan. The roleblock will clear Maruchan enough anyway.

If you investigate and

are not roleblocked and do not die

, you get double win (we have your investigation, plus we lynch Maruchan.). if You investigate and

are not roleblocked but do die

, Town gets a single win for lynching Maru. If you investigate but

ARE roleblocked, and do NOT die

, you get a single win and we have cleared Maruchan.

I felt perfectly at ease until Link quit being smart this game

More like you started looking scummy. Doesn't help that you are calling me scummy when I've done nothing scummy the entire game. I always get suspicious when things start going too well.

[Whiskers]

We have a perfect game going, let's not ruin it with hot supertown vs supertown action.

Link, we have the plan to get Maruchan checked out. The only flaw in it is that scum blocker might block him and he'd seem to be scum. He seems to be okay with that.
Move the fuck on. If he's scum, we'll know tonight.
Link who are your other reads?

@Maruchan: V/LA means "Vacation/LimitedAccess". He has Limited Access, which is not no access, and therefore can reply.

@Friend: Since you can reply, Should negative utility roles claim or not?

[Whiskers]

EBWOP:
*hot town-on-town action.
[/fluff]

[Noramp]

If maru Jked Xvart and xvart isnt scum then that means mafia didn't send in any NK which would be really weird but would probably suggest our remaining scum are probably hard lurkers which we don't really have other than Tovarish or we have a doc which seems unlikely at this point. I think we should lynch Xvart today and that can confirm whether or not Maru is really the JK. And personally I believe that a cop is way more important that a JK and therefore if we are lucky enough to have a doc they should target link and leave maru to his own devices sorry maru but with assured cop it is only a matter of time until town wins.

[Hikari Link]

Link, we have the plan to get Maruchan checked out. The only flaw in it is that scum blocker might block him and he'd seem to be scum. He seems to be okay with that.
Move the fuck on. If he's scum, we'll know tonight.

Don't act like I'm the one not letting things go. Maruchan's the one who said I wasn't playing smart after I had already agreed to the plan.

Link who are your other reads?

You have my reads from yesterday when I claimed. Aside from Maruchan and monk, they haven't really changed much.

If maru Jked Xvart and xvart isnt scum then that means mafia didn't send in any NK

Or they targeted xvart.

[Whiskers]

Way to follow-the-cop, Noramp. If we have both a JK AND a cop, obviously, JK should protect cop tonight. Doc protect cop all other times, sure.

Anyway, your first statement is false:

If maru Jked Xvart and xvart isnt scum then

that means mafia didn't send in any NK

which would be really weird but would probably suggest our remaining scum are probably hard lurkers which we don't really have other than Tovarish or we have a doc which seems unlikely at this point.

At least, some of it is. Bolded for emphasis.

No. It means mafia didn't send in any NK, or we have a doc, or xvart really WAS the scum target.
Also, if you believe Link, Maru may not have JKed xvart at all, therefore your scenarios of "No NK, doc, or scum xvart" are all equally unlikely.

[Whiskers]

So, Owlbear, Negative Utility roles: Claim or no?

[Maruchan]

Maruchan has given his word.

You both agree to my plan where Maruchan blocks you, and the Doc protects one of you based on Xvart's flip.
So let's lynch xvart, and move along.

Link, what do you think about negative utility roles claiming?
iamusername, you mentioned about it, but didn't answer the question, what do you think about negative utility roles claiming?

I don't think it necessary. As

iamusernane

pointed out, it's just a way for scum to hide.

Maruchan

[Maruchan]

If maru Jked Xvart and xvart isnt scum then that means mafia didn't send in any NK which would be really weird but would probably suggest our remaining scum are probably hard lurkers which we don't really have other than Tovarish or we have a doc which seems unlikely at this point. I think we should lynch Xvart today and that can confirm whether or not Maru is really the JK. And personally I believe that a cop is way more important that a JK and therefore if we are lucky enough to have a doc they should target link and leave maru to his own devices sorry maru but with assured cop it is only a matter of time until town wins.

Repeat of 2 pages ago:

Point2post where Link b confurmed

[Maruchan]

So, Owlbear, Negative Utility roles: Claim or no?

no

[Hikari Link]

Maruchan has given his word.

You both agree to my plan where Maruchan blocks you, and the Doc protects one of you based on Xvart's flip.
So let's lynch xvart, and move along.

Link, what do you think about negative utility roles claiming?
iamusername, you mentioned about it, but didn't answer the question, what do you think about negative utility roles claiming?

I don't think it necessary. As

iamusernane

pointed out, it's just a way for scum to hide.

Maruchan

Quite right. My mistake.