Brightest Day Mafia, Part 1 - GAME OVER

[Nikanor]

MC = GhostWriter x_x'

I can see how you'd make that mistake. The keys are right next to each other.

I would be completely happy with the mafia shooting me tonight. With gusto, I invite the mafia to blast me into oblivion this very night!

I know I've done things like that before as scum but I got yelled at and people acted like they'd never do that as scum (during a 5-player kill the godfather game).

Oh come on that was funny.

[Blackberry]

There's too many people and I forgot who was racking up the votes (I called him WLC earlier, then I called him lynchee at one point cuz I was too lazy to look up his name). All I was thinking is "this guy is going to get lynched way too easily, he is defintely not cult recruiter because barely anyone is putting up a fight or trying to pile on someone else."

When I'm in my thoughts typing them I don't care to interupt my thoughts to double-check names ... my bad. XD

[Mr Subliminal]

Nikanor is 100% not cult recruiter or scum.

Blackberry, what are you smoking?

[Nikanor]

So berry, I'm confused as to what you're trying to do here.
You're suggesting that GW is a terrible lynch, but you're not trying to form a counter-wagon. You're throwing out weak "THIS GUY MIGHT BE A RECRUIT" accusations against a half-dozen people in a way that is reminiscent of flailing. Why are you doing this? It looks like you're just trying to get rid of the GW wagon. Is this true?

[Blackberry]

I do not think GW has done anything CR-like and I would prefer to go after CR. If GW is mafia he can wait is my opinion.

I have been told twice before that I look like "I'm flailing", both in which I was town. It's just how my playstyle comes off because when I'm town I'm not afraid to speak all my thoughts. I don't care if I look scummy, because I know i'm being sincere and genuine with my thoughts and I know good players will be able to read my genuineness. Plus I don't think half my ideas are bad.

Tans can probably confirm I acted very similarly in Dexter and by the end of Dexter I knew exactly who the remaining mafia were (and I was one of the few who didn't want to lynch tans cuz I could tell tans wasn't scummy). This is my playstyle.

[Mr Subliminal]

I'm all about you speaking your thoughts. More power to you.

But some

most

of your thoughts so far are just *bad*. Saying hiplop culted Friend is just *bad*. Saying that Nikanor is the recruiter is *bad*. Amending that to saying that Nikanor should be shot is just *bad*.

You don't think Ghostwriter is cult recruiter. That's fine. It's a nice safe position to take because it's also statistically likely to be correct. I mean, you could say that about everyone and you'd only be wrong once.

But then who do you think is the recruiter? So far you've only listed two people who absolutely cannot be it.

[Blackberry]

Why is Nikanor absolutely NOT CR?

Why is hiplop not CR?

I think Mr. S is a good lynch, you're already messed up and reveald you're either cult-related or mafia.

...

CR isn't going to be someone that's lurking or being lazy. They want to fit in very much and will be doing whatever they can to scumhunt and avoid both being lynched and nightkilled. Finding who was likely cult recruit is a good starting point, because then we can examine how that person is acting towards particular people. Likely cult recrults are active and townish-like.

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I'm not taking the stance on GW because I want to say "Oh look I'm right I'm better than yall," I am taking the stance because I don't want to lynch someone who isn't CR -- when the scenario indicates he isn't the CR because his recruit isn't doing anything to help him, I am going to try to avoid his lynch.

MR. S - who do YOU think is CR?

[Mr Subliminal]

Why is Nikanor absolutely NOT CR?

Why is hiplop not CR?

Because

I

we know how to read a thread.

I think Mr. S is a good lynch, you're already messed up and reveald you're either cult-related or mafia.

This would have 300000000000x more weight behind it if you were voting us.

Which you're not.

CR isn't going to be someone that's lurking or being lazy. They want to fit in very much and will be doing whatever they can to scumhunt and avoid both being lynched and nightkilled.

Exact same reasoning applies to scum in a multiscum setup. And yet we get lurking and lazy scum in a multiscum setup. So there is an obvious problem with your assumptions because they are contra-indicated by actual experience.

Finding who was likely cult recruit is a good starting point, because then we can examine how that person is acting towards particular people. Likely cult recrults are active and townish-like.

And there's, barring weird mechanics, at this point *1* of them. So, no, finding who was a likely cult recruit is a *bad* starting spot, because there's *lots* of people who are good cult recruits, but only *1* of them actually is. Which is the same as the number of people who are cult recruiter. Who could *also* be scum even if they're not the recruiter. And the pool of *possible* cult recruiters is smaller. Etc. Etc.

It's like you're not really thinking through these things that you're saying.

I'm not taking the stance on GW because I want to say "Oh look I'm right I'm better than yall," I am taking the stance because I don't want to lynch someone who isn't CR -- when the scenario indicates he isn't the CR because his recruit isn't doing anything to help him, I am going to try to avoid his lynch.

"Avoiding" someone's lynch isn't productive. You're not offering up a viable alternative -- you're not even giving "Mr Subliminal is cult recruiter" more than lip service -- so you are entirely dead weight.

MR. S - who do YOU think is CR?

My personal (not shared) list:

Kast
Ghostwriter
WeyounsLastClone
Andrius
PeregrineV

99.8% that the recruiter is in that list above.

Other head has some suspicion of ToastyToast and Oversoul. I do not share these suspicions.

[Kast]

vote: bb

[Blackberry]

vote: bb

Ummm, do you have a reason for voting me or are you just an idiot?

[tanstalas]

Mr. S. Unless I was misdirected Andy CANNOT be the CR. I have said this before. Please pay attention. I am almost 100% he is not CR. Mafia maybe but not CR.

[Nikanor]

Just so y'all know, I'm currently laughing at the bumpkins who believe that Andy, muffinz and Toasty are all town.
JUST SAYIN', Y'KNOW, THAT TOWN PROBABLY DOESN'T HAVE THREE BLOCKING ROLES.

[Blackberry]

Just so y'all know, I'm currently laughing at the bumpkins who believe that Andy, muffinz and Toasty are all town.
JUST SAYIN', Y'KNOW, THAT TOWN PROBABLY DOESN'T HAVE THREE BLOCKING ROLES.

This made me think of something... who the f**k uses their JAILKEEP on a COP-claim?

With such a large theme, I think it's obvious (at least to me) to assume there's probably also a DOCTOR. Why not let the Doctor protect the Cop. If you use your ability to block the cop you're making the cop (in this case Nikanor) useless anyways. So I repeat, who the hell would use a JAILKEEP ability on a claimed cop when (in my opinion) there is without a doubt probably a doctor anyways.

...

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Someone correct me if they think it's common play for a jailkeeper to protect a cop-claim, especially when the chances of there also being a doctor are high.

[Blackberry]

Reading Toasty's post he actually sounds genuine... so... I think I take that back though the question still stands. But I guess Nikanor's claim of Day Copish thing was weird so I need to hear Toasty's logic more in-depth.

[Nikanor]

Speaking of Toasty being scum, I just realized something.

I FUCKING JAILKEPT Nikanor last night
That means
1) He couldn't have gotten a result on me

I also figured that, if town, you wouldn't have any more additional powers. The "cop" thing happened in the day, and you lost your bulletproof. In my mind I was essentially giving you back bulletproof status.

Post 1: At the time of Toasty's claim on early d2, Toasty claims that I couldn't have had a guilty on him because he blocked me AT NIGHT.
Post 2: Toasty claims that he blocked me n1 because he didn't think that I would have any abilities in addition to DAYcop.

If Post 1 is honest, Post 2 is false. If Post 2 is true, Post 1 is dishonest. This is what I call a CONTRADICTION, and it makes Toasty 100% confirmed scum.
I thank all of you in advance for your votes on the Toasty wagon tomorrow.
As for the people who called me stoopid for my fake guilty on Toasty... well, I guess a hater is going to hate. The haters will be forgiven provided they vote for Toasty tomorrow.

[Nikanor]

For those of you who still don't understand why Toasty claimed jailkeeper so early, I will iterate once again that Toasty panicked. Realizing that a guilty cop result means a 1 on 1 for the day, he did what any scum would do and tried to get the cop lynched first.
Unfortunately he forgot that I am an unethical townie who likes to fakeclaim day cop.

[Blackberry]

Speaking of Toasty being scum, I just realized something.

I FUCKING JAILKEPT Nikanor last night
That means
1) He couldn't have gotten a result on me

I also figured that, if town, you wouldn't have any more additional powers. The "cop" thing happened in the day, and you lost your bulletproof. In my mind I was essentially giving you back bulletproof status.

Post 1: At the time of Toasty's claim on early d2, Toasty claims that I couldn't have had a guilty on him because he blocked me AT NIGHT.
Post 2: Toasty claims that he blocked me n1 because he didn't think that I would have any abilities in addition to DAYcop.

If Post 1 is honest, Post 2 is false. If Post 2 is true, Post 1 is dishonest. This is what I call a CONTRADICTION, and it makes Toasty 100% confirmed scum.
I thank all of you in advance for your votes on the Toasty wagon tomorrow.
As for the people who called me stoopid for my fake guilty on Toasty... well, I guess a hater is going to hate. The haters will be forgiven provided they vote for Toasty tomorrow.

I'm having a bit of trouble understanding the contradiction... ?

[Blackberry]

One thing to add to Toasty seeming genuine is the fact if he was SCUM he wouldn't roleblock a DAYCOP, because it's a DAYCOP, not a night cop and wouldn't make sense to roleblock.

But he could always not be a roleblocker or lying in general. I am under the notion a roleblocking scum would be honest about a target, etc., etc...

[ToastyToast]

If you claimed a cop read on me, I obviously would be wrong about you not having a power *facepalm*
I claimed jailkeeper because your result would have been impossible to get. Common sense. If someone claims something that CANT HAPPEN, they are LYING ABOUT IT. LYING IS SCUMMY EVERYTIME.

So no, you are using the basic fallacy of a false conclusion, putting two points together and saying that it means I am contradicting myself.
I claimed because you lied about a result. It does not change the fact that

THE NIGHT in which I sent my night action

, I could not have known that you would try to pull the shitty gambit.

@Blackberry: Not only am I not aware if there was a doctor in the game, I also found Nikanor the most suspicious out of the "claimed masons who aren't actually masons" group. Note my "hmm cult recruiter" stuff that I now know is impossible

Guess what? PEOPLE CAN HAVE MORE THAN ONE REASON FOR PLACING AN ACTION.
I had three reasons for jailkeeping you
1) If town, you were a likely NK target
2) Of all the "claimed grp," I doubt that you would have an additional power
3) If cult, you wouldn't be able to recruit

The fact that you lied about an investigation result which forced me to claim in order to expose the fact that YOU LIED-- WHICH I ALWAYS CONSIDER SCUMMY--NOT TO MENTION THAT I HATE GAMBITS--acts independently of my night actions because I could not know in advance what you were planning to do the following day. Think a little more plz.

[Blackberry]

If you claimed a cop read on me, I obviously would be wrong about you not having a power *facepalm*
I claimed jailkeeper because your result would have been impossible to get. Common sense. If someone claims something that CANT HAPPEN, they are LYING ABOUT IT. LYING IS SCUMMY EVERYTIME.

So no, you are using the basic fallacy of a false conclusion, putting two points together and saying that it means I am contradicting myself.
I claimed because you lied about a result. It does not change the fact that

THE NIGHT in which I sent my night action

, I could not have known that you would try to pull the shitty gambit.

@Blackberry: Not only am I not aware if there was a doctor in the game, I also found Nikanor the most suspicious out of the "claimed masons who aren't actually masons" group. Note my "hmm cult recruiter" stuff that I now know is impossible

Guess what? PEOPLE CAN HAVE MORE THAN ONE REASON FOR PLACING AN ACTION.
I had three reasons for jailkeeping you
1) If town, you were a likely NK target
2) Of all the "claimed grp," I doubt that you would have an additional power
3) If cult, you wouldn't be able to recruit

The fact that you lied about an investigation result which forced me to claim in order to expose the fact that YOU LIED-- WHICH I ALWAYS CONSIDER SCUMMY--NOT TO MENTION THAT I HATE GAMBITS--acts independently of my night actions because I could not know in advance what you were planning to do the following day. Think a little more plz.

I agree that multiple roleblockers seems fishy Nikanor.

However, Toasty is leaking genuinity. He is town X_x.

[ToastyToast]

I agree that multiple roleblockers seems fishy Nikanor.

Even I agree with this, but Andrius is the odd one out.

[Nikanor]

One thing to add to Toasty seeming genuine is the fact if he was SCUM he wouldn't roleblock a DAYCOP, because it's a DAYCOP, not a night cop and wouldn't make sense to roleblock.

But he could always not be a roleblocker or lying in general. I am under the notion a roleblocking scum would be honest about a target, etc., etc...

The contradiction is easier to understand when you realize that I didn't say anything about getting a result at night. Toasty role-claimed to put himself into a 1 on 1 with me (he was under the impression that he was already in a 1 on 1 with me, due to my guilty result) even though he thought that I was a day cop. He claimed that I could not have had a result on him to make me look bad and to make him look better.

If he were town who jk'd me because he thought I was a day cop, he would have assumed that I got my 'result' on him during the day, not at night.

Instead, he claimed that I could not have possibly gotten a result on him because he blocked me at night, when there was no reason to think that I was a night cop instead of a day cop.

The only reason for why he claimed to have blocked me was to make me look bad in a 1 on 1 with him.

Do you get it now?

@Toasty: Alright, I'll tango. It won't end well for you, though.
Can you explain why, when you claimed beekeeper, you thought that I was a night cop?

[Kast]

If he were town who jk'd me because he thought I was a day cop, he would have assumed that I got my 'result' on him during the day, not at night.

This is BAD logic. Correction: If he were town who jk'd me because he thought I was a day cop, he would have KNOW I was lying when I claimed he wasn't town. Thus he would have KNOWN I was a liar, and should (and did) call me out on it.

Nik you are incorrectly assuming he called you a liar

because of an impossible night action

when in fact he called you a liar

because of an impossible claimed result on a claimed day cop action

. Please try to use logic logically.

BB: You're flailing. I also don't like how you basically went what...10 days of posting a reasonable post count, but not actually saying anything, while I and others continued to call you out on it, then when you finally do post stuff, it's scummy as all heck, and phrased in a way that it sounds like another fake claim gambit (and you

know

how I feel about those).

Nik: I agree town doesn't likely have 3 role blocks. Rather than targeting Toast, you should be looking at Andy, who is better than 99% likely to be mafia, as the non town RB. Also, Tans claimed to have copied Andy's power as a temporary copy, so that's one less block in town hands than your game balance comment would imply.

[Kast]

THIS IS BULLSHIT FOR MULTIPLE REASONS.
NIKANOR IS COPYING THE SCUM-GAMBIT FATE PULLED IN FIRE EMBLEM MAFIA

I'm Star Sapphire, JAILKEEPER.
I FUCKING JAILKEPT Nikanor last night
That means
1) He couldn't have gotten a result on me
2) I'm too hot to not be in this game
3) Nikanor may have been the target of a kill, but he also had bulletproof. CALLING EVIL CULT OF FAKE MASONS

So don't you guys dare even think this isn't a one on one. Lynch nikanor or lynch me.
Vote:Nikanor

Here's where you are misreading Nik:

1) He couldn't have gotten a result on me

at night because he was blocked

Here is what he's actually saying:

1) He couldn't have gotten a result on me

during the day because I am town so I know he's lying

You see how your incorrect assumption is leading

you

to believe there is a logical contradiction? That's why you shouldn't make unfounded assumptions.

[Kast]

Even I agree with this, but Andrius is the odd one out.

QFT. Sorry for the multi posts.