Mini 1219 - Bedtime Stories Mafia - Game Over!

Ellibereth · Post Post #308 (isolation #0) » Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:50 pm

Hi
Who's scum.

Ellibereth · Post Post #345 (isolation #1) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:44 am

Where?

Ellibereth · Post Post #349 (isolation #2) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:50 am

What made hip an easy target earlier.

Ellibereth · Post Post #350 (isolation #3) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:52 am

who coached who in game?

Ellibereth · Post Post #352 (isolation #4) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 2:10 am

Rainbow~
You're not the one who would have fucked up by now.
Not the best wall poster on site and that guy's female buddy.
And I don't think you're some planar relation between the Earth and the Sum.
So you're the 4th, right?

I wont out you further etc.

Ellibereth · Post Post #356 (isolation #5) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 2:38 am

...that's not coaching or sheeping.
whatevs
Why is hip the largest wagon.

Ellibereth · Post Post #358 (isolation #6) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 2:50 am

It's where you follow someone.
It can be mindless.
It can be not.
Sheeping can be a skill.
It's actually what I'm deciding on right now, who to sheep.

Ellibereth · Post Post #359 (isolation #7) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 2:52 am

yea

Vote: Voided

Ellibereth · Post Post #361 (isolation #8) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 2:56 am

i don't see scum motivation behind creating a mislynch wagon day 1.

wut

Ellibereth · Post Post #363 (isolation #9) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 3:05 am

....
......
...
THE GOAL
OF SCUM
IS TO MISLYNCH TOWNIES.

Ellibereth · Post Post #365 (isolation #10) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 3:08 am

Thomith
Jan 2011 join date.
I see over 10 games
Are you faking this shit.

Ellibereth · Post Post #367 (isolation #11) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 3:16 am

BECAUSE
THEY JUST LYNCHED A FUCKNIG TOWNIE
IT'S NOT LIKE
"LOLOLOLYOULEAD A LYNCH ON TOWN YOU MUST BE SCUM"
OR
"OMGI'MSOSCAREDTRYINGTOLYNCHSCUM"

I can lead a wagon on you right now if I want.
I can be damn convincing about it.
That means I'm town?

I do not believe you've never seen a scum lead a town lynch.
Stop being stupid

Ellibereth · Post Post #368 (isolation #12) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 3:18 am

and why aren't you attacking me for voting Voided?

We can dance...we can dance...but I'm not going babysit your way through basic theory this game.

Ellibereth · Post Post #370 (isolation #13) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 3:25 am

Beck
Why are people calling hip an easy target and shit?
Like 1 or 2 quick points why he's the largest wagon.
I have a theory.

Ellibereth · Post Post #372 (isolation #14) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 3:28 am

Thomith wrote:Town don't usually vote for no reasoning apart from in RVS, why would town vote for someone who they can't prove are scum? Wouldn't town want to find evidence before actually voting?

Ellibereth · Post Post #373 (isolation #15) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 3:29 am

yeah, your point sucks.

Ellibereth · Post Post #376 (isolation #16) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 3:41 am

Ellibereth wrote:
Beck
Someone Competent
Why are people calling hip an easy target and shit?
Like 1 or 2 quick points why he's the largest wagon.
I have a theory.

Fixed

Ellibereth · Post Post #378 (isolation #17) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 3:43 am

Shut up.
I'm done with you for now.

Ellibereth · Post Post #380 (isolation #18) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 3:56 am

deselby wrote:As has been mentioned, his refusal to vote hiphop makes him not look scum, could be WIFOM of course but it would have been very tempting indeed as scum to vote hiphop.

As above, thoom had an easy target in hiphop, and didn’t go for that one.

Beck I think there's a fair chance Thomith is faking incompetence.
He wants an excuse to call a top wagon town so that when it does flip town he can go all "LOLLOOKIWASRIGHT".
The qualifier there is hip being town though, like I don't really care if he is easy or whateve, why do people think he's scum. Thomith's "because he wrote a case on me" is shit.

Ellibereth · Post Post #412 (isolation #19) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:44 pm

YES
THIS MAKES IT EASIER

HIPHOP
HI
WHY IS THERE A WAGON ON YOU.

Ellibereth · Post Post #413 (isolation #20) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:45 pm

or why was there
whatever

Ellibereth · Post Post #419 (isolation #21) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 6:37 pm

hiphop wrote:I believe if you iso Rainbow, you will figure that one out.

I don't want to read whatever shit other people wrote.
You tell me.

Ellibereth · Post Post #441 (isolation #22) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 2:22 am

This is hilarious.

Ellibereth · Post Post #445 (isolation #23) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 2:38 am

Neruz wrote:
Ellibereth wrote:This is hilarious.

It's confusing is what it is.

Nah, just funny as hell for me.
Wuts confusing?

Ellibereth · Post Post #447 (isolation #24) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 3:10 am

mainly thomith
with a side of a wall
with a loft portion of game state.
and a sprinkling of everyone else.

Ellibereth · Post Post #449 (isolation #25) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 3:16 am

right now?
not really.

Ellibereth · Post Post #451 (isolation #26) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 3:38 am

soon, soon...
It's a curious situation for me right now.

Unvote, Vote Thom

Ellibereth · Post Post #452 (isolation #27) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 3:39 am

Vote Voided

Ellibereth · Post Post #454 (isolation #28) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 3:57 am

Nothing.
Why are't you calling me scum yet.

Ellibereth · Post Post #456 (isolation #29) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 3:58 am

I've been trying to bait you to for the last few pages.
And it would be an excuse to vote you.
You calling me town could be too though.
hmmmmmmmmmmm

Ellibereth · Post Post #458 (isolation #30) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 4:01 am

What?
I want an excuse to vote you.
Not much to explain.

Does that make you think I'm scum yet?

Ellibereth · Post Post #460 (isolation #31) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 4:07 am

I've been trying to see how much I could do before you think I'm scum or expressed any suspicion.
So you didn't think I was scum before 456?

Ellibereth · Post Post #462 (isolation #32) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 4:16 am

Oh that's funny.
Because I've been deciding if YOU'RE stupid or faking it.
And it's funfunfun to bait people.

Enough about you, let's talk about me.
How experienced do you think I am this game?
How often do you think I lied in the last 3 pages?

Ellibereth · Post Post #464 (isolation #33) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 4:24 am

Last thing, I'll stop playing around with you and find a new ball of yarn after this. Pwomise.
Go through some of my other games. What do you think?

Ellibereth · Post Post #467 (isolation #34) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 4:44 am

Hmmm okay guys
So there's only one thing that's stopping me from calling Thom a fake.
He doesn't seem to realize how bad his play/theory is here.
He's the type of player who writing out a case would be a waste of time.
Because it would be perpetually easy.
I mean there are the quick things I noticed immideately.
His love for mentioing "motivations" and the such.
With his mentioning the lack of town motivation on explained votes and then a not a mention when I did it as such to voided.
Also: Taking into account 1. my experience level. and 2. Me telling him to look at his games
I don't think he'd be a good enough player, regardless of alignment, to be able to see the town motivation of my play here so far.
His hesitance to call me scum is just wierd, since I think I've fullfilled fairly well his idea of a "scummy persona" that I've gotten from his style in this game.
The only thing I've broke is the "lolattention" thing that he called hip town for...but even there my very public mocking of that tell should bring him on guard on using it on me.

So yeah.
I'm on the fence.
I don't know how much the "LOLVI" applies on him. (possibility of fakage)
And EVEN if it does, and I think it most likely does at this point, some of his play doesn't make sense in the context of a VI.

Ellibereth · Post Post #469 (isolation #35) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 4:58 am

Yeah
before that.
I don't think you're sophisticated to get that the Voided vote was baiting you.
also
The fact that you would use my "excuse to vote you" line as something to increase my scumminess factor WHEN YOU CLAIM TO KNOW I WAS FUCKING AROUND is also suspect.
All in all, now post-mortem you go all "loliknewhewasscreweingaround", but during it, the absurd seriousness displayed on certain issues runs contrary to someone who knew they were being fucked around with.

Ellibereth · Post Post #479 (isolation #36) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 6:06 am

I can dance with that.
I can dance.

Unvote, Vote Thom

Ellibereth · Post Post #486 (isolation #37) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 7:02 am

Exactly
You're not being consistant
Mr. "LOL, HIPHOP IS TOWN BECAUSE HE DOESN'T WANT TO DRAW ATTENTION BY TUNNELING LOLOL"
but then calls a public declaration of not reading the thread scummy.
When by your defintion
BOTH
DRAW
ATTENTION.

ftr, I've read barely anything. And I don't plan to have read everything for a while if at all. OOOOOOOOOOOOH ME SCUMZ.

Ellibereth · Post Post #487 (isolation #38) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 7:05 am

seee
what would be consistent (but still wrong) is
"OH LOOK HE ISN'T POSTING A LOT SO HE AVOIDS ATTENTION"
by your philosophy of attention not being on a scum agenda etc. etc.

This shit + inconsistencies in attitude toward me and others in relation to previously stated stances
is what shows you don't really believe what you're saying.

Ellibereth · Post Post #492 (isolation #39) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 8:33 am

PARRRRRRRRAAA
MOST OF IT WAS ME FUCKING AROUND WITH THOMITH
I'LL STOP IF YOU STAY
<3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3

Ellibereth · Post Post #505 (isolation #40) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 2:32 pm

is rainbow a hydra trydra or an alt >.>

Ellibereth · Post Post #508 (isolation #41) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 2:49 pm

ok
alt or no alt
what's your experience with the site meta?

Ellibereth · Post Post #510 (isolation #42) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 2:53 pm

Beck wrote:And I've already said thom isn't a good lynch day 1

when is he a good lynch for then...

Ellibereth · Post Post #513 (isolation #43) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 3:05 pm

bleh, even if i didn't have scum inklings from Thom and he was just useless unreadable baggage of crap or a utility target I disagree with you guys theoretically. (It's either D1, N1 vig, or D2).
Whatever, we can talk about this afterwords or something.
I also have a feeling Thomith would be the type that gets easier to read as time goes on if he were scum though I'm not sure about that yet...
kblahwhatever
thinktanktiempo
I'll either be a rabid wolf after Thom blood in the next few posts or have moved on~~~
WHICH WILL IT BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EVEN I DON'T KNOW

Ellibereth · Post Post #516 (isolation #44) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 3:56 pm

Unvote, vote neruz

nvm
didn't read more than a post
didn't think about shit

Ellibereth · Post Post #517 (isolation #45) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 3:57 pm

aka that felt fucking disingenious
discredatious
whatever the hell the word is
discreditationgenious
one example
one "Viey" example from Beck
Though you seem to see more than one, or feel more than one somewhere.
Just quote them over.

Ellibereth · Post Post #520 (isolation #46) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 4:33 pm

I don't care about scumvibes
well I do, that's natural, and it's nice that you quoted. Gut is just gut.
What I don't get is the 'Viey' part of things you brought up.
What's 'Viey' there. At all. And don't say stubborness.

Ellibereth · Post Post #521 (isolation #47) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 4:36 pm

I love you pony.
I really do.

Sheeping isnt scummy inherantly

+1 +1 +1 +1
Sheeping is an ART
knowing when to sheep...who to sheep...
Yeah.
That.

I see little reason to back off what I have been thinking so far, although the play from Ellibereth has caused me to have my reads shaken a little bit and helped get my head out of the clouds. Seems like he keep pushing the exact ponies I have more doubts about, which I like and dislike at the same times. See I really dislike being wrong and tend to not admit such until I have near inconclusive proof otherwise, damn anchoring heruistic, but he keeps playing devils advocate.

heehee.
I live to entertain
just to entertain

Ellibereth · Post Post #524 (isolation #48) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 5:55 pm

Neruz wrote:
Ellibereth wrote:I don't care about scumvibes
well I do, that's natural, and it's nice that you quoted. Gut is just gut.
What I don't get is the 'Viey' part of things you brought up.
What's 'Viey' there. At all. And don't say stubborness.

Um, that would be the blind stubbornness? Voided gave reasoning for most of the things Beck brought up, Beck responded with what basically amounted to 'no ur wrong'. That's pretty standard VI territory there.

I do find it interesting how fast you chainsawed me though.

hmmmmmmaga
Ok this whole overuse of this whole "VI" thing is annoying (not just this game, everywhere in general).
and I'll let Beck response to that even though I think the reply is fairly straightfoward...

And I'll revvvvv up the chainsaw anyday.
Actually that's have some fun with this mechanical beast.
1: Humor me and define a chainsaw.
2: Why is a chainsaw bad/scummy/negative/whatever.

Ellibereth · Post Post #525 (isolation #49) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 5:57 pm

OH
YOU'RE THE HIPHOP THAT I DIDN'T GET TO PLAY WITH IN SPY'S GAME
<3<3<3<3
I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW UNTIL NOW.

Ellibereth · Post Post #526 (isolation #50) » Thu Aug 18, 2011 6:01 pm

waitwut
NERUZ
YOU'RE VOTING THOMITH???
aerfaiergegaergaregr
hahahahahahhahaehah
KSIHSIHISHISHISHISHI
ooooooooh I like my vote more now

Ellibereth · Post Post #568 (isolation #51) » Fri Aug 19, 2011 6:59 am

hi Thomith
everything you know about mafia theory is wrong
you're better off being a quiet sheep this game

I'll read the rest of this shit later.

Ellibereth · Post Post #570 (isolation #52) » Fri Aug 19, 2011 7:08 am

Who's in your alliance thingy.

Unvote, Vote Voided

Neruz is still probably scum etc. (look at where his vote is vs. where his attention is etc. etc.)
Thom can eat bullet.
Back/Rainbow are town.
yeah.

Ellibereth · Post Post #572 (isolation #53) » Fri Aug 19, 2011 7:15 am

Ellibereth wrote:hi Thomith
everything you know about mafia theory is wrong
you're better off being a quiet sheep this game

Ellibereth · Post Post #573 (isolation #54) » Fri Aug 19, 2011 7:20 am

On that note you're not voting someone.
vote someone.

Ellibereth · Post Post #580 (isolation #55) » Fri Aug 19, 2011 7:57 am

I think it's still L-2

Ellibereth · Post Post #583 (isolation #56) » Fri Aug 19, 2011 8:04 am

VoidedMafia (6) - EvilBullet, Parama, Rainbowdash, hiphop, Beck, Ellibereth

mmkay
L-1

Ellibereth · Post Post #587 (isolation #57) » Fri Aug 19, 2011 8:07 am

Rainbow and I are the only ones on the same wavelength this game...

Ellibereth · Post Post #593 (isolation #58) » Fri Aug 19, 2011 8:18 am

guys
whatever
this doesn't matter anymore
What do you guys think about Neruz in relation to the points I brought up.

Ellibereth · Post Post #594 (isolation #59) » Fri Aug 19, 2011 8:19 am

I swear I saw Voided here a second ago.
I swear.

Ellibereth · Post Post #596 (isolation #60) » Fri Aug 19, 2011 8:21 am

yes
albeit cryptically

Ellibereth · Post Post #662 (isolation #61) » Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:11 am

Hi I'm here.
Will kinda read and stuff.
What is this Delselby shit going on though.

Ellibereth · Post Post #667 (isolation #62) » Sun Aug 21, 2011 9:20 am

why do you have neruz as town again

Ellibereth · Post Post #674 (isolation #63) » Sun Aug 21, 2011 11:12 am

wtf who the hell brought up cults?
there are no cults in normals

gg no re.

Ellibereth · Post Post #691 (isolation #64) » Sun Aug 21, 2011 5:13 pm

Shut up voided
Big project for work tomorrow rainbow
sowwy.

Ellibereth · Post Post #710 (isolation #65) » Mon Aug 22, 2011 3:21 am

HEY
NERUZ

Ellibereth wrote:
Neruz wrote:
Ellibereth wrote:I don't care about scumvibes
well I do, that's natural, and it's nice that you quoted. Gut is just gut.
What I don't get is the 'Viey' part of things you brought up.
What's 'Viey' there. At all. And don't say stubborness.

Um, that would be the blind stubbornness? Voided gave reasoning for most of the things Beck brought up, Beck responded with what basically amounted to 'no ur wrong'. That's pretty standard VI territory there.

I do find it interesting how fast you chainsawed me though.

hmmmmmmaga
Ok this whole overuse of this whole "VI" thing is annoying (not just this game, everywhere in general).
and I'll let Beck response to that even though I think the reply is fairly straightfoward...

And I'll revvvvv up the chainsaw anyday.
Actually that's have some fun with this mechanical beast.
1: Humor me and define a chainsaw.
2: Why is a chainsaw bad/scummy/negative/whatever.

Ellibereth · Post Post #711 (isolation #66) » Mon Aug 22, 2011 3:21 am

actually fuck that
if you sheep me onto Voided you don't have to answer

Sleuth, Thomith, I'm the new sheperd.

Ellibereth · Post Post #713 (isolation #67) » Mon Aug 22, 2011 3:28 am

I was going to get something together but fucknig quote stripes.
Yeah just sheep on guys (rainbow you too)

.
I think a case is pretty unecessary to get him dead anyways

Ellibereth · Post Post #714 (isolation #68) » Mon Aug 22, 2011 3:29 am

Thomith wrote:how many votes does voided have? I might switch when slueth explains his reasons for jumping on the dels wagon for no reasons.

He was sheeping
Rainbow told him to
get over it and sheep me now.

Ellibereth · Post Post #716 (isolation #69) » Mon Aug 22, 2011 3:33 am

Okay
Take away flips
Player A attacks Player B for his bad attack on Player C.
Then what.

I'd also you didn't anwser and just voted Voided.
Thomith isn't happening, he's bullet bait.

Ellibereth · Post Post #718 (isolation #70) » Mon Aug 22, 2011 3:37 am

no
it's not
in the slightest
voided isn't even at L-2
get on

Ellibereth · Post Post #730 (isolation #71) » Mon Aug 22, 2011 7:44 am

goddamn
it
I might go through that quote stripe shit and destroy voided myself tonight when I get home if you guys can't see the clown when the red rubber nose is in your face...

Ellibereth · Post Post #739 (isolation #72) » Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:39 am

lolvoided
scum begging for reasons
gtfo
Rainbow put down one vote, give him another post to claim, the hit the red button.

Ellibereth · Post Post #742 (isolation #73) » Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:51 am

Hey thomith if I unvote would you vote voided.

Ellibereth · Post Post #744 (isolation #74) » Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:54 am

(pssst thomith, you're wrong here theoretically too, but whatevs, we can talk postgame and stuff)

unvote

Ellibereth · Post Post #747 (isolation #75) » Mon Aug 22, 2011 9:07 am

HAHAHAHAHAH
KISHISHISHISHISHISIHSIH
OH VOIDED
OH VOIDED
CLAIMCLAIMCLAM

YOU'RE DEALING WITH ME NOW
AND I'LL DANCE TO MY DANCE
THE SONGS AND DANCES OF DEATH

Ellibereth · Post Post #785 (isolation #76) » Tue Aug 23, 2011 1:48 am

Llama
It's the ponies
i thought it was one of them too...

Ellibereth · Post Post #802 (isolation #77) » Tue Aug 23, 2011 5:13 am

aegaegag
GODDAMNIT GREY
DOING THIS SHIT
WHEN VOIDED WAS LOOKING AT THE TOPIC
AND THEN THE DAMN LOCK

UNVOTE, VOTE NERUZ

Ellibereth · Post Post #806 (isolation #78) » Tue Aug 23, 2011 5:21 am

LLAMA
DON'T YOU DARE TAKE CREDIT FOR ANY OF THIS

Ellibereth · Post Post #808 (isolation #79) » Tue Aug 23, 2011 5:26 am

wtf is this obssession with the double vote being real or not.

Ellibereth · Post Post #810 (isolation #80) » Tue Aug 23, 2011 5:34 am

ughThomith...
why would it matter if she was lying????

Ellibereth · Post Post #812 (isolation #81) » Tue Aug 23, 2011 5:38 am

yeahk
whatever
Since it's really really obv she doesn't have a dv.
and lying = death is really really stupid.

Ellibereth · Post Post #816 (isolation #82) » Tue Aug 23, 2011 5:43 am

I'm really a quadruple voter.

Vote: Neruz

Neruz is dead.

Ellibereth · Post Post #818 (isolation #83) » Tue Aug 23, 2011 5:48 am

to you
TO YOU
lolz
IT'S FUCKING (UN)/CONFIRMABLE THE DAY OF, IT'S NOT TOWNTELL IT'S NOTSCUMTELL IT'S JUST ANOTHERTHING FROM RAINBOW "I BLUFF REACTION TEST ABOUT FREAKING EVERYTHING" DASH
Okay
I'm done with this subject
at least we're all united against Neruz...

Ellibereth · Post Post #841 (isolation #84) » Tue Aug 23, 2011 3:26 pm

Rainbow
doesn't
have
a
fucking
double
vote.

Unvote

I need to think about something.

Ellibereth · Post Post #842 (isolation #85) » Tue Aug 23, 2011 3:28 pm

Neruz.
Did you realize that was a "fake" hammer?
What do you think of Voided now.
and ummm I had some other questions
fuck it
Reads?
Yeah that.

Ellibereth · Post Post #843 (isolation #86) » Tue Aug 23, 2011 3:30 pm

wait
the hell is a DV

Ellibereth · Post Post #845 (isolation #87) » Tue Aug 23, 2011 3:41 pm

oh fuck me
everytime neruz said ponies I thought he was talking in rainbow speech and I got confused. >.<
need sleep gah...

Ellibereth · Post Post #930 (isolation #88) » Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:42 am

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 9#p3369029
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 3#p3372223

TWO FOR TWOOOOO
I love you Grey <3

Unvote, vote Evil

Ellibereth · Post Post #932 (isolation #89) » Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:46 am

My gut says Neruz is town.
Based off his play after he thought he got lynched.
I disagree with llama, I don't think he'd be the type to LOLWIFOM it up.
The only worrying case would be him realizing he wasn't actually dead and faking it in combination with the previous attempted Voided hammer.
Yah.

Ellibereth · Post Post #934 (isolation #90) » Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:49 am

we can see neruz is whatever tomorrow
today is an evil day
a bullet day
but with rope.

Ellibereth · Post Post #1031 (isolation #91) » Thu Aug 25, 2011 5:36 am

lolthisgame
I'll deal wth you latah

Ellibereth · Post Post #1032 (isolation #92) » Thu Aug 25, 2011 5:36 am

unvote

Ellibereth · Post Post #1042 (isolation #93) » Thu Aug 25, 2011 5:52 am

Beck wrote:Elli, it's time to take this game serious, start playing for real. This jokey shit is annoying and not helping

I don't joke.

Ellibereth · Post Post #1045 (isolation #94) » Thu Aug 25, 2011 5:56 am

llama
you think rainbow should fullclaim today y/n

Ellibereth · Post Post #1053 (isolation #95) » Thu Aug 25, 2011 6:29 am

My instinct is that it's optimal for rainbow to fullclaim here but I want to see what llama thinks.

Ellibereth · Post Post #1060 (isolation #96) » Thu Aug 25, 2011 6:56 am

You guys are missing a key point
Still waiting for llama
GODDAMNIT LLAMA

Ellibereth · Post Post #1064 (isolation #97) » Thu Aug 25, 2011 7:01 am

Llama
what about the thing and the stuff
she's not alt not part of sight
balance
site meta hole
LALALALALACODE

you follow?

Ellibereth · Post Post #1070 (isolation #98) » Thu Aug 25, 2011 7:15 am

yeah that and other stuff
like her person and relation to site meta.
aergaergreg
I think we're on the same wavelength and I think I mean it's optimal for her to fullclaim.

Thomith I'm only doing this with llama for a reason.

Ellibereth · Post Post #1072 (isolation #99) » Thu Aug 25, 2011 7:18 am

You're not getting any reads until this Rainbow stuff is sorted out.

Ellibereth · Thu Aug 25, 2011 8:05 am

Hm, 'my role makes multiscums unlikely' + 'my role makes an even night jailkeeper unlikely' = ???

What about this duality?

Ellibereth · Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:25 pm

this lolslip on beck is stupid.
This day is way too long.
did voided ever end up claiming?

Ellibereth · Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:43 pm

Next wagon we have to kill regardless of claim.

Or we can lynch neruz regardless of town read due to VT claim and potential doubt and all.

Ellibereth · Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:46 pm

I have a town read on him.
I wouldn't mind lynching him.
It's sort of read regardless.
Theoretically we've had too many claims today and the day has gone on too long.
I don't remember if Voided had claimed at all though.
But regardless, next wagon has to be blood, no matter what. Cop, doctor, I don't care.

Ellibereth · Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:57 pm

sure, out of laziness.
What i think of people and confidence levels should be fairly obvious from what I've said though

tbh right now reads are less important than who we're lynching asap

Ellibereth · Fri Aug 26, 2011 4:41 am

rWgtggGRWGF
GODDAMNIT GUYS DOING THIS SHIT BEFORE I GET HERE

Ellibereth · Fri Aug 26, 2011 4:41 am

Voided is going to flip town, that post after the fake hamemr thingamajiggy was town

Ellibereth · Fri Aug 26, 2011 4:42 am

and did he even claim yet?

Ellibereth · Fri Aug 26, 2011 4:43 am

Oh yeah he did
VT
Whatever then.

VoidedMafia (DEAD) - Sleuth, Banshee, Thomith, RainbowDash, Beck, Evil, Wierd

Ellibereth · Fri Aug 26, 2011 4:45 am

ok I'll read later but thoughts sticking in my head

Beck slip is STUPID
banshee is town (have you ever played with me on your past account? just curious)
Voided is town blahblahfuckingblah but that doesn't matter anymore
wierded I dunno. Normally I'd be pissed about the hammer but noone really gives a shit about today going on including me so etc. I haven't really been reading that slot.
Llama's town for stuff and wanting to derail this wagon.
Rainbow's town.
Bullet/Neruz I've been lazy and not looknig at their post hammer thingys in detail will do that asap.
lolthomith

Ellibereth · Fri Aug 26, 2011 4:46 am

who's left?
hiphop, implosion, sleuth
superskim time hold

Ellibereth · Fri Aug 26, 2011 4:50 am

This all on skim
yeah bullet's reads all suck, but I think he's town from the second head's comment
Neruz's less so but also reads town especially with his just claiming wifom death bomb's being pointless.
I don't think two town would pull shenanigans like that though so I'm probably wrong with one of the gah.
I think both self-meta'd at some point? I'm doubting that as a tell now though since I want to/have done it way to fucking often as town.

Ellibereth · Fri Aug 26, 2011 5:03 am

actually fuck reading this over

TOWN
Elli
Banshee
Rainbow
Llama
Beck
Voided
imp

1{Neruz/Bullet}+2{hip/sleuth/thomith/weird}

Ellibereth · Fri Aug 26, 2011 7:13 am

hammered a page ago
fucking stupid

Ellibereth · Fri Aug 26, 2011 7:23 am

not you
this game

Ellibereth · Fri Aug 26, 2011 7:25 am

I dunno.
I just had Voided as town
Probably one of Neruz/EB
I think one of them has to be scum.

Ellibereth · Tue Aug 30, 2011 7:12 am

fuck me...

Ellibereth · Tue Aug 30, 2011 7:13 am

I'll get to this game later...embarassed/amazed at voided misread I don't really want to reevaluate now...

Ellibereth · Tue Aug 30, 2011 7:49 am

I'm probably going to sheep one of you guys (llama/rainbow) for a bit...reeval would take a bit of time
wefwafeawgf
I don't remember ever being so wrong of someone in twilight
goddamnit
disgusting...

Ellibereth · Wed Aug 31, 2011 7:28 am

goddamnit guys...goddamnit.
We're massclaiming popcorn?
If so we should all shut up abotu everything until it's over.

Ellibereth · Wed Aug 31, 2011 7:41 am

I agree on massclaim with the amount of softs/fulls.
Not claiming = death.
We should all be quiet about the game unless we see one of his heads lurking where he just dies.

Llama didn't you miss the intermission vengeful in FLash? wanna go.

Ellibereth · Wed Aug 31, 2011 2:58 pm

That's not how massfuckingclaim works goddamnit.
This is a fucking normal and all this "LOLMYSTERY" in a massclaim is just...
THE WHOLE POINT IS FREAKING ROLE OPTIMIZATION VS. BALANCE AERGAERVAERTHAETH

Ellibereth · Wed Aug 31, 2011 3:00 pm

Ok fucking shit with this.
We go to whoever he popcorns, imp is claim caboose.
and if he still refuses we decide
"lololIdecidewheniclaim" is not how this works.

Ellibereth · Wed Aug 31, 2011 3:05 pm

CONFIRMABLE
DOES NOT EQUAL
ME NO CLAIM IN MASSCLAIM
MASS
CLAIM
AND YOU AHVEN'R SERVED EITHER PURPOSE OF ROLE OPTIMIZATION
OR BALANCE

ok imp
no arbitrary I decide
when I claim

Date/Time or some marker
this shit can't go through
I'm sorry
Usually I would push for you dead NOW.
But I think you're town.
And I can't think of any role where what you're doing is right
even if you think it si
godd this

Ellibereth · Wed Aug 31, 2011 3:19 pm

>.>
sorry
I'm rage-blinding
and didn't see....
ugh...I really really don't see any mini role where this would be optimal.
Look...my initial reaction was letting you go based on my read but my reads clearly suck and I haven't reevaled yet.
From a theoretical point of view it just seems wrong though...

Ellibereth · Wed Aug 31, 2011 5:15 pm

rainbow you or me?
we can talk about stuff after, we should just finish this.
and it's more important to talk about imp before anything else.

Ellibereth · Wed Aug 31, 2011 5:25 pm

I'm Vanilla
who's left that hasn't claimed.

Ellibereth · Wed Aug 31, 2011 5:29 pm

that order's fine

Ellibereth · Wed Aug 31, 2011 5:32 pm

only answer the second part
discussion after everything

Ellibereth · Thu Sep 01, 2011 4:24 am

REFERENCE
I'll be thinking and reevalling starting today.

Elli - VT
Banshee - VT
Neruz - VT
Llama - VT
Thomith - VT
wierd - VT
*Sleuth - VT

Bullet - Even Jailkeep
hiphop - Watcher
Rainbow - Bodyguard
*Beck - Odd Vig

imp - Inno Child

Voided - Maf Encrypt

Ellibereth · Thu Sep 01, 2011 9:48 am

ok
so
No way in hell all the PR's are town
all the syngergy blahblahstuff is stupid.
Like, "working together" isn't a good reason.
The closest we can come to outguessing the mod is that the settup isn't "unbalanced" but by the looks of it, it's fucking swingy.

So, anyway, powerole confirmableness is second degree since lolscum lying about that that shit is lolscum.
Whole point is that we can arrange them onto each other in a away that's all happy and happy.
so before I even think who's scum and who's not and who's what.
Hip -> Rainbow -> Evil -> Imp is the natural sort of connection assuming everyone is truthy and all that.

hmmmmmmmmma
readwise
llama's banshee softclaim is meh to me.
Only ALARMBELL is that she's from an era from two year's ago? And the meta for random wierd softs then was pre-Fate and all that, butt her posts are town.
okay
now
more readwise
later

Ellibereth · Thu Sep 01, 2011 9:50 am

wait me wrong
hip -> evil -> rainbow -> imp is better?
wait nvm evil would lock the body guard away blah

Ellibereth · Thu Sep 01, 2011 9:54 am

why wouldn't he jk imp >.>

Ellibereth · Thu Sep 01, 2011 10:09 am

i haven't been following closesly
what's the whole llama banshee deal
I know it's realted to his thinking you softclaimed etc.

Ellibereth · Thu Sep 01, 2011 10:49 am

llama
or banshee
wtf is this argument
I think I know what it is but if what I think is right it's just really really stupid.

Ellibereth · Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:57 pm

guys stop theory arguing.
it won't help alignment
it's about what GREY thinks anyways not us.
almost done reeval but it's not as reevalish as i thought

Ellibereth · Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:23 am

ALMOST almost done with the run through
I have to leave in 3 hours so I'll have some actual alignment thoughts up before then.
Where the fuck is that thomith quoting me from though. >.>
Oh, I dreamed about this game last night. It somehow involved pancakes. True story.

Ellibereth · Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:24 am

THomith
are you arguing theory
really
really
after the shitstorm yesterday
okay

Ellibereth · Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:27 am

Who is it about?

Ellibereth · Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:34 am

...
Do you get why that's bad?

Because it WAS me. and someone who is trying to argue theory with such blahblahblaocohty ought to know that.
And it was about BANSHEE.
How can you just quote it so recently
and have no idea what it's about except for what's in the quote and your response

disinginensoussssssss

Ellibereth · Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:36 am

to show you clearly have no idea what the fuck is going on.

Ellibereth · Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:43 am

~ I'm not explaining lalalalalaaaalalaa
I liked you better when you admitted you weren't good at this.

Whatever, this exchange ends here I'm almost done with things on my end, and just realize my opinion on you will be like the scales of anubis.

Ellibereth · Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:47 am

iLol'ed
LLAMA STOP ME PLEASE I WANT TO START TROLLING HIM AGAIN I REALLY DO

Ellibereth · Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:59 am

I have tons to lose.
And just because your innate knowledge of mafia theory can't comprehend it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
And whoooooooosh I don't want to explain why I'll have tons to lose either!
Or why I'll lost stuff from that!
or that
or that
or that
or that

Ellibereth · Fri Sep 02, 2011 5:03 am

And whoooooooosh I don't want to explain why I'll have tons to lose either!

Ok.
I'll stop replying now
sorry for thomith spamming again guys
It's so enticing. >.>

Ellibereth · Fri Sep 02, 2011 5:09 am

Ellibereth · Sat Sep 03, 2011 5:15 am

I smell flail...

Ellibereth · Sat Sep 03, 2011 5:16 am

imp, I get bansh but why you have thom still so high.
There are certain inconsistencies etc.

Ellibereth · Sat Sep 03, 2011 5:21 am

TOWN
Banshee
Rainbow
Imp
Llama
Elli
bullet* (This one I'm nervous about...but still up here so yeah)

PEOPLE LEFT
hip
neruz
thom
wierd

Ellibereth · Sat Sep 03, 2011 8:43 am

This recent play from him just feels like a sudden shift that makes me uncomfortable though.

Yeah
I WAS almost going to call him town
but this behavior shift only came when he was at a legitimate chance of death etc.

Ellibereth · Sun Sep 04, 2011 9:30 am

Stopping at page 60 but one more thing: I'm not agreeing with any of these orders for who I JK. I'm not gonna defend with my role.

but that's the theoretically soundest play with an innocent child, bodyguard, watcher combo >.>

Ellibereth · Sun Sep 04, 2011 4:30 pm

this game is getting kinda sappy to me.
sappy in the I'm not really interested so let's just lynch someone.
I'll hammer anyone in my not town list.

Ellibereth · Mon Sep 05, 2011 3:23 am

That's why i think bullet is town sooooooo

Ellibereth · Tue Sep 06, 2011 12:10 pm

why the fuck is this still going on...
Okay
I'll start reading from where I left off after I finish this writing thing, school starts etc. and we really just need to agree on someone to kill..

Just to make it easy and clear, screw discussion, who is everybody willing to lynch?

Ellibereth · Tue Sep 06, 2011 12:10 pm

Clear for me:

In post 1573, Ellibereth wrote:TOWN
Banshee
Rainbow
Imp
Llama
Elli
bullet* (This one I'm nervous about...but still up here so yeah)

PEOPLE LEFT
hip
neruz
thom
wierd

Ellibereth · Wed Sep 07, 2011 5:10 pm

is anyone at L-1 yet...
sorry guys, the conversations that i think have been going on just don't interest me much as it's just choosing who to lynch out of the pool I'd take anyone in.

Ellibereth · Wed Sep 07, 2011 5:12 pm

why the fuck do I see three cult leaders somewhere
I might read this now

Ellibereth · Wed Sep 07, 2011 5:13 pm

HOW HARD IS IT TO CHOOSE SOME TO KILL >.>

If we agree on pr pool it's obv hip.
If we agree on vt pool it's one of thom/ner/weird...I'd probably choose wierd just off the fact that I don't remember what he's done

Ellibereth · Wed Sep 07, 2011 5:19 pm

In post 1749, Neruz wrote:I forget, why are we just letting Ellibereth run around making posts like 1744 without any scrutiny?

because me reading this game is totally unnecessary at this point

Ellibereth · Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:55 pm

In post 1785, Llamarble wrote:When an argument is as profoundly correct as Elli's Lima Bean, sheeping is mandatory.

That IS no lima bean!

I see hip votes
are we lynching hip?
L-wut?

Okay I'll tag on after rainbow votes.

Ellibereth · Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:59 pm

I haven't seen a spiderman post in a while come to think of it.
yays

Ellibereth · Mon Sep 19, 2011 8:11 am

TUTURUUUUUUUU~~~~~
Sorry I missed yesterday guyz
here upittingnow

Ellibereth · Mon Sep 19, 2011 8:27 am

Haven't read wierded/any stuff yet but the point of the plan is worst case scenaro we have some sort conf town no matter what in lylo right?

Ellibereth · Mon Sep 19, 2011 8:32 am

lolwierded
you're no SDC
and you never will be
~~~~
Let me think it over a little bit.
Why is Banshee the jailkeep target over otherpeople again?

Ellibereth · Mon Sep 19, 2011 8:39 am

gah I'd probably like someone else.
worst case scenario probably has me in Lylo dancing off with someone...
and I don't have time to WALL ON WALL and all that shit.
but is that avoidable?
Oh yeah it is nevermind hahaaa

////

ahhh screw this shit.
Let me just figure out who scum is.
I PROBABLY support weirdedcrap but honestly something in my gut says they are town.

Ellibereth · Tue Sep 20, 2011 11:08 am

because I've stopped reading this shit and since D2.5 or whatever.
I'm slowly moving up everyday but yeaaaaaaah, most of this is "theorytheorytheory" or llama going on about correct lynch theory. PoE supplements and all that aren't really needed.
and motivation to provide content is low given with the circumstances anyway

actually it's probably better spending time for me to think if there's anyway for our best case scenario to fail role-interaction wise. And how the hell I'm going to win in Lylo if it comes to it....

Ellibereth · Tue Sep 20, 2011 11:11 am

In post 2003, Neruz wrote:Sort of, Elli flailed in, failed to contribute or commit to anything and then flailed away under the guise of... laziniess i think.

Honestly if wv doesn't flip scum, Elli's looking pretty good for a scum choice because he looks a lot like he's trying to coast to the end game.

I'm all starry at you since I think (?) you're the most likely candidate in the confirmed town, moi, scum lylo scenario.
Flail.
Using "guise".
You damn well know the laziness is consistent with this crap and why this short of mechanical thing/length would kill my motivation.

ftr scumelli wouldn't coast through like this as last one living, he goes out in firecrackers. /selfmeta.

but yeah me look at you you looky at me monkey see monkey do

Ellibereth · Tue Sep 20, 2011 11:14 am

kyeah fuck it
I'm not going to be providing any of you with what you'll be wanting anyways

Vote: wierded

Ellibereth · Sun Sep 25, 2011 7:09 am

Weekend V/a still going one etc

Ellibereth · Mon Sep 26, 2011 5:16 am

I have active lurked the whole game
sans the first day I was here.

~~~I'll have time starting today.
activity wise at least one person can support me drop was site-wide ~

Ellibereth · Mon Sep 26, 2011 5:17 am

P.S. Thomith
How isn't it obvious that I've been active lurking through the last few days. >.>
I didn't feel like participating whatever day it was after voided died and then all the shit was about claiming.
Then you guys killed whoever the next day without me.
Then you guys virtually killed wierded and i was just all show up and hammer.

Ellibereth · Mon Sep 26, 2011 5:19 am

Theoretically sound play is to lynch Banshee
except I think Banshee is town...
I remember llama saying we should no lynch in this scenario and then banshee said for some reason that sucked
kwait

Ellibereth · Mon Sep 26, 2011 5:21 am

In post 2053, implosion wrote:premise one: the scum had daytalk on day one.
premise two: neruz thought there were three cults on day one.
inference one: neruz would probably have mentioned the possibility of cults to his scumbuddies. if he did this, his scumbuddies would have mentioned that it was impossible.
inference two: if neruz were scum, he would know that there were no cults on day one.
conclusion: if neruz is telling the truth about thinking that there were cults on day one, then he's town.

Someone look this over. and then look to see if neruz is telling the truth. I'm kind of swaying towards an elli lynch. someone give me an elli-town case.

As someone who played daytalk games at a ridiculously frequency
one issue here

it's surprising how little scum teams utilize daytalk sometimes, especially people not use to it.
There have been SEVERAL cases where people just post first then check, or don't bother to check at all for a while.

Ellibereth · Mon Sep 26, 2011 5:23 am

In post 2064, Neruz wrote:Thomith is an idiot and annoying, that's why it's not blatantly obvious that you've been active lurking.

Let me look through his iso
this keeps raising the point I had waaaaay back but I'm still not confident.

Elli - active lurk should be fucking obvious
"Thomith idot" would miss
But don't think what I've been doing would be OBVOBV even for a VI?

I remember there being one post I quoted with Thomith showing some inconsistency in sophistication a while back lemme see.

Oh yeah, where are you in the modding food chain? Like what type of games have you modded.

Ellibereth · Mon Sep 26, 2011 5:34 am

because the cult thing would be really wierd for someone who
1) knows how to balance shit, and 2) has been through review process.

Ellibereth · Mon Sep 26, 2011 5:43 am

what context was that in anyway

Ellibereth · Mon Sep 26, 2011 5:43 am

Thomith, can you link to what you think your *best* town and scum games are?
At this point I think this game is in the realm of super-meta reliant for me.

Ellibereth · Mon Sep 26, 2011 10:50 am

other note: what do people (including neruz) make of neruz's two RVS votes both being on scum?

Beyond trivial.

Ellibereth · Tue Sep 27, 2011 5:33 am

well this is a pain

Ellibereth · Tue Sep 27, 2011 5:36 am

probably not.

I'm more worried about figuring out the third and shit.
since this doesn't make sense.

Ellibereth · Tue Sep 27, 2011 5:38 am

god this is really annoying...
come onnnnn imp why couldn't you have just left me coast.
at least from my pov it would've been more probabilistically favorable and shit...

Ellibereth · Tue Sep 27, 2011 5:40 am

why the fuck would it be a scumclaim
I'm annoyed I have to deal with not getting lynched ontop of finding shit now.

Ellibereth · Tue Sep 27, 2011 5:43 am

So i don't have to deal with having to worry about me getting lynched?
durrrrrrrr?

Ellibereth · Tue Sep 27, 2011 5:46 am

........
There's a lot of shit you don't understand.

Someone else can explain it to you since I'm not in the fucking mood.

Ellibereth · Tue Sep 27, 2011 5:48 am

actually i will because your reply would probably just piss me off more.

It's not beneficial for town to be suspected.
If I can be be thought of as town by almost everyone and just lalalalala through with nothing it's good for town so unnecessary suspicions and shit especially like now in fucking MYLO don't happen.
It's like being an innocent child.
But you're not confirmed.
But everyone thinks you are.
Like Evil Bullet can coast through now.
Imp can too with the benefit of confirmation.

Got it?
good.

Ellibereth · Tue Sep 27, 2011 5:51 am

it's not
I was getting so pissed of I forgot it wasn't tomorrow
which is Lylo if this shit goes through.

my bad.

Ellibereth · Tue Sep 27, 2011 5:52 am

wait
the fuck am I saying
tomorrow is MYLo
not Lylo

Ellibereth · Tue Sep 27, 2011 5:53 am

nevermind
it wouldn't make a difference
imp/eb duality and all that.

Ellibereth · Tue Sep 27, 2011 5:55 am

yes
Since I was thinking if this town lynches me they're going to fucking lose.
Except they're going to lose in two days and shit and not today.

don't try to twist it into a slip
it's fucking impossible for today to be MYLO by any degree.

Ellibereth · Tue Sep 27, 2011 5:56 am

Thomith
before you press the issue because I know you're annoying like that

Why would scum think today would be MYLO?
Hint: They wouldn't.

Ellibereth · Tue Sep 27, 2011 6:01 am

...
no
both of those are impossible.

Ellibereth · Tue Sep 27, 2011 6:05 am

night actions and flips...

Ellibereth · Wed Sep 28, 2011 6:08 am

town calling themselves town is awesome and underused.
yeah I'm working on you/neruz
and thom
since I'm not half as confident as you guys there
the first no kill wasn't difficult
and I remember llama plotting outt he rest in some post
or buddies in qt
or I don't know

anyway time is here so thinktank can go slowbro.

Ellibereth · Wed Sep 28, 2011 6:11 am

not directed towards you
directed toward banshee
aka you don't need to know

Ellibereth · Wed Sep 28, 2011 5:07 pm

yeah I'm still figuring shit out too
as a general reference on meta
use more games than 1
sample sizes too small different styles etc.

Ellibereth · Thu Sep 29, 2011 4:23 am

Ellibereth · Thu Sep 29, 2011 4:25 am

don't feel like it
not stop making me spam the thread up
aka I won't be replying to your crap anymore.
we have a while
work on your own shit instead of asking these stupid questions

Ellibereth · Thu Sep 29, 2011 5:49 am

yes
--------
I dunno yet, been considering him confirmed town since him being scum would be a baller gambit and all that.
probability etc.
if he's scum we're fucked.

Ellibereth · Fri Sep 30, 2011 10:47 am

hi sorry
I've been lazy as fuck this game because of the meta element which I knew was going to be a pain in the ass.
We can talk about TOMORROW after we decide on a lynch guys.
So we can have no tomorrow and all that.
ok
so
Banshee
Neruz
Thomith

Banshee
I think she's town. Think as in very certain.
willingness to die.
Acknowledgement of it and all that.
ummmmm, posting tons of crap when lazytown/scum would probably not want to.
I'm not really planning on rereading here, since Bullet said he was putting something together and all that but pending whatever mindblowing thing that is I'm staying solid.

Thomith issue.
Me not so confident as all of you.
Banshee: for your most recent Thomithidiot town thing. What I was saying that llama previously described this EXACT process as to what happened in the thread.

In post 1864, Llamarble wrote:A reason for scum to nokill last night is:
A townie will probably get lynched today (unless they were the roleblock target in which case they were going down anyway)
Scum can take out rainbow, then nokill again the next night. Town will have to no-lynch, and then scum can kill EB in peace without generating any conftowns.

I think it works out the same as killing though; town gets to check on or lynch 4 people either way.

With the except of the no lynch today which is suboptimal as hell and all that.
Sooooo, the only question is how obvious was the first no NK.
Which I think is very with people practically going, lolweblockwierdedthennokillthenwin, or something along those lines.
as for the rest of his image...that's meta time, or iso me time. I tihnk i found some contradiction earlier.

Neruz I've also slacked on except for the wierd cult thing and thinking he was scum early when I replaced in.
I'll TRY to get more in before I disappear for weekend and all that but I have to study for SAT's and some point etc.

Ellibereth · Sat Oct 01, 2011 6:54 pm

ugh you guys.
arfargargaergaergaerg
goddamnit

only advice is to not slash out THomith so fast like you've been doing
banshee is still really town
i don't bullet will come up with any shit for that

a goddamnit I really don't have more time now

WHY BULLET WHY

if grey disappears and shit again I'll try and look for tom night