TV Mafia Game Over - Scum Win

[Banshee]

To answer your questions in reverse order:

I think FourseenCircumstance is scum, but I'm not certain of it. Shotty can verify it for us either by dying or by surviving and then being lynched. Even if Shotty's doctor results are tampered with somehow, we don't get LESS information than we would have previously without the chance of a read on someone since we're planning to lynch Shotty tomorrow anyway.

I think whoever we decide on to hammer will do it or be lynched in CB's place; that was how I understood the situation, anyway.

[killerjester]

Yeah, If someone refuses to hammer they become the D4 lynch.

[izakthegoomba]

Well I'll re-read FC ('s slot?) later and come to a decision.

@Banshee/killerjester ok

[killerjester]

God, izak is so town it almost hurts.

[David Xanatos]

Are you being serious?

[killerjester]

Yes.

[David Xanatos]

We're talking about the same Izak, right?

The one who completely missed the fact Rodion was CT and kept pushing him as Scum?

And then as SK, which would require no less than two blocks in a row, on N1 and N2? I'd even say N3, as usually SK kills are more graphic than that..

[killerjester]

He's also volunteered to hammer CB.

[jasonT1981]

Day 4 Vote count 3

Castle 8 - Mysterio, MOI, Fourseen, Vezo,THAdmiral, ,Nero,Jester,TheJakalope (L-3)
Shotty 1 - Mera
Mera 1 - Rainbow
Fourseen 1 - Banshee
Rodion 1 - Castle

Not voting

PeregrineV,drmyshottyizsik,ZeL1nK,Junpei,silverbullet999,Izak,Rodion,DavidX

With 20 alive it takes 11 to lynch

@Mod: Can we have a prod on Junpei please?

Junpei is V/LA

@mod

- Are andrew and oversoul from the same faction? One is called scum and one mafia but they are same color flip.

my mistake, front page fixed.

[David Xanatos]

Granted, but if CB is Scum with Izak (A possibility), he'd know whether or not he's a bomb-type role, and therefore would offer purely because of the town-cred he'd get from it.

Edit: Goddamnit.. V/LA.. are we gonna wait for him?

@Mod: Did Junpei submit an action?

[izakthegoomba]

@DX kindly explain how (the mortal so of) skimming a very small section while rushed and missing the No Gun result (which, by the way, still doesn't clear him from being SK OR OTHER THIRD PARTY) makes me scum.

Also, while I recognise that this seriously lowers he chances of him being scum and I was wrong to push him for the hammer, he is not totally CT.

And then as SK, which would require no less than two blocks in a row, on N1 and N2? I'd even say N3, as usually SK kills are more graphic than that..

1. Why does this make me scum? Would scum not stop pushing at that point?

2. It could easily be made up of two protects, or two RBs, or one of each, plus an unusual kill flavour. But stop trying to outguess Jason, the method an SK uses, and what gets a gun result, are up to him.

PEdit: Dammit DX, you can't ask a mod that!

[killerjester]

Eh, I feel useful claiming here. My name is Michael Guerin and I am the town's Goon Cop.

Izak, Mysterio, and fourseen are

not

vanilla goons, respectively investigated on nights 1, 2, and 3. That's all I know.

4] Do not quote any private mod/player communications. Do not pretend to quote private mod/player communications. Doing so will result in a modkill. Be careful how you word your claim, coming too close to role PM will result in a Mod Kill.

Lastly, I think that's how shotty should die btw.

[jasonT1981]

@Mod: Did Junpei submit an action?

I can not answer, sorry.

[izakthegoomba]

So, if any of us are scum, we're PRs? What an odd role. Anyways, since I don't think killer is scum, I believe that claim.

Therefore, I don't wan't FC dead unless he does something seriously scummy.

[killerjester]

So, if any of us are scum, we're PRs? What an odd role. Anyways, since I don't think killer is scum, I believe that claim.

Correct, I don't detect scum PRs or any town roles. I'm essentially a weaker cop.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Large catch-up post incoming –

DEAR GOD WHAT IS WITH ALL THE UNNEEDED CLAIMING? YOU PEOPLE

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Who was the user in this game that so adamently said there were no cults?

Nobody in thread. There has been discussion behind the scenes in QT about the lack of likelihood of a cult given none was announced and the game hasn’t been advertised as Bastard (which an unannounced Cult is per site norms).

Did word get back to you via Scum quicktopic about that discussion?

If either Silver or Junpei flip scum the other (via the above) is very likely (95%) to be a buddy. Don't forget this.

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And your reason for not voting him is b/c you're afraid he might be vengeful?

We've already had a vengeful flip.

Quite frankly – so what? We’ve already have proven examples of Town and Scum both having a duplicate power (Neighborizor). Why shouldn’t the possibility of more mirroring be considered?

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On the topic of Shotty’s claim – It is still bunk as I discussed before.

1. Inventors don’t get to use their own items the Night they make them. Also, claimed role-name is borked.
2. Pre-game ability to use something while Day and Night Neighborizors didn’t get a pre-game use of ability? Crap.
3. Role-fishing from myself, Rainbow and Zel1nk with VT claims from “RoleCop” result. For the record I’ve not disputed or confirmed such because that is the sole purpose of his “RoleCop” – fishing.
4. Look at his claimed breadcrumb – he breadcrumbed RoleCop when he’s an inventor with multiple powers. Doesn’t make sense.
5. His role makes no sense as a Town Role having a Role-Cop and Weak Doc abilities when we already have flipped Jailkeeper and Gunsmith roles.

SHOTTY – JUST TO BE CLEAR … YOU ARE HAMMERING CASTLE TODAY.

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MoI - I think it now falls on you to publish all of Chk's reports.

Yeah.

Chkballin had two scans, both No Gun.

Rodion was the first as previously mentioned. Pinky was the second. Chkballin had real concerns about their play and wanted to ‘clear’ the QT as much as possible. Yeah, they were in the QT with Neighborizor, myself and Chkballin.

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@RainbowDash at 2409

– Why, if you think CB is WIFOMing scum are you bothering to engage him in discussion. Really curious about your motive.

If CB or DMSIS are not being lynched its Meran or FC today.

Oh no, it’s CB or DMSIS today. No other options are acceptable

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It's my understanding that Serial Killers usually show up as no gun. Is that still usually the case?

Yes that is correct. Given the derth of kills so far any reason you think we have a Serial Killer?

VOTE: Fourseen Circumstance

I have zero tolerance for this crap. I don't care what your alignment is, if you don't want to play, don't replace in.

Fourseen is a Troll. Looking at his posting history around site confirms this pretty easily. Whether he is a Troll Alt or just a regular Troll isn't really important to the discussion. Your voting for him over claimed scum in Castle or DMSIS raises alarms for me.

This should not be construed to mean that I think Rodion is a Mafia doctor. I think he's probably town and that I was wrong. But he's not CONFIRMED town, nor are any of the others until Shotty flips town or scum imo.

Rodion is as confirmed Town as you can get this game. As much so as anyone a Shotty Town flip would become. As much as ANY player ever can be in Mafia. If said players survive late, late into the game you can start to think about Godfather / Investigation Immune possibilities. This early on (we have 20 people alive and 2 scum down) there is no point to already going “He’s not confirmed”

[David Xanatos]

Not too suspicious of KJ's claim.. does leave open the possibility of Scum PRs though.. and I've never come across Goon Cop before so.. gut reaction says it's not the sort of thing Scum would throw out on a whim..

I had a rather large post typed up on Izak but given KJ's claim, most of it's null unless Izak happens to be a PR, in which case, I pity the Scum team.

[Nero Cain]

And your reason for not voting him is b/c you're afraid he might be vengeful?

We've already had a vengeful flip.

Quite frankly – so what? We’ve already have proven examples of Town and Scum both having a duplicate power (Neighborizor). Why shouldn’t the possibility of more mirroring be considered?
nfirmed”

I can see this. I'm just rather surprised that she's so against being on the wagon.

[killerjester]

Meh, if I die then my role is useless to everyone. It's not that strong of a role anyway. That's why I claimed.

[izakthegoomba]

@MoI since when did you get to dictate who hammers today? I was under the impression we were free to choose that as a group.

@killer perhaps it's not as good as some others, but we still can't afford to lose a claimed town PR.

[MagnaofIllusion]

@MoI since when did you get to dictate who hammers today? I was under the impression we were free to choose that as a group.

You gave that up when you kept pushing Rodion to hammer despite the fact that we have Gunsmith "No Gun" result on them. It demonstrated you actually aren't reading.

[FourseenCircumstance]

I AM NOT A TROLL...... LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Seriously, why hasn't CB been lynched yet.

[izakthegoomba]

@MoI as I already said, I skimmed one section, when I was I a hurry and just wanted to get a quick post in. And how did I "give that up"? You are looking for non-existent reasons to deny me an opinion. You just pinged the Scumdar™. Speaking of which...

Castle Bravo - 9/10

drmyshottyizsik - 7/10

Meransiel - 7/10

Junpei - 7/10

silverbullet999 - 7/10

PeregrineV - 6/10

David Xanatos - 6/10

MagnaofIllusion - 5/10

vezokpiraka - 5/10

Banshee - 5/10

Nero Cain - 5/10

ThAdmiral - 5/10

ZeL1nK - 4/10

TheJakalope - 4/10

Rainbowdash - 4/10

Rodion - 3/10

killerjester - 2/10

FourseenCircumstance - 2/10

Mysterio - 2/10

Is that a better yellow?

[David Xanatos]

KJ > You have three results still living, that's actually pretty good for us.

And I note that now Izak has dropped KJ, FC and Mysterio 3 points based on KJ's claim.. KJ I can understand, but if you felt someone was scummy before enough to warrant a 5/10, how can you justify dropping them 3 points based on an unconfirmed (Strictly speaking) claim that would only confirm they're non-Scum Goon?

And I love how MoI calling you on skimming is making you call him scummier. I think irony just died...

[David Xanatos]

Note: Especially when you've kept pushing Rodion as 3rd party despite the "No Gun" read.