Newbie 1138 - Game Over! Town Win!

[Bricktoes]

*not know

[Xeras]

So Xeras, what is your opinion on the latest issues:

1) Copclaim or not?
2) NS is JK or scum?
3) Should we lynch Abel based the NS's JK claim?
4) How you suggest town to act in order to win?

1. Absolutely no cop claim. If there is a cop, and NS is a jailkeeper then it would make the cop pretty much useless. This is why I made a doctor fakeclaim in episode v.
2. It is hard to tell right now. Though, I would rather potentially lynch a vanilla, then lynch a jailkeeper.
3. We should lynch Abel, in my opinion. I found him scummy before NS's JK claim.
4. This is what I think we should do.

We are at six people right now.

Whilst
Claymore
Nobody Special
Honest Abel
I am Innocent
Xeras

Assuming that we mislynch Abel. Then we have

Whilst
Claymore
Nobody Special
IAI
Xeras

If someone dies, we should lynch NS. In fact, at this point, I think that should Abel be an vanilla, Ns should jail whilst. If no one dies, then whilst is potentially scum. If there is a detective, he should investigate Nobody special. If there is a doctor, he should protect Claymore. Assuming, the plan falls through, either I should die, or IAI should die. In this case the cop should claim on day four. Then the remaining players should have a good guess on who is the last mafia.

[Nobody Special]

The main problem with lining up night actions is that scum can them manipulate them to their advantage. Which is why I was reluctant to announce my plans. (Still am.)

[Xeras]

That's true, but if you jail someone, and we know who you jailed, and you die, then we have a confirmed townie.

[Honest Abel]

Yeah, NS, you have to tell us who you're going to jail, sorry. It's the only thing that makes sense.

[Honest Abel]

Xeras, bring your case on me. Let's do this thing.

[Xeras]

Xeras, bring your case on me. Let's do this thing.

Tomorrow, I am about to take off to work, and it is what I call the gauntlet. I will end up working nearly 16 hours in the next 24 hours.

[Honest Abel]

NS, here's why telling us who you'll jail makes sense: telling us who you'll jail makes your ability an investigative ability rather than a blocking ability. The mafia won't target who you jail (they're likely going to target you), but we will learn that someone is innocent or not. The alternative is taking a chance at protecting somebody, which just doesn't seem worth the risk.

Xeras, it's a date.

[DarkClaymore]

Gee, NS

. Do I have to make big text EVERY TIME I address you?
Anyway: answer my follow up questions.

[Honest Abel]

DC, relax.

[DarkClaymore]

DC, relax.

The guy isn't reading the thread properly or is taking him time searching for a good defense. Just saying.

[Nobody Special]

Also, why cop wouldn't hammer but VT would? The only role in this game who is useless during night - is VT. I can easily see cop hammering for the sake of using his night action. Whereas VT actually have no reason to hammer too early.

I'm not saying that a VT would or wouldn't have ahmmered; I'm just saying that his hammer struck me as off, and odd, and scummy.



Okay, look: If I say I'm going to target HA, and I do, and no one dies, it does not confirm him as town. Does everyone see this?

[Honest Abel]

Your jailing only confirms someone as town if someone else dies. If nobody dies that doesn't say anything about that person's alignment, but it is a good thing for town that nobody else was killed. What's the disadvantage?

[Honest Abel]

We win either way as long as you tell us who you're jailing.

[Honest Abel]

Not win the game, but we come out ahead.

[Nobody Special]

Your jailing only confirms someone as town if someone else dies. If nobody dies that doesn't say anything about that person's alignment, but it is a good thing for town that nobody else was killed.

What's the disadvantage?

The disadvantgae is that if we don't lynch you (IMO) and mislynch, we're no closer than today in finding scum, except we have one person we know wasn't.

I'd still rather lynch you now and get it over with.

unvote

Vote: Honest Abel

[DarkClaymore]

Also, why cop wouldn't hammer but VT would? The only role in this game who is useless during night - is VT. I can easily see cop hammering for the sake of using his night action. Whereas VT actually have no reason to hammer too early.

I'm not saying that a VT would or wouldn't have ahmmered; I'm just saying that his hammer struck me as off, and odd, and scummy.

Then you should have gone after him from the

very beginning

to the

very end

. Why you wanted to lynch other players so much in the middle if you already convinced yourself Cav is scum?

There were many times you said we should lynch X or Y but not Cav (you wanted Whilst's lynch quite strongly if memory serves right). Not to mention the reason you presented there against Cav was the one existing from the beginning of D2. You brought it in the very end in order to counter the cop claim when it was already addressed and, to some degree, "accepted" a long time before that.

[Honest Abel]

NS, what the fuck are you talking about? If we mislynch today, we will know one more person is town from that, and if you tell us who you target and someone else is killed, we know two more townies that way. Or, if you're killed, we will know a townie and that you are actually jailkeeper. That's three townies revealed, worse-case scenario. How is that no closer to finding scum? Wouldn't you rather take a chance at actually lynching scum than lynching me based on your inane conclusion that I must be scum because no nightkill happened when you blocked me?

You are a colossal fucking idiot for claiming early and are severely hampering our chances at winning. I have no desire to play a game with you again even if we end up winning.

[Nobody Special]

You're right.

Okay, I will be jailing Honest Abel tonight.

I really don't think I'll die, because I'm blocking scum.

But we'll see.

unvote

Who do y'all want to lynch?

[Honest Abel]

Jeez, NS, I just wrote up this whole speech damning you all and washing my hands of this game, but you beat me to unvoting, which is commendable.

I don't see why we shouldn't continue with whilst. NS, what is the protocol when someone is threatened with a hammer and told to claim, and they refuse to claim? Anything? He's not at L-1 anymore, but what's your take on that situation?

[Nobody Special]

I think his refusal to claim is at best anti-town; at worst, scummy. I'm rather blinded by my OMGSCUM view of you, sorry; I'm tunneling and I'm finally realizing it.

Let's go for whilst. He's had every opportunity to claim, and he just won't.

Maybe he's newbscum who can't think up an adequate fakeclaim.

Vote: whilst

That's probably L-1 again.

@Mod: Votecount, please?

[DarkClaymore]

NS

this

[Nobody Special]

Okay, DC, but my recollection of that is different than yours. I'd have to go back and re-read pretty much the entire Day in question to refute it or not; can this wait till tomorrow, if I'm still alive?

[Honest Abel]

So if you jail me and someone is killed, most likely you, to be honest, I will be cleared. That's fine. It doesn't help me in the slightest, but if other people seriously think I could be scum despite my protown performance thus far, then so be it.

If you jail me and nobody is killed, let's just consider whether or not it would be a good move for scum not to nightkill before jumping to any conclusions. Pros, cons, anyone?

[Nobody Special]

You really enjoy wine, don't you.