Post Apocalyptic Mafia - Mini 1226: Over!

[Zajnet]

I hope to god that Fate is being facetious.

But VOTE: CSL because you hosted the first game I played here.

[Zajnet]

I'm referring to the all-caps, attacking nature of his posts.

[Zajnet]

Actually, VOTE: Slaxx for an incorrect signature.

[Zajnet]

In ignorance of you and Fate, at least for now...

[Zajnet]

No, just annoying. And I don't play mafia to be annoyed. That's what real life is for.

[Zajnet]

Wait, what? Voting the mod was a joke because his signature is incorrect. Votes for the mod are never counted barring a bastard game or something...

And I didn't vote for Fate because I didn't see him as scummy, just incredibly annoying.

And if you want to see how experienced I am, the wiki button below my avatar will show you. I'm fairly well experienced, but I'm not by any means a good player, lol.

[Zajnet]

Calling Wraith scum for declaring V/LA and posting elsewhere is just lazy scumhunting.

I don't like how CSL is lurking and whatnot. I don't know if I've ever even played a game with him, but from his modding and general posting elsewhere, lurking doesn't sit right with me. I also don't like his "preliminary gut read" on Fate and his vote on SaM.

[Zajnet]

EBWODP: Forgot to

VOTE: CSL

[Zajnet]

Would someone please explain why you think Gaoth is scum?

[Zajnet]

I'll be

V/LA

until Sunday evening because I just found out that I won't have internet on my retreat this weekend.

[Zajnet]

I'm back from my retreat.

I still really don't like CSL, but I will acknowledge that it could very well be RL stuff causing the lurking and otherwise feeling off to me.

As for Wraith, I don't think he's prod-dodging or anything, but he still seems scummy to me ignoring that.

I'll give CSL the benefit of the doubt for now and:

VOTE: Wraith

[Zajnet]

@Fate: Why do you think Wraith is town? I see that who and why you think is town, but why, specifically, do you think that Wraith isn't scum?

[Zajnet]

lol

Confirm Vote: Wraith

[Zajnet]

Well what a spot he's put us in. If we ask for a counterclaim, we risk outing the real doc. If we don't, we risk lynching the doc if he's telling the truth.

@Fate: Don't discount that Timeater could be moving in for the mislynch if xvart really is the doc. But yes, Timeater looks kinda scummy here.

[Zajnet]

Maybe I misread his statement then, in which case it would be really terrible fear mongering.

I thought he was claiming doc >.>

[Zajnet]

I actually read the entire wall, and I find it to be a town-motivated post. I think you're probably right about Palisade, but I don't know if its worth lynching an un-CCd Cop D1. However, I don't find AV particularly scummy. I can understand his motivation for the Wraith / me thing (although, clearly he's wrong about me, but not everyone can have perfect reads all of the time).

Just to confirm, xvart, you weren't claiming doc were you?

[Zajnet]

So I was going to post about whether I thought we should lynch Wraith or CSL today. Then I realized something.

@AurorusVox: You got some explaining to do.

Hindu, you're correct.
Wraith is one of them. Zajnet is another.

Third could be ???

Wraith I'm sure on: just look at how many people ON THAT VERY LIST are saying "oh, Wraith is scummy but I won't vote him, I'll vote SOMEONE ELSE"

Nico has him as third scummiest. He votes CSL.
Zajnet calls him scum. He votes CSL.
Diddin "could" vote Wraith. He votes CSL.
CSL doesn't mention Wraith yet (>_>) and Pallisade is just lol.

Add Timeaster changing off Wraith to get on Nico
Fate voting him then loldropping it with Wraith's excuse post
Gaoth saying Wraith is scum but voting Nico

xvart gets off Wraith too (agree xvart is town, his hop off is the most protown one so far)
And now you're teasing me and saying he's scum but not voting for him...


Guarantee Wraith is scum since almost all of those interactions stink and he's at the centre of it all.

Thanks for the colossal misrep. It will keep me from getting NKd because otherwise I might be the towniest damn person here.

Calling Wraith scum for declaring V/LA and posting elsewhere is just lazy scumhunting.

I don't like how CSL is lurking and whatnot. I don't know if I've ever even played a game with him, but from his modding and general posting elsewhere, lurking doesn't sit right with me. I also don't like his "preliminary gut read" on Fate and his vote on SaM.

EBWODP: Forgot to

VOTE: CSL

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Been thinking about it for a minute, and I can understand where your mistake might have come from. I don't think it was an intentional misrep, but a misreading caused by the unbelievably ambiguous nature of American English.

Calling Wraith scum for declaring V/LA and posting elsewhere is just lazy scumhunting.

I see where you might think that I'm saying that I'm calling Wraith scum for reasons, but actually, if you read carefully, you'll notice that I'm actually saying that Fate is lazy in his scumhunting of Wraith. I don't find Wraith scummy until several days later, after my V/LA.

[Zajnet]

AV is still trying way to hard. CSL and AV are buddies.

VOTE: CSL

[Zajnet]

Did I just hammer? Fuck.

[Zajnet]

UNVOTE: CSL

Waiting for claim.

[Zajnet]

Policy votes are a waste of a lynch that should be used to find scum.

The fact that you want a scummy as fuck player to be alive and watching a townie fall speaks volumes of how fucking terrible this lynch is, and I'm not saying this for self-preservation either.

And just so you know, I'm not doing "FUCKALL" this game.

I sheeped you because I have a townread on you. That is not scummy.

And Regfan is town.

I love how there's not a claim here.

[Zajnet]

VOTE: CSL

[Zajnet]

Policy votes are a waste of a lynch that should be used to find scum.

The fact that you want a scummy as fuck player to be alive and watching a townie fall speaks volumes of how fucking terrible this lynch is, and I'm not saying this for self-preservation either.

And just so you know, I'm not doing "FUCKALL" this game.

I sheeped you because I have a townread on you. That is not scummy.

And Regfan is town.

I love how there's not a claim here.

...

Policy votes are a waste of a lynch that should be used to find scum.

The fact that you want a scummy as fuck player to be alive and watching a

townie

fall speaks volumes of how fucking terrible this lynch is, and I'm not saying this for self-preservation either.

And just so you know, I'm not doing "FUCKALL" this game.

I sheeped you because I have a townread on you. That is not scummy.

And Regfan is town.

So your claim is as a "townie?"

[Zajnet]

I really did not expect CSL to flip town. Oh well.

Palisade and xvart are on the chopping block today. I too am waiting for Palisade to post.

[Zajnet]

You're all fucking stupid.

There's no way Pally would fakeclaim Cop early and fake a guilty

, it's stupid for scum to make a 1:1 trade like that. Fate, you're scum this game, and I regret sending you presents. Lynch AV, and if he flips town,lynch Palasade. If AV is scum,

Palasade could still be scum

but we can deal with him later. Scum also don't like locking themselves in a claim D1. LYNCH AV, THEN FATE, DIDDIN BRIGADE.

Vote: AurorousVox

I love the direct contradiction here.

However, the important part here is that lynching AV is correct, but we can't clear Palisade even if AV flips guilty.

VOTE: AV

[Zajnet]

^^ In a post that includes AtE and a shoddy case in which he names a scum team based around similar reads and a mutual read on Nico with regards to his meta, Wraith neither votes for any of his scum suspects nor does he choose to no lynch as Magua has suggested.

So, if i'm reading this right, Wraith has

read magua's post and

realized its potentially mylo, has stepped up his game from no content to wall posts, and wants his case to get started on a townie but not actually start the wagon....

Vote: Wraith

I'm comfortable with a straight up /barn of this post.

VOTE: Wraith

[Zajnet]

Also, this may be the first time I have seen someone put themselves on a reads list.

I see it all of the time. Complete and utter null tell.

The recent interchange between Wraith and Gaoth actually feels town v. town to me (just a gut feeling, don't really know how to explain it).

UNVOTE: Wraith

[Zajnet]

I'll be rereading over the weekend. I particularly want to reread D1 and the CSL wagon and see if I can't find a scum or two...

[Zajnet]

This is a terrible reason for claiming today. If there is no advantage to no lynching today there is no advantage to claiming today and to say otherwise is ludicrous. If you are really going to make the case for claiming today you need to make the case instead of just saying "I think I know what roles are in the game and if I'm correct..."

Claiming today allows the opportunity to parse over the claims and deal with any potential counter-claims while we likely have a mslynch rather than leaving it until tomorrow, furthermore I have the ability to protect and state that I'm protecting between whatever power role claims we gain today increasing the likelihood of a mslynch being gained if mafia attempt to shoot between them rather than towards me.

If Diddins last power is for instance a vig-shot or a cop ability we can organize how best to use it if claimed meaning there's minimal disadvantages from it occurring, further him not stating what it is leads towards potential for it being given to mafia and them denying they have it or lying about what it is.

Since he's already been outted I think Diddin should claim who he targeted last night with whatever invention he created and whether or not he would know if he got role blocked. Actually

, I think before he claims anyone who received something last night should claim that first.

I'm still not sure why you claimed the ability you received.

We're not lynching Wraith today, we're lynching Xvart and if the above quote doesn't prove that he's mafia I don't know what the fuck will.

Nice catch. I hadn't really seen xvart as super scummy until this, but he just jumped up to the gallows.

Hey guys, what if Xvart is scum with Regfan? That would explain why he went from being "claim nao" to "why'd you claim?" Regfan probably wouldn't have been told that he received a gift until the end of night, so assuming that the scum don't have daytalk, he wouldn't have been able to tell xvart.
This is just a random theory though, Regfan has been pretty towny all game.

VOTE: Xvart

[Zajnet]

Or, you know, xvart + Regfan...

[Zajnet]

Why are you so sure there are 3 scum Wraith?

This. If we have 3 scum, Wraith is probably one of them.

[Zajnet]

Refugee.

Patronizing fearmongering does not score highly on the town-meter.

VOTE: Wraith

[Zajnet]

xvart-Wraith or Regfan-Wraith

Possibly xvart-Regfan, but I consider that unlikely.

[Zajnet]

Yeah I don't really know why, call it a gut feeling?

[Zajnet]

Herp derp.

You know, saying that you're doing it to see what happens negates the impact.

Not to mention that we are about 36 hours away from deadline, but I guess that's not super relevant since it's plurality lynching.

I would like to know what you "noticed" so I can defend myself.

[Zajnet]

Because he's flailing scum. He sees me as the easiest to get lynched, so he's parking his vote on me hoping that enough of y'all decide to vote me that it saves his ass.

[Zajnet]

Oh noes, you caught me. I'm ignoring a vote on me, therefore I'm scum.


Or, you know, I could just not be overly concerned about a PoE vote on me that I know is wrong. I can't defend against a PoE vote, especially when it's so thin. Magua has provided no reasoning as to why he can't see a Wraith-xvart pairing, or why he reads Nico as town.

[Zajnet]

Heh, thanks for making this easy for me Reg, much appreciated. Zaj/xvart scumteam confirmed.

Withholding vote for now in case we have anything else to iron out today.

That's funny, because I thought it was Nico/xvart.

Guess we'll find out soon enough.

[Zajnet]

It's times like these when I wish I was a better player.

VOTE: Nico

@Diddin: if you're somehow scum, I'm going to be so depressed...

[Zajnet]

I believe I called 0 of the scum this game.

I need to get better at this game >.>