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Post Post #1625 (ISO) » Wed Aug 24, 2011 2:20 pm

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shaft.ed wrote:I told you I'm not letting mastin off the hook no matter how much you want to claim for him

IMHO 3 Doc saves >>> 2 Doc Saves + Saulus

Also Why are you ruling out successful RB's farside?


I'm not I still think there are 2 scum left in the game.

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Post Post #1626 (ISO) » Wed Aug 24, 2011 2:28 pm

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Porochaz wrote:Can anyone else beyond Regfan or Llamarble give me a reason not to vote Llamarble?


Sure.

Day 2 I told everyone I RB'ed Llamafluff. Amrun see's the claim, however does not vote for him. Any scum worth their salt would have voted for their scum buddy right then and there instead of being wish washy, contradicting himself and then voting him after the fact of saying oh he was RB and he's reading scummy now.

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Post Post #1627 (ISO) » Wed Aug 24, 2011 2:34 pm

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Thats giving some scum credit to amrun there though... I see the point but Im not swayed by it...
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Post Post #1628 (ISO) » Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:01 pm

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Porochaz wrote:Thats giving some scum credit to amrun there though... I see the point but Im not swayed by it...


Tell me this. Besides the fact he was RB'ed night 1, what makes Llama scummy in your view?
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Post Post #1629 (ISO) » Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:03 pm

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the word conftown. I hate it. Also its a personal scumtell, confirming townies that aren't.

I dislike the whole riding the Fate train.

Also, and you are allowed to hate me for this. Gut.
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Post Post #1630 (ISO) » Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:07 pm

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Porochaz-town is starting to grow on me very much and I actually surprisingly agree with Farsides reasoning for Llaramble being town plus Shafted is still obvtown. This is all between Mastin and Elibereth really.

@ Farside -
Trust me, I understand your two scum remaining paranoia given how the nights have occurred but I still don't agree with it. Just please answer me the one question. Do you really believe that with just Tracker, Roleblocker and Doctor in the setup there's four scum including a scum janitor? Yes or no?
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Post Post #1631 (ISO) » Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:11 pm

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Porochaz wrote:the word conftown. I hate it. Also its a personal scumtell, confirming townies that aren't.

I dislike the whole riding the Fate train.

Also, and you are allowed to hate me for this. Gut.


Nah I don't hate you.

I just find your reasoning weak. What's your thoughts on Regfan's case with Elli ?


Do you really believe that with just Tracker, Roleblocker and Doctor in the setup there's four scum including a scum janitor? Yes or no?


No that would be admittedly mafia sided if those were the only PR's for town.
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Post Post #1632 (ISO) » Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:24 pm

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farside22 wrote:No that would be admittedly mafia sided if those were the only PR's for town.

Awesome. Glad you can agree on this much. If we mass-claimed and there's no other PR claims or one more incredibly weak one VP would be clear. Lets say we then lynched Mastin today and he flipped town who would your two biggest suspects be?
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Post Post #1633 (ISO) » Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:29 pm

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farside22 wrote:No that would be admittedly mafia sided if those were the only PR's for town.

Awesome. Glad you can agree on this much. If we mass-claimed and there's no other PR claims or one more incredibly weak one VP would be clear. Lets say we then lynched Mastin today and he flipped town who would your two biggest suspects be?


If there was only one scum left then I would say leaning scum on either:
Shaft or Elli.

I don't see Shaft as obv as you do. The obvious town is you, me, LM and Spring.
If there is only one scum left like you assume then obv town is VBP and Porochaz (you really need to get off about a ninja).
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Post Post #1634 (ISO) » Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:35 pm

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@ Farside -
Yeah, I know I need to stop considering mafia ninja (Well Poro being it anyway). It was mostly paranoia and remaining suspicion on him but logic and his recent posts make me lean towards him being town very heavily. I'm still waiting for these doc saves to be outted but I think this is won, Mastin or Eli today, the other tomorrow for game over.
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Post Post #1635 (ISO) » Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:48 pm

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Regfan wrote:
@ Farside -
Yeah, I know I need to stop considering mafia ninja (Well Poro being it anyway). It was mostly paranoia and remaining suspicion on him but logic and his recent posts make me lean towards him being town very heavily. I'm still waiting for these doc saves to be outted but I think this is won, Mastin or Eli today, the other tomorrow for game over.


Oh have you figured out why Mastin voted for you?
I'll give you my opinion on it.

I think he did it as a sort of fuck you to you. See you have been saying he's reads are always awful, however he had Elli on his scum list and here you are voting Elli while criticizing his reads.

I actually found the vote humorous. Which is why I'm asking for people to give their reads and reasons.
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Post Post #1636 (ISO) » Wed Aug 24, 2011 7:55 pm

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farside22 wrote:Any scum worth their salt

wouldn't claim a non-existent power role in a semi-open game

Finished your sentence more accurately
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Post Post #1637 (ISO) » Wed Aug 24, 2011 8:00 pm

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@ Shafted -
It's actually a role that
can
be in the game. Read the definition of vig in the flash. It has just been a lot more fun pretending she failed massively all this time though but if we're going to start attacking reasoning behind reads due to it there's no point continuing the lol-impossible-role-claim charade.
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Post Post #1638 (ISO) » Wed Aug 24, 2011 8:21 pm

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glad you bring this up now
Regfan wrote:Too tired to respond to Amrum properly but 1-shot vig isn't in the role list, she's confirmed mafia. Lets get this going.
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Post Post #1639 (ISO) » Wed Aug 24, 2011 8:23 pm

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@ Shafted -
Yeah, I only noticed myself yesterday (Potentially the day before, memory is slightly hazy) when I was reading through the roles looking to see if there was something that prevented all night-kills, also the time when I was reading into mafia ninja ect.
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Post Post #1640 (ISO) » Wed Aug 24, 2011 8:49 pm

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Was about to post my case on Regfan, but figured I should catch up on my reading first. When I saw this.
Regfan can't be scum because there are no tracking roles that are scum aligned.
When I saw this, I thought "LIAR!"
I could've sworn it was there.
I checked.
I double-checked.

I triple-checked, since I could've SWORN I saw it there.

...But I couldn't find it.


WHICH MEANS I WASTED THREE EFFING DAYS WORKING ON A CASE AGAINST CONFIRMED TOWN. >_< (/Rage.)

Unvote, VOTE: VPBaltar
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I think people who are saying four scum is impossible need to reconsider just how strong a tracker, a doctor, AND a roleblocker are for the town. A tracker gives the town an information role. A doctor and a roleblocker give not one, but TWO ways to shut down scum nightkills. Combined, they elongate the game and potentially allow for the tracker to confirm all three at an absolute minimum.

Seriously, there's just no way janitor is THAT strong of a scumrole to be expected to carry a 3P scumteam against that kind of strength. When Janitor quite frankly doesn't counter the strength of two preventative roles at all. Mafia NEED a fourth member, since it's the ONLY way to counteract such a strong town. With a fourth member, their kill pool is narrowed down, their roleblock pool is larger (making it harder for a successful kill stop), and they have less risk of getting caught by the tracker. It fits into the setup perfectly.

Eff pure numbers. In general, sure, they're a good guide, but they ignore CONTEXT. Account for ROLES in your calculations, and you realize the game makes no sense with anything LESS than two scum left.

As I pointed out. Tracker in combination with two roles to shut down NKs? There's no way the mod would NOT have predicted just how gamebreakingly powerful that would be for the town with only four scum. It's an incredibly powerful combination, and therefore would need an incredibly powerful counter.


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Post Post #1641 (ISO) » Wed Aug 24, 2011 8:51 pm

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EditBWOP wrote:There's no way the mod would NOT have predicted just how gamebreakingly powerful that would be for the town with only
four
three
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Post Post #1642 (ISO) » Wed Aug 24, 2011 8:56 pm

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@ Mastin -
If VPBaltar is scum he
has
to have a partner being one of Llarmable, Elibereth, Porochaz, Shafted and yourself. Assuming you're town you have a one in four shot of nailing his partner, proving that there's four scum and making tracker and roleblocker completely effective. Assuming that there is only one mafia left and this is some town sided setup which I don't think Tracker + Doc + RB is vs Jan + 2 more scum is then one of those four would be the final mafia. Essentially we should be lynching in the pool, not VPBaltar so kindly unvote and actually start stating your thoughts on those four.

PS: Shafted, you can claim now.
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Post Post #1643 (ISO) » Wed Aug 24, 2011 8:57 pm

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VPBaltar (who replaced DrippingGoofball) <--SCUM.
Ellibereth <--Suspect.
Llamarble <--Minor suspect.
Springlullaby (who replaced Ythill) <--Town-read.
Porochaz <--Leaning towards second scum, actually.
Farside <--Confirmed town.
shaft.ed (who replaced crypto) <--Town-read.
Regfan <--Confirmed town.

Four names.
Poro's still in there, since if Porochaz and VPBaltar are a scumteam, farside blocking VPBaltar sending in the kill would naturally mean Porochaz did not visit anyone since he left his buddy to do it for him.
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Post Post #1644 (ISO) » Wed Aug 24, 2011 8:59 pm

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Regfan wrote:
@ Mastin -
If VPBaltar is scum he
has
to have a partner being one of Llarmable, Elibereth, Porochaz, Shafted and yourself. Assuming you're town you have a one in four shot of nailing his partner, proving that there's four scum and making tracker and roleblocker completely effective. Assuming that there is only one mafia left and this is some town sided setup which I don't think Tracker + Doc + RB is vs Jan + 2 more scum is then one of those four would be the final mafia. Essentially we should be lynching in the pool, not VPBaltar so kindly unvote and actually start stating your thoughts on those four.

PS: Shafted, you can claim now.
I fail to follow your thought process. I literally don't see what you're saying here.
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Post Post #1645 (ISO) » Wed Aug 24, 2011 9:00 pm

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But, yeah. I'm quite confident this game is a guaranteed town win. There's pretty much no way for us to lose at this point.
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Post Post #1646 (ISO) » Wed Aug 24, 2011 9:01 pm

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@ Mastin -
I'll make it easy for you. If there's four mafia VP HAS to have a partner. IF there's three mafia VP is town. So no matter what one of those other names are mafia. So vote one of them instead of VP.
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Post Post #1647 (ISO) » Wed Aug 24, 2011 9:10 pm

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Ah.

Unvote, VOTE: Porochaz
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Post Post #1648 (ISO) » Wed Aug 24, 2011 9:32 pm

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VPB obviously not the right lynch for today
farside also is not confirmed town
Possibility of 3rd party non-killing role negates fourth scumteam member and balances the setup IMHO as its a "wasted" lynch for town

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Post Post #1649 (ISO) » Wed Aug 24, 2011 9:48 pm

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@ Shafted -
What's your read on Mastin and Elibereth at the moment?

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