Newbie 1151 ÔÇô Game Over

[racerman13]

I can say this with confidence: If Lord/M is town, then Xeras is scum.

[Xeras]

I can say this with confidence: If Lord/M is town, then Xeras is scum.

Going for the double mislynch eh?
This reeks of scumminess.

[Krazy]

The person who hammered Lord is now calling him a mislynch. I got that right, Xeras?

[Xeras]

If post 225 = true,
then post 226 = true.

However if lord is scum... then... I am not sure who to go after... possibly epsilon?

[Ranmaru]

Xeras, currently who are your top suspects? Is lord suspicious to you? Tell me WHEN, lord became suspicious to you.

Ok top three scumpicks for me.

Lord, Krazy, Xeras.

Xeras, your hammer was scummy to me because I have never seen you express suspicions of Lord. Only as omgus "Oh you seem to be trying hard to be town". Only thing is that scum wouldn't really hammer like that because it would be suicide, and that's going against their wincon. Also using self-meta when considering hammering is scummy to me, since Isa has said you have done this before as scum. Thus, you saying "I am compulsive" is null and there is no reason to state it. If Lord flips scum, there is LITTLE chance of Xeras being scum. It is possible he did that to bus a buddy, but that would put him at the hot seat for the rest of the game.

Krazy, I didn't like his push on Stels for voting Lord for 'buddying'. Krazy then stated that he felt Lord's buddying to him was that of a town manner, but that wouldn't mean Stels was scum for attacking him. It would just mean he was wrong. I feel Krazy was FORCED to push on Stels since he couldn't push on any of Lord/Ran/Epsilon/Racerman/Xeras because we were quite active, so he was pre-accusing the inactive slot to look like he was genuinely looking for scum. He is the least suspicious, but he should be kept under close eye if I am gone.

Lord is my top suspect. I think he was very aggresive, which is good and I like, but he was so aggressive with his early pick that he forgot to focus on WHY he thought Xeras was scum. He kept pushing on his scumpick when it seemed he explained Lord's issue, but then Xeras was still scum to him. This still looks to me like a fake scumread, and Lord was trying to play the part of 'super scumhunter', without the script. If Lord flips scum, I do find it possible Xeras and Lord planning to bus each other from the very start. This way, it would clear the other after a lynch. This is a very risky gambit, with a high gain IF people believed it. Consider this if I'm gone.

This is last minute content. More in a bit.

[Ranmaru]

Xeras, you state you voted him because you didn't want to deal with a replacement. But, you already were having trouble reading him, seeing as how you had him as null, and wouldn't bother reading him because of his alt shenanigans.

See, I could understand this because my scumreads became townreads upon a replacement coming in [my first newb game]. Now, you never were suspicious of him, so that isn't the case. A replacement, would HELP you read that slot. Essentially, you'd vote him because you wouldn't want a replacement from messing up your scumread, of that you had NONE. So I don't really see how this HELPED you, or HELPED us.

Now tell me, how does this help YOU, and/or US?

[Ranmaru]

WTF? How am i confirmed town?

Johhog, mainly for Xeras's incredibly baseless attacks. But now, I will

Unvote

. Now, it's like 50/50 between lord and xeras. OMGUS is a scumtell.

Keep this in mind.

[Krazy]

WTF? How am i confirmed town?

Johhog, mainly for Xeras's incredibly baseless attacks. But now, I will

Unvote

. Now, it's like 50/50 between lord and xeras. OMGUS is a scumtell.

Keep this in mind.

What about it should we be keeping in mind?

[Ranmaru]

The first line.

[Ranmaru]

If post 225 = true,
then post 226 = true.

However if lord is scum... then... I am not sure who to go after... possibly epsilon?

Yet you have forgotten your suspicion of Racerman? And of Jeffie? (I don't see if you got a different read on Johog)

What are your reads on them now?

[Xeras]

I strongly believe racerman is scum. ^^

[Ranmaru]

Re-state your reasoning for your Racerman read.

Also what did you think of my #230?

[Krazy]

Consider this if I'm gone.

I find that scum like to foreground the possibility that they will be nightkilled in twilight. I do admit that you've been listed as "likely town" by a mystifying number of players (a phenomenon I have concerns about in more than one regard).

You're still null as far as I'm concerned. Just because we seem to have a lot of nuts players who are happy to hammer early for extremely poor reasoning doesn't mean you're town simply for being sane. I find it improbable that you'd be scum with Lord, though, in the remote chance that he does flip scum.

As for my pressure on Stels, wagoning for poor reasons is almost the archetype of scum behavior, so I do not always take it that people are just "wrong" when they use poor reasons to join a wagon.

[Johhog]

RAGE. Xeras! I... I... well, let's hope that Lord was scum.

[Lord]

Ok, so I died. Awesome.

Just wanted to say this. All my reads in this game were genuine and I'm sorry if they gave a wrong impression.

Xeras is town. If there is a cop, then please, PLEASE investigate Johhog.

That's it. Bye.

[Krazy]

Well I suppose that means at least he wasn't cop.

[Lord]

Ok, people, another advice.

If you ARE a PR, then day 1 you should claim at L-1, even if NOBODY tells you to.

In other news, Krazy is sad because he shot and missed. Poor scummie.

[Lord]

Also, please notice the activity overview.

Xeras has about as many posts as me, Ranmaru, and Krazy (this is without adding up stray Merposts), but about a quarter the content. This is usually a town sign.

[Johhog]

Ok, so I died. Awesome.

Just wanted to say this. All my reads in this game were genuine and I'm sorry if they gave a wrong impression.

Xeras is town.

If there is a cop, then please, PLEASE investigate Johhog.

That's it. Bye.

No town would suggest that. The cop decides himself. I have nothing against being investigated, but it's the cop's own choice.

[Lord]

That does not apply in newbie games and opens, for obvious reasons.

There are no Godfathers, no Framers, and no Paranoid Gun Owners. Therefore mafia gain nothing from directing the cop. As opposed to town.

[Johhog]

Huh? What has that to do with my point? If you aren't the cop, you shouldn't be directing the cop unless it's special circumstances. The cop decides himself. The cop is a player with his own brain.

[Ranmaru]

Consider this if I'm gone.

I find that scum like to foreground the possibility that they will be nightkilled in twilight. I do admit that you've been listed as "likely town" by a mystifying number of players (a phenomenon I have concerns about in more than one regard).

You're still null as far as I'm concerned. Just because we seem to have a lot of nuts players who are happy to hammer early for extremely poor reasoning doesn't mean you're town simply for being sane. I find it improbable that you'd be scum with Lord, though, in the remote chance that he does flip scum.

As for my pressure on Stels,

wagoning for poor reasons is almost the archetype of scum behavior

, so I do not always take it that people are just "wrong" when they use poor reasons to join a wagon.

That point is null. What is your point in your second sentence? If you have concerns, then state them.

Ok? So? What's the point in stating that? Why haven't you ever stated this before? You have never really addressed me, or try to gauge my motivation. If I am null, you should be trying to read me, ask me questions, etc. The only 'interesting' thing you listed about me was my vote on Lord, which you said "something I am still reflecting on". You state that my reasoning for voting lord was his vote on Xeras, which was not true. Voting is fine, it was him forgetting to focus on his REASONS which was scummy. Got to back those up. It seemed fake. Either way, you never really pointed it out again.

If you find me as null, why haven't you challenged the players who had me as town with their reasoning as to why?

[Isa]

in the remote chance that he does flip scum.

Explain why you voted for Lord and after the hammer, it's suddenly a remote chance that he'll flip scum. Xeras doesn't believe he found scum, alright, but you DID put him at L-1 and I don't think you'd do that if you don't believe said person is scummy.

[Uite]

• Day 1 Final Votecount
  
  
  
  [

  5

  ]

  Lord

  ~

  Ranmaru

  ,

  Stels

  ,

  Johhog

  ,

  Krazy

  ,

  Xeras
  
  [
  2
  ]
  Xeras
  ~
  Epsilon_Andrew
  ,
  Isa
  
  [
  1
  ]
  Johhog
  ~
  Lord
  
  
  
  Not voting:
  
  
  racerman13

Lord

has been lynched; he was a

Vanilla Townie

.

It is now Night 1. Deadline for actions is Sunday, 28^th of August 2011, at 14:29 CEST (UTC+2)

[Uite]

Johhog

has been killed Night 1. He was a

Vanilla Townie

• Votecount 2.0
  
  
  
  Not voting:
  
  
  Epsilon_Andrew
  ,
  Isa
  ,
  Krazy
  ,
  racerman13
  ,
  Ranmaru
  ,
  Stels
  ,
  Xeras
  
  
  
• With
  7
  alive, it takes
  4
  to lynch
  
• Deadline for Day 2 is Sunday, 18^th of September 2011, at 14:28 CEST (UTC+2)
  
• Stels
  is V/LA till Monday
  
• Ranmaru
  is LA during the hurricane