Scummies 2011 Nominations

[Twistedspoon]

tbqh, Amrun has that category won anyways

[Lady Lambdadelta]

tbqh, Amrun has that category won anyways

... That's always lovely to hear considering that I think I'm every bit as good as Amrun.

But I digress.

[Katsuki]

All that said, maybe we should start awarding "Best Newbie" on a semi-annual basis (first half/second half). Actually give the award when the scummy first half committee makes their decisions. That'll make the Best Newbie award mean sometime more anyway as the player who holds that award will actually BE really new rather than be, in internet time, a fairly experienced player.

That probably would solve the problem.

Tans argument was fail, and to top it off one of those lines of argument that drive me insane. "There will always be complaints therefore all complaints are automatically invalid" is the height of bad reasoning.

Lets solve it another way too.

Nominate Lady Lambdadelta for Most Improved Player

Since she's not a newbie. That should get nthed in about 12 seconds

2nd

She's come a long long way since her first and second game onsite.

[xRECKONERx]

3rd LLD for Most Improved Player

Amrun will lock up best newbie IMO

[Oversoul]

tbqh, Amrun has that category won anyways

... That's always lovely to hear considering that I think I'm every bit as good as Amrun.

But I digress.

Just take your scummy and be happy.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

tbqh, Amrun has that category won anyways

... That's always lovely to hear considering that I think I'm every bit as good as Amrun.

But I digress.

Just take your scummy and be happy.

[CSL]

Nth LLD for Most Improved Player

[Oversoul]

tbqh, Amrun has that category won anyways

... That's always lovely to hear considering that I think I'm every bit as good as Amrun.

But I digress.

Just take your scummy and be happy.

Nth LLD for Most Improved Player

^

[Feysal]

... That's always lovely to hear considering that I think I'm every bit as good as Amrun.

Likewise.

What an interesting debate you have here. And of course, once GreyICE butts in, he acts unduly hostile while butchering his own argument.

GreyICE, what Lady Lambdadelta said was that having an arbitrary cutoff date for nominations is the problem. Moving that date to an arbitrary different date does not solve anything. Either way, players who joined the site shortly before the cutoff date will not have equal opportunity of being considered for the newbie scummy. That is why your suggestion of moving the date to February or March does nothing to fix the problem, and tanstalas was correct to point that out. Next time I suggest that you think before you accuse someone else of failing.

Having read through the debate, I have my own idea for how the rules should be corrected, based on some of the suggestions already made.

1. Any player can be nominated for any game they

completed

during their first year of play.

Lady Lambdadelta said that all games joined by a player during their first year should be evaluated, but while this is perfectly fair in theory, it is impractical in reality. Nominations can only be made based on completed games, so it would make sense to me that only games completed within the first year should be eligible. Suppose the player joins a large theme game that runs for months, and is still ongoing when the judges have to make their decision? To avoid such troubles, only completed games should be considered.

2. Players can be eligible for the newbie scummy for two consecutive years at most.

Let's face it - having a cutoff date is necessary in practice. There must be a point after which no new nominations are accepted, so that judges can begin their work. To make this fair, players can be nominated for two consecutive years. Suppose you joined the site four months before the cutoff date in 2010? You can be nominated in 2010 for any game you completed before that cutoff date, or you can be nominated in 2011 for any game you completed during the eight months after the cutoff date. For the sake of simplicity, only one nomination should probably be allowed, so you can't be nominated again if you were not awarded a scummy the first time.

I rather like what zoraster suggested as well, namely that the newbie scummy could be awarded twice a year. In that case, players could be nominated for any game they completed within their first six months, and they would be eligible for their first two year halves. This way a player could only have been on the site for one year in the most extreme case before receiving the newbie scummy.

[Faraday]

I disagree with this nom. (Ignore any possible butthurt I may be feeling.) Scum were handed the win and were significantly helped by a couple of choice bits of luck. And even when they won it was because of a townsperson blunder.

But opinions are opinions. And they definitely had a great game.

I'd say the cult leader not shooting the claimed scum helped too.

[GreyICE]

Yes sorry I assumed watsd was well designed enough that your claim was impossible and having a scumread on you when you were the sk, feysal.

[SleepyKrew]

If we're setting a cutoff date for Newbies, make it Dec 31/Jan 1.
I agree that everyone should be allowed one full year experience.

[gandalf5166]

Yes sorry I assumed watsd was well designed enough that your claim was impossible and having a scumread on you when you were the sk, feysal.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

[Feysal]

Yes sorry I assumed watsd was well designed enough that your claim was impossible and having a scumread on you when you were the sk, feysal.

This has nothing to do with anything said in this thread.

[GreyICE]

'kay

[Starbuck]

If chamber added the multi-quote feature then

Nth

>_>

Nth on Chamber

[Starbuck]

If LLD joined in like June or July, I could see not letting her stand for Newbie. But exactly a month from the cutoff should be close enough to the actual cutoff date that she should count.

She has come along way and definitely deserves a chance at the Newbie Scummie.

[Ythan]

So you're saying the cutoff should be more of a "the actual cutoff is one month from here" thing.

[Starbuck]

I think there's a better way to do it. I like some of the ideas that have come from this (like having a person be eligible for the entirety of their first year on site and maybe into the second depending on when games end). I think the fact that her join date being 31 days from the current deadline is a crap reason for not letting her be eligible for the Newbie Scummie.

Brotherhood of the Wolf (the game she was nominated for) started on Jan 15th, 2011 and ended on March 1st, 2011. Her join date is August 31, 2010. She started playing that game around her 5 1/2 month mark of being on the site and finished it at her 7 month mark. I believe that's perfectly able to be nominated for the Newbie Scummie.

It's time for that deadline to change. How many others have been looked over because of this?

[animorpherv1]

IMO, Newbie Scummie shouldn't be based on join date, but end date of first game played. Because until then you can't really nominate them for a best Newbie Scummie anyways.

[zoraster]

IMO, Newbie Scummie shouldn't be based on join date, but end date of first game played. Because until then you can't really nominate them for a best Newbie Scummie anyways.

I think that's fair. Join date is problematic for exactly this reason. Especially given how long it sometimes takes to authorize a player, I could easily see it taking a month before they even start a game, much less finish one.

[Empking]

IMO, Newbie Scummie shouldn't be based on join date, but end date of first game played. Because until then you can't really nominate them for a best Newbie Scummie anyways.

That's more work for roughly zero benefit.

[PeregrineV]

I would like to nominate Magua for this:

"Smooth Operator" - for the "moderation" part of modding: vote counts, prodding, generally keeping the game running smoothly

For marketplace mafia: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 23&t=17937

The game days were the right length, the nights were the right length, and days and night began and ended at the given time, almost to the minute. After playing many games where that is not the case, if I jumped on at 11pm for 5 minutes to see who was NK because day starts at 11pm, the post was up.
The vote counts were frequent, and contained ALL relevant game info and mechanic info, and all mod message were clear and precise, without giving out too much information.

[zoraster]

2nd Magua

I know from experience how very complicated that type of game is to run, and it seems like he did a great job with it.

[SleepyKrew]

So the OP has a tilde before the Oct deadline. I read that as "about/approximately". Meaning LLD is fine.