glowball wrote:THEN the whole bit about walls being a STRONG TELL- I NEVER EVER said that, and I would challenge him to find a post where I did. He is putting words in my mouth and passing off assumptions as truth..
Challenge accepted. The following quote took me about five seconds to find, FYI.
glowball wrote:Okay, to address the adverse views on me not reading crap walls... we will just have to agree to disagree.
It actually has very little to do with my eyes or hating to read them, it has to do with the fact that people who use META to as an excuse to write walls are just trying to uphold that meta and it may actually have nothing to do with them being town or scum it's just meta for them.
Then there are the scumz who write long walls to look like they are contributing- and like I said I can tell by half way through whether this is the case or not.
The point- I am not going to read something if you don't make it a point to show me it's worth reading. I've see two types of walls so far:
1. Walls of back and forth arguments with quotes taking up half of the wall...
that's okay if you are responding, I get it- but you guys can definitely make an effort to neaten things up
2. Walls of commentary stretched out beyond belief.
I doubt that everyone writing these walls is scum
, which is why I said what I said...
Also, Saulres isn't necessarily newbtown- people thought the same thing of me in my newbie game. YES, Saulres may be new but you'd be surprised how much newbtown and newbscum can be confused. All that is certain is that he is new.
I'm still on V/LA, just popping in(because this freaking game is always on my brain), but
@Mod, I think you're confusing me with Supreme Overlord. It was me who announced the V/LA until tuesday
(The above quote is bolded by me.)
In response to Glowball's "purple quotes of me misrepping her".
-- The first one is a question.... All you had to do is say "nope". Also, this issue has already been addressed by others, and pretty sure if you have a vote on somebody the implication is... well, we've covered that one already.
--The second purple quote is also not a misrepresentation. See bolded one and bolded two. They kind of go hand in hand. If they don't, please explain that to me. If you feel like talking to me again. (And if so, why don't you answer that other question I asked you--this is the third time I'm asking, by the way.) Followed by bolded three, which says "I doubt everyone"... does this mean: A) "you doubt that every single person writing these walls is scum, and therefore must be town or null?" or does this mean: B) "I doubt that everyone here is scum, {implication=I also doubt that every single one of them is town}"? If we go with option 1, why aren't they falling into the category of scum writing walls to blend in, since "half of those walls is commentary stretched out beyond belief?" If we go with option 2, then there must be some scum writing walls, and since really the only walls being created at that point were from myself and Maruchan (not Saulres), why weren't you using it as a tell--> since you VEHEMENTLY believed, AT THAT POINT, that Maruchan and Saulres were both scummy (well, I guess you still do) and that I have a Finger of Suspicion on me (Therefore, I'm leaning to be scummy)-->which I'm pretty sure you still do.
------- ALSO, maybe you can explain to me why none of your reads have changed since then, even though there are definitely more than four people playing this game.
-------- ALSO maybe you can explain to me why your read of me has shifted from
glowball wrote:I guess that does read a little backwards. I find it hard to see Thunder as scum, so he's obviously just bad at scumhunting. Which is what townies do and scum don't do that. Hopefully that's clearer. So there you go, another "read" just got to look closely
So your read here would be Town on me? Because that's a read, a read doesn't count if it's just "null" and we had to fight with you for days in order to get it.
Anyway from that to
I have to keep going back and forth on his alignment because why would scum pour so much effort into a mislynch then it's on their shoulders, but I am an easy target since people always think I am scum
That's weird... immediately after I go on V/LA, your "read" on me changes from "town" to "null"/"town or scum" (tell me if I'm getting this wrong). Seems pretty convenient that you start actually addressing things now that the main person pulling for your lynch is out of town and out of the picture...
--And, apparently you're NOT an easy target, because no one is getting on board with your lynch. As I last checked (which was about 20 minutes ago) your wagon is losing steam to Nobody Special and Maruchan! If that isn't a scum appeal to emotions, I don't know what is.*
* I understand that Glowball seems to use a lot of appealing to emotions, but this one seems a little different to me, since it really isn't based upon anything that's been happening in the game, yet she's still whining about how much of an easy target she is and how everyone thinks she's scum, when I'm pretty sure it's myself and Supreme Overlord that are the only ones talking about it. (also, just take a look at how hard she's working to discredit me in her latest post--maybe I'm overreacting, but there seem to be a lot more of "he's twisting everything so you'll vote me out" pleas than usual)
One last thing before I go
Ask all you want, but Maruchan finds Saulres way more scummy than I do but you aren't asking him for a case.
1) Exaggeration. I'm pretty sure Maruchan is not laying down the "I'M ONLY VOTING FOR TWO PEOPLE AND THAT'S IT! RAH RAH RAH!" card (Maruchan, please correct me if I'm wrong).
2) There's a bit of truth in this statement, Maruchan, I would like to hear your case on Saul. BUT, I'm hesitant about asking, because I'd like to see if Glowball can actually come up with reasons why Saul is scummy and vocalize them before she has someone to parrot. Hey Maruchan, can you promise Glowball that you'll provide your case for her, after she provides yours? Glowball, would that work for you? Or are you still going to say it's really super duper obvious why he's scummy? --
And if that's the case, why should we all start putting blame on Maruchan for all these obvious reasons that he seems to be the only one to grasp
Again, you're being a hypocrite. AGAIN, you're contradicting yourself.
--Glowball is playing the "Don't look at me, LOOK OVER THERE!" card. We have two possible scenarios
1)
Saulres is really super duper scummy for really obvious reasons, therefore Glowball doesn't have to give a case, but we should definitely all focus on Maruchan for the exact same reason (of not giving a case).
OR
2)
Saulres isn't really super duper scummy, and although Glowball suspects him a bit, Maruchan suspects him waaaaaaay more, and is therefore super duper scummy because of it.
You can't have your cake and eat it too.
But while we're on the subject, Maruchan, was your only reason for staying away from the conversation a test to see who's the most townie? What would have happened if Saulres (who is your top suspect) pointed that out? Would he automatically have become townie?
I'm not sure I completely buy your reasonings. Are you sure it wasn't because Glowball and I were starting to overtake the thread with our argument and you used that to hide behind and avoid drawing further attention to yourself? Come on, now, you can tell the truth..
PEdit, I agree with Lane on the Maruchan aspect.
I don't agree with him on the "me being a douche" aspect. Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree there.
@Lane, at least I'm pressuring my reads, and I'm committed to following them through. How can you argue that Glowball's refusal to play the game counts as town points for her? When all of her arguments for the past little while (her last post notwithstanding... yet somewhat withstanding) "Nope. No. No way. Nu-uh. Give you my reads, help find scum, help figure out relationships, why would I do a thing like that? No. Be quiet. Pity me. I'm sensitive. Don't pressure me so hard, this game is exhausting. Etc." How does that serve to aid anyone other than herself in a self-preservation type manner?
Couldn't it be as easily a scumtell, that she got caught spouting off false accusations (I'm talking about in reference to me in particular), and now she's reverting to a "playstyle" defence to get her out of the hot water?
THEY ARE HIS PERSONAL OPINIONS. He's inferring things and he's wrong. I can't argue against a case with no solid points. I haven't done anything scummy he's just interpreting things out of context and twisting it to fit his own thoughts. I cannot argue against your own thoughts. It's what your mind creates not mine. I have to keep going back and forth on his alignment because why would scum pour so much effort into a mislynch then it's on their shoulders, but I am an easy target since people always think I am scum
