Brightest Day Mafia, Part 1 - GAME OVER

[Mr Subliminal]

Andrius: BB is town and I shalle smite all who oppose him.
Andrius: BB is very likely CR!
Andrius: Why is WLC probnotcult? Not like nopoint wasn't pushing for him hard yesterday.
Magua: Why is CJ town?
Andrius: BECAUSE SAINT WALKER

Nik: One head of this hydra thinks Toasty is scum, but can't tell whether CJ is Mafia or Cult.

[Andrius]

No no no CJ is not mafia or cult.
Toast as mafia is no surprise.

OK NIK YOURE MASON I SHEEP YOU SO YEAH CAN WE LYNCH WLC/BB NOW?
PREFERABLY AFTER THEY CLAIM?
AND AFTER WE WEIGH THEIR CLAISMS

[Mr Subliminal]

Andy, when did you start suspecting Toast?

[Andrius]

Magua, I don't see CJ almost CC-ing me over Saint Walker as CR.
Why?
Because he'd be stuck with that claim all game, then look really bad later down the line when I flip town. (I mean yeah being all lulz about a role I don't have is iffy but yeah SW changed my life and my mafia game so).

Because CCing D1 isn't a good stay-under-the-radar play for CRs.


predit: long time ago. lrn2isome

[ToastyToast]

Andy, when did you start suspecting Toast?

Since I started suspecting him. Like D1.

CJ isn't cult. CJ is mafia with Toasty, but I don't expect anyone to actually believe me. I mean, it's not as if I was right about Toog and GW. Hell I'm probably the worst goddamned player in this goddamned game. Like holy fuck I sure am terrible at scumhunting like idk why I even try like wowwww
On a different note I'm not actually reading the thread atm.

Because being right once means you will be right every time.

[Andrius]

Nik's clearly God, Toast.

[Mr Subliminal]

Okay Andy, now lrn2answerpost1900.
Why wouldn't he CC if someone was using his *wait for it* fake claim?

[Blackberry]

Errrr. I have a lot that I'm thinking about for this game.

Point 1: Why does CJ keep saying 'stop claiming' and then continue to vote one of the few unclaimed people, i.e., which will result in another claim.

Point 2: If no one counter-claims CJ, I can not vote him. I can't see there not being a Doctor in the beginning. Although it does strike me that the only people voting CJ are the top two people I considered town-aligned at this point along with myself.

Unvote

Point 3: inHimshallibe, I want YOU to elaborate on your miller claim and what you know.

Point 4: WLC I need you to answer the question (it was moreso directed at you than it was at CJ).

Point 5: Someone said all the WL group are 'cleared' which is not the case if you read the fact people just stood up and said 'I claim WL'.

Point 6: I have an idea about why CJ got another ring and lost his, etc. However, the appropriate course of action in order to catch scum/mafia would be for those who have lost their rings/who have claimed a roleblocking power to reveal their COLOR and exact role first. Considering CJ said something similar, he may or may not have a similar idea and thus why he is not revealing his new power. Which I approve of for the time being.

Point 7: Andrius, why are you saying I am town and then asking for a full-claim?

Point 8: Why are we not making people who we want to claim also not NAME CLAIM? What is the point of people claiming partial-roleblocking?

Point 9: The way Kast and Mr. S are attacking me, I'm pretty sure Mr. S is TOWN and Kast is ANTI-TOWN. Mr. S is actually listening to what I say and responding in such a way that makes me FEEL he is trying to generally gauge if I'm scum or not. KAST on the other hand, is just slinging accusations against me, I don't feel he actually cares HOW I respond, this includes asking questions that he knows I can't get a good answer to/the questions Kast asks are not scum-hunting questions.

Point 10: Another bonus for CJ being town is the fact he also is suspect of tans. Also, CJ thinks the same as me conscerning the multiple-roleblockers and no one focusing on it.

I will post later, along with quotes and whatnot to backup the Kast thing vs. The Mr. S thing.

@inHim:

Please answer the miller question.

@WLC:

Answer the question regarding your exact role name.

@Everyone:

I want to re-emphasize that tans is NOT acting how he has acted before as town. Same goes for Nikanor, earlier in the game he was active and happy. Now he seems to just be coasting and I think he feels 'confirmed' because of his gambit and now he feels like he doesn't have to do anything (almost gives me a feeling of cult-recruited IMO). Nikanor said this was one of his favorite games or something earlier, yet he is barely posting anymore. And considering him and tans are on facebook chat a lot I find it suspect that neither of them are barely contributing their thoughts at this crucial stage.

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If you all make me claim, after I claim, it will be pointless and we might as well Mass Claim and get to the bottom of everything. Including full-disclosure of roles, WL's claims, exact details of RB claims so we can figure out who is lying, etc. CJ's role was the last ROLE I wanted to claim, although he no longer has it so that makes me hopeful as it clears CJ and means the role is still out there hopefully.

Also, ToastyToast is not cleared as non-CR in my opinion considering what forced him to claim, etc. Obviously, at this point, the CR has people on his side and those people are going to claim or have claimed to RB the CR or something along those lines.

Also, I have a question for the mod.

[Andrius]

Point 7: Andrius, why are you saying I am town and then asking for a full-claim?

Because I think it HAS to be you or WLC.
And we should get claims from both of you.

Massclaim is unnecessary if we can get claims from you and find the Black CR within you/WLC.

Toast CAN BE cleared as CR if you give me time.

You have a point but he's down one member, and he recruited LAST NIGHT.
And last game they didn't have much time to converse.
Hell, when I was recruited there was NO TIME at all, so.

[Andrius]

Let me maintain that I STILL think a massclaim can break this game wide open.
But it is unnecessary right now because of NARROWED DOWN CR prospects.

And a Strongman CR would be INSANELY unbalanced, so I think we're doing this right.

[Mr Subliminal]

Andy.
1900
1906
Answer them or die.

[Blackberry]

Let me maintain that I STILL think a massclaim can break this game wide open.
But it is unnecessary right now because of NARROWED DOWN CR prospects.

And a Strongman CR would be INSANELY unbalanced, so I think we're doing this right.

You don't think TOASTY could be CR given the circumstances in which he claimed?
You don't think any of the White Lanterns could be CR?

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Personally given the fact WLC already claimed and knowing my roles, both our roles pretty much confirm us non-Cult. But that's just my POV. Also, Cult faking roleblocker on a cult recruit, or gambiting (Nikanor) also makes sense. Your narrow ideas of who can be CR is suspect to me. If you're looking for CR you keep your options wide open and focus on everyone so you can find out where they could be hiding, you don't just narrow it down to two people in an effort to get unclaimed people to claim.

[Andrius]

Okay Andy, now lrn2answerpost1900.
Why wouldn't he CC if someone was using his *wait for it* fake claim?

It would give him too much attention IMO.
He obviously knows, as you pointed out, that its HIS fakeclaim so unless LOLMODS or town being twats that NO ONE should be claiming his person.
So if he CCs and gets idiot town lynched what happens? Either: a) ppl realize twat_townie was asking for it b) he is lynched/shot in counter

Also, depending on the various level of reaction he *could* be obvtown-ized so then he'd have a bigger target on his back- and its highly unlikely that he's a full BP so every kill he can avoid is precious.

His play despite me being near-twat status has also been consistently pro-town. I'd quote myself in ISO but I know you're more than capable of doing that yourself.



BB.
What don't you understand.
TT can be CLEARED if you hold on.
WHITE LANTERNS SAID THAT THEY ARE ALL CONFIRMED NON-CR.
SO ILL TRUST THE LOL_MASONRY.

Yes, but WLC are claimed NON-CULT so yeah and power-confirmed people from N1 are another deal- game would be borked if the CR had a legit, say, JK action to use as well. Confirmability issues narrows the pool of suspects.

[Andrius]

BB you tell me right now your top three (3) CR reads.
And it they're not WLC/BB then you explain them. Namely, how they can work.

[Andrius]

Because nopoint was N1 recruit and N2 recruit would have LITTLE TO NO TIME to coordinate a faked block on his CR especially if HIS BLOCK IS CONFIRMED ON SOMEONE ELSE.

[Mr Subliminal]

Andrius: BB is town and I shalle smite all who oppose him.
Andrius: BB is very likely CR!
Andrius: Why is WLC probnotcult? Not like nopoint wasn't pushing for him hard yesterday.
Magua: Why is CJ town?
Andrius: BECAUSE SAINT WALKER
Magua: Why are you ignoring all my questions?
Andrius: THEYRE HARD

LAST CHANCE

[WeyounsLastClone]

I already mentioned my exact role name in post 1847 (except the words were bolded in my role).

And Andrius, please start making sense. Please.

[Blackberry]

On iPhone

I guarantee "anti cult doctor" is not a role name given by the mods

WLC is mafia or cult leader.

[Andrius]

Magua, I don't see CJ almost CC-ing me over Saint Walker as CR.
Why?
Because he'd be stuck with that claim all game, then look really bad later down the line when I flip town. (I mean yeah being all lulz about a role I don't have is iffy but yeah SW changed my life and my mafia game so).

Because CCing D1 isn't a good stay-under-the-radar play for CRs.


predit: long time ago. lrn2isome

Okay Andy, now lrn2answerpost1900.
Why wouldn't he CC if someone was using his *wait for it* fake claim?

It would give him too much attention IMO.
He obviously knows, as you pointed out, that its HIS fakeclaim so unless LOLMODS or town being twats that NO ONE should be claiming his person.
So if he CCs and gets idiot town lynched what happens? Either: a) ppl realize twat_townie was asking for it b) he is lynched/shot in counter

Also, depending on the various level of reaction he *could* be obvtown-ized so then he'd have a bigger target on his back- and its highly unlikely that he's a full BP so every kill he can avoid is precious.

His play despite me being near-twat status has also been consistently pro-town. I'd quote myself in ISO but I know you're more than capable of doing that yourself.

I thought I made this clear, Magua.

Do you want a case?
Because I'll go into my ISO and drag out everything I've said about CJ if you want me to.

Do you think CJ is scum for his play or his claim?
Or both?
Because his play has been solid- his claim, yeah, Doc, could be better but you know.

p.s. Has anyone had a role change like CJ's?
Because now that Magua's got me thinking it reminds me of Kast's Ganthet_JOAT thing from last game.

[Mr Subliminal]

How much skill does it require to blatantly avoid a post full of questions even after it's been shoved in your face multiple times?
Not like it matters anymore, Daykill sent in.

[WeyounsLastClone]

On iPhone

I guarantee "anti cult doctor" is not a role name given by the mods

WLC is mafia or cult leader.

It's not 'anti cult doctor', but 'anti-cult doctor'. Are you trying to discredit me just because you're afraid you'll be otherwise lynched? Love to hear how you can guarantee something the mods didn't, which actually they did.

[Nikanor]

(paraphrased because I don't know how to copy-paste on a mac)We should lynch one of WLC/BB

duuuuude it's double day [/mattbridges]

Vote: WLC.

The anti-cult doctor stuff is a fakeclaim. Scout's honour. If WLC actually was an anti-cult doctor, he'd be an ambiguously named Cult Doctor, not an Anti-Cult Doctor, to follow the naming convention seen in FrozenMirror's Cult Cop role.

[Andrius]

Ok my post magically disappeared. >_>

ANYWAY I fully expect to be alive after the next votecount- somehow a non-public daykill doesn't seem very pro-town to begin with BUTTT yeah.

Vote: WLC

[Mr Subliminal]

Oh look, Andy contradicted himself again
If he's not scum, I personally guarantee that I will hunt SKrew down, barbeque him, and eat serve for dinner.

Nikanor, nopoint bussed?

[Mr Subliminal]

tans, apologies if you stated this before, but did your steal resolve before or after a roleblock?