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[Lurconis]

I still feel Hellhound is scummy and want to know why he hasn't posted here when he has been active today in two other games but didn't come into this thread.

Hellhound is still my strongest read.
Jamftw seems to be coming from just a new player standpoint, i say this cause I could see myself saying some of the same things. If you want i can explain why on a couple of your points but if you would rather I wait until Jam answers them that is fine as well.

[Captain Haoala]

Having seen Hellhound

very

active elsewhere, yet avoiding this game, I think a vote is perfectly valid.
VOTE: Hellhound1

And seeing that no quicklynch has happened I think it's safe to say we are NOT at lylo.

[Captain Haoala]

-haoala

[Ant_to_the_max]

Empking is replacing Sleuth

1 more to go!

[Empking]

Lets massclaim quickly before it breaks the flow.

[don_johnson]

Lets massclaim quickly before it breaks the flow.

i think we agreed today is most likely not lylo, what do you see as the benefits here? set-up isn't open.

day 1- killerX029 (7): teamsleep, Lurconis,

Mafiafixed

, Hellhound1,

don_johnson

,

killerX029, Gaylord Focker

, (L-0)
Sleuth (2):

2birds1stone

, JAMFTW,
Hellhound1 (2): Captain Haoala, Sleuth,
Teamsleep (1): Benmage,
Benmage (1): chkflip,

day 2-

Gaylord Focker

(6): teamsleep, JAMFTW, Benmage,

Mafiafixed

, lewarcher82,

don_johnson

,

ugh. sleep, lurconis, and hellhound. at least one scum there according to basic VCA theory. sleep being the only carry over to day 2. neither wagon

needed

help, however, which makes this a bit dicey. scum could easily be hiding. i like my jam vote. going to have another look at ben and lew. i like the way town seems to be divided into camps today.

I still feel Hellhound is scummy and want to know why he hasn't posted here when he has been active today in two other games but didn't come into this thread.

is there a case against him? if so, can you point me to it?

Jamftw seems to be coming from just a new player standpoint, i say this cause I could see myself saying some of the same things. If you want i can explain why on a couple of your points but if you would rather I wait until Jam answers them that is fine as well.

i wouldn't mind if you answer for him, and perhaps, if it gets colder later, you could lend him your jacket. then you guys can drive up to "lookout point" and make out in the back of your convertible.[/sarcasm]

like i said: camps.

[Empking]

1. Ben may have slipped.
2. We can keep scum from fakeclaiming.
3. We can narrow down the field of who might be scum a huge amount.
4. We might be able to synergise the roles.

[Captain Haoala]

I still feel Hellhound is scummy and want to know why he hasn't posted here when he has been active today in two other games but didn't come into this thread.

is there a case against him? if so, can you point me to it?

Here and here.

The 2nd one isn't so much a case as it is an important yet unanswered question.

I can't believe you didn't see Lurc's case. Skimming?

i like the way town seems to be divided into camps today.

Is this sarcastic?

[haoala]

i think we agreed today is most likely not lylo

Where is this? Or did you say it because you know it isn't? HMM?

[Captain Haoala]

i think we agreed today is most likely not lylo

Where is this? Or did you say it because you know it isn't? HMM?

[don_johnson]

The 2nd one isn't so much a case as it is an important yet unanswered question.

I can't believe you didn't see Lurc's case. Skimming?

original case isn't all that solid. the quote wall reads more like a book report than an analysis. summarizing a players actions and then labeling them scummy is poor form. the only part where analysis comes in is here:

You originally wanted a teamsleep vote first over gay. That seems to me like you knew they would both be town and wanted the one who seemed less scum at the time voted first to keep around another potential mislynch for the future.

but i don't see the relevance here. hound voted sleep to start the day. this is just an assumtpion that he was stringing lynches. theres no basis here. refresh my memory? wasn't it sleep who made the slip? and the follow-up contradiction? it seemed to me(and still does) that it is entriely feasible for sleep to be scum independent of gaylord and not vcice versa. i think we covered this yesterday as well.

i like the way town seems to be divided into camps today.

Is this sarcastic?

no. generally players start to congregate into camps to set the stage for lategame. with no scum lynched, i think it is more plausible for scum to be sequestering themselves in one camp. i think we are more likely to see desperate bussing at this stage than calculated bussing. that is important to remember for future analysis. i think "camps" greatly increases towns chances for a win.

i think we agreed today is most likely not lylo

Where is this? Or did you say it because you know it isn't? HMM?

And seeing that no quicklynch has happened I think it's safe to say we are NOT at lylo.

By my calculations we have 2 mislynches remaining before game over...(3rd being a scum win).

as we have no evidence for a third party, we should be 6 vs 3, meaning we have 1 last ML

. However, one cannot exclude the remote possibility of 4 scum in this game, in which case we woud be on lylo.

I don't accept 4 scum.. I asked before, I'm new to the 13 minis but 4 scum seems OP. Do you have any precedents of 4 scum??

Anywhose 3 scum 6 town. Is indeed 1 mislynch before lylo. Considering in lylo we'd have to lynch successfully 3 (somethin ive never seen)we really need to make today count.

5-4. Town/scum would mean we're in lylo now. But I would imagine a powerful town,

and we have no evidence to suggest that

.

Alright. We do need to start lynching scum. It's imperative, though I doubt the "four scum" scenario.

grasp at straws much?

[don_johnson]

emp: can you point to the ben "slip"?

[haoala]

Everything else said that we might or might not be at lylo. Mine was the only one which explicitly said that I believe we are not at lylo. But I'll let that pass.

Even if it's a poor case, it's a case nonetheless. You behaved like there wasn't any, and asked Lurc for it. If you had seen it (and it appears you haven't), why didn't you simply respond to it instead of asking for a case against Hellhound? Most of all, I voted him for avoiding this game. I think this screams noobscum.

[Captain Haoala]

Gahhhh!

Everything else said that we might or might not be at lylo. Mine was the only one which explicitly said that I believe we are not at lylo. But I'll let that pass.

Even if it's a poor case, it's a case nonetheless. You behaved like there wasn't any, and asked Lurc for it. If you had seen it (and it appears you haven't), why didn't you simply respond to it instead of asking for a case against Hellhound? Most of all, I voted him for avoiding this game. I think this screams noobscum.

[don_johnson]

Gahhhh!

Everything else said that we might or might not be at lylo. Mine was the only one which explicitly said that I believe we are not at lylo. But I'll let that pass.

you seem to be ignoring the italicized portions of my post. 4 different players agreeing that

there is no evidence

to suggest we are in lylo, is equal to me saying "we agree this is

most likely not

lylo."

Even if it's a poor case, it's a case nonetheless. You behaved like there wasn't any, and asked Lurc for it.

i didn't behave like there

wasn't

. i asked for clarification. the "case" is not substantial imo, so i wanted to see what lurc had to say. are you in the habit of answering questions not directed at you?

If you had seen it (and it appears you haven't), why didn't you simply respond to it instead of asking for a case against Hellhound?

already answered. i don't have a photographic memory and the case didn't stick out in my mind as a significant post, so i saw no reason to respond at the time. i just posted a case on jam and lurc brushed it off and reiterated his stance on hound. so i asked for clarification. if thats all he has on hound, i think the jam case may be better(still waiting on a response). but whatevz. lurc wants to answer for jam and you want to answer for lurc. camps.

Most of all, I voted him for avoiding this game. I think this screams noobscum.

why noobscum as opposed to noobtown?

[haoala]

Do you think noobtown would avoid the game? Honest question, not rhetorical.

[Captain Haoala]

Do you think noobtown would avoid the game? Honest question, not rhetorical.

I'm gonna slap myself everytime I do that from now on. REALLY SORRY, people. Mod too.

[don_johnson]

Do you think noobtown would avoid the game? Honest question, not rhetorical.

i think you have to look at the circumstances. i have seen scum and town be guilty of "avoidance" regardless of experience level. it was noted that hound posted in two other games. were these posts of substance? what stage are these games in? unfortunately, these questions cannot be answered as ongoing game discussion is against the rules. but nothing stops us all from looking at these other games ourselves and making a decision. so i will do that. i take it from your answer that you feel there is a distinct difference between noobscum and noobtown? you stated that hound was "very" active elsewhere. i find that i myself can very rarely be "very" active in more than one game at the same time. i often dvote particular blocks of time to particular games. but i will go look.

[Benmage]

@teamsleep: Bad news, teamsleep: now you have to put together a case against me. You cast your vote. Go on and show me the case. I need to understand if you are a VI

holding a grudge or a scum trying to tunnel.

This read off.

Lew,

can you direct me to a completed scum and town game over yours. (Section/title)

I want Hell to answer Lurcs questions in 261(rehighlighted in 281)

I have somewhere between 1

0 and 15 games under my belt over on myth-weavers.com.

........
To be honest, my meta tends toward VI .

Not familiar with the site...is it so radically different than here? 10-15 games and still newb? Playing the newbcard?

1. Ben may have slipped.
2. We can keep scum from fakeclaiming.
3. We can narrow down the field of who might be scum a huge amount.
4. We might be able to synergise the roles.

PoE may help us drastically.

i like the way town seems to be divided into camps today.

Is this sarcastic?

no. generally players start to congregate into camps to set the stage for lategame. with no scum lynched, i think it is more plausible for scum to be sequestering themselves in one camp. i think we are more likely to see desperate bussing at this stage than calculated bussing. that is important to remember for future analysis. i think "camps" greatly increases towns chances for a win.

With no scum dead, why would they bus?
Whose busing here?

Even if it's a poor case, it's a case nonetheless. You behaved like there wasn't any, and asked Lurc for it. If you had seen it (and it appears you haven't), why didn't you simply respond to it instead of asking for a case against Hellhound? Most of all, I voted him for avoiding this game. I think this screams noobscum.

I want to hear about this...other slip....

I dont see DJ's “case” on JAM convincing whatsoever.

are you in the habit of answering questions not directed at you?

I am.

Empking,

did you read the whole game?

[Empking]

Oui

It kind of sucked.

[Benmage]

Oooph...

DJ/others

I encourage a quick userprofile look at Hellhound.

I know I give game credence to games that are at vital stages/nearing lynches. Todays pretty damn vital, buttt we do not even have a deadline yet...sooooo *twiddle twiddle*...we need a sub anyways for TS.

[Benmage]

Top 2 scum Emp?

[Benmage]

Capt,

behind hell, whose your #2 scum?

[Empking]

Mafia and and Jam

[Benmage]

Mafia is dead, and

flipped town