camn's temperamental - Mini 1232 - GAME OVER

[Zang]

Zang is town for 31. Sathorsis might be town for 30.

Isn't it early to be declaring someone as town/scum?

@Fishy that is a very weak reason to believe scum have day talk

1. He didn't say that scum have day talk, only that scum can talk during confirmation.
2. How is the mod stating that scum can talk during night 0 considered a weak reason?

[Chair]

Questions to BBmolla (only mine):
1. Played two games on MS (one was a noobie, one with this hydra). Played a few elsewhere (forum and chat). Definitely not as experienced/good as implosion.
2. I like TS's answer actually, though I never done it in practice. THOUGH HONESTLY I WOULD RATHER BE VIG MWHAHAHA.

I'm in agreement that there's nothing wrong with breaking RVS if one thinks that there is something wrong.

Pre-edit: lol I spent too long not posting this lol. Edited stuff to make it make sense LOL.

@Zang
They're reads.

-obv. Misder

[camn]

VOTE COUNT!

Hello, friends. The posting pace pleases. Here are the current votecounts:

fishythefish

- 5

( RedPanda Zang Haylen BBmolla Lurconis )

twistedspoon

- 2

( fishythefish Chair )

Lurconis

- 1

( kanyeknowsbest )

RedPanda

- 1

( Parama )

Haylen

- 1

( PeregrineV )

Parama

- 1

( twistedspoon )

NOT VOTING:

( Johhog Sathoris )

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline is WED, SEPTEMBER 14th, 9am MY TIME.. . Or whenever I get around to it.

[BBmolla]

Chair, are you only two people?

Oh and no reason for Fishy to be lynched this early, not in my opinion anyway.

UNVOTE:

[Chair]

@BBmolla
Yes. Also, how do you know that Fishy would be lynched?

-Misder

[BBmolla]

I don't. But having five votes on someone on page three doesn't seem like a good idea to me. Not enough info yet.

VOTE: Johhog

Would you mind joining us Mr. Hog?

[Lurconis]

There is nothing wrong with skipping the random voting stage if you have a read. This is the entire point of the random voting stage, creating information from which you can start to form reads and move the game along. Clinging to the random voting stage is not in the best interests of town.

That is fine however his was the first post of the game his read came from who confirmed last. I will gladly remove my vote if he can provide meta that he does that normally but from the two previous games of his I checked his first vote was not for who confirmed last.

as far as the mod confirming they had day 0 talk I really don't see that I thought her remark was a joke referencing the people above saying stuff other than confirm.

[kanyeknowsbest]

That is fine however his was the first post of the game his read came from who confirmed last. I will gladly remove my vote if he can provide meta that he does that normally but from the two previous games of his I checked his first vote was not for who confirmed last.

And what does it matter which post a player breaks random vote stage in?

[Parama]

^you have an awesome username :3

clearly parama is playing RBS, Random Buddying stage

VOTE: parama

and in retrospect i realise you asked for a vote anyways, so here you are

actually red pandas are just awesome
but anywho I like how you give a reason for your vote then give another reason immediately after, like your first reason wasn't sufficient (hint: neither are, at least for a serious vote). it's like you're trying to find a reason for voting me seriously, but failing. also that's scummy if you don't get it.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Twistedspoon
His vote for Parama gives an actual reason (buddying), which he then immediately undermines by saying he's voting because Parama asked for a vote. Smacks of not wanting to actually be involved in conflict. His comment to Haylen seems to do nothing but draw out the RVS further by trying to downplay the importance of what little content there is at this stage of the game.

Oh hey look I got beat to the point.
Hmm... let's see if there are any votes on Fishy past this point...

VOTE: Fishy

Something about this guy seems fishy(hur hur), mostly his degree of seriousness during RVS, which to me is always a bad sign.

AHA! "serious during RVS" =/= scumtell, it means someone is trying to catch scum, which is, hmm, THE POINT OF MAFIA? herpderp scum #2 caught.

@Spoon: what I mean is that the first of your reasons seems semi-serious, and the second thrown in to make it clear your vote is totally random. And serious votes early in the game develop conflict.

i am of the opinion that no vote is truly random in RVS. Most of my random votes seem semi-serious but they're still random votes in RVS
if I'm to vote anyone it will be for something with a micron of suspicion, but still a random vote if that makes sense

the second part was just an observation which i found interesting and decided to include

Uhhh... nope, you gave "reasons" for your vote which don't look like "random" random voting reasons.
And you gave two; the second isn't just "a thing you noticed".

Zang is town for 31. Sathorsis might be town for 30.

Neither of these have any merit if you don't back them up.
Also why exactly are you voting twisted? Just for the sake of wagonning? :/

@Fishy that is a very weak reason to believe scum have day talk also (and I do realize the irony as I am committing the same crime right now) I don't like that you skipped RVS and immediatly jumped into a serious vote and then started either guessing about something only scum would know for sure and sticking by it so passionately this early on.

For that

Vote Fishy

but... what? it's the usual for scum to be able to talk during pre-game, and the modpost fishy quoted backs it up anyways.
SERIOUS IN RVS IS TAKING INITIATIVE, NOT A SCUMTELL. it's actually pretty pro-town.

Zang is town for 31. Sathorsis might be town for 30.

Isn't it early to be declaring someone as town/scum?

wow. you're thick.

Oh and no reason for Fishy to be lynched this early, not in my opinion anyway.

UNVOTE:

1. it wasn't L-1, why unvote?
2, if you think he's scum, why unvote?

This just looks like scum hopping off a mislynch wagon.

I don't. But having five votes on someone on page three doesn't seem like a good idea to me. Not enough info yet.

VOTE: Johhog

Would you mind joining us Mr. Hog?

holy crap. "not enough info" even though you've made a serious vote. RVSing AFTER a serious vote? Guys guys guys this guy is super mcscumpants how is he still alive.

vote: BBmolla

fishytown twistedscum the rest of you losers I'm unsure about

[BBmolla]

It wasn't that serious of a vote. It was to put some pressure on Fishy, which clearly is already being done by four others.

Parama are you willing to bet on your mother's life right now that I am scum? Why or why not?

[Parama]

No, because my mother isn't as important as a mafia game.
I am pursuing a lead, simple as that. Who knows, I *may* change my mind later on, but if you're scum like I think you are, that seems unlikely to happen.

[kanyeknowsbest]

Parama gets a gold star.

Unvote

Vote: BBmolla

It wasn't that serious of a vote. It was to put some pressure on Fishy, which clearly is already being done by four others.

Parama are you willing to bet on your mother's life right now that I am scum? Why or why not?

What you did is called "relieving pressure." When votes start leaving the wagon, others are less likely to join it and those already on it are more likely to leave. If you believe someone is scum and unvote them before L-1 (and only then because you want to prevent a quicklynch) you will quickly be toppling their wagon and destroying your credibility.

Also, please leave Parama's mother out of discourse unrelated to her. This is an underhanded bluff that has no place in this class.

--quote tag fixed

[kanyeknowsbest]

Here's a fine example of what happens when you do not actually read your message after pressing preview.

[Lurconis]

it's the usual for scum to be able to talk during pre-game

I did not know that.

unvote

In that case I actually agree with Fishy on that note

VOTE: sathoris for being one of the last to confirm and then in post 32 saying he would run the numbers to figure out who to vote and then posting again 40 minutes later and not voting.

[Lurconis]

@Kanye perhaps if you ask Professor Camn nicely the quote tags will be fixed.

[kanyeknowsbest]

I believe that it should remain as is. It would be pretty bad for me to wipe away an example of what not to do and prevent all of you from learning from my mistake.

[kanyeknowsbest]

Maybe after everyone has taken note of it. You are taking notes, aren't you?

[Parama]

note to self: kanye is insane

[Chair]

hi parama are you scum

-implosion

[kanyeknowsbest]

note to self: kanye is insane

That's not a very polite thing to say.

[kanyeknowsbest]

And you know it.

[kanyeknowsbest]

hi parama are you scum

-implosion

Please use the term "person with an exceptional win condition." I encourage you to embrace diversity in your entire life, but it is mandatory that you do so in here.

[Parama]

hi parama are you scum

-implosion

yes now help me drive this mislynch

[Chair]

hi parama are you scum

-implosion

yes now help me drive this mislynch

Vote: BBmolla

-Misder

[BBmolla]

No, because my mother isn't as important as a mafia game.
I am pursuing a lead, simple as that. Who knows, I

*may* change my mind later on

, but if you're scum like I think you are, that seems unlikely to happen.

Why would you do this? I mean, you're so sold on me being scum, why could you possibly change your mind on me?

The mother thing was meant to be betting something really important, not an actual offense against Parama's mother.