Open 329: Mayo Clinic D3: Town WINS!

GreyICE · Post Post #600 (ISO) » Thu Sep 01, 2011 8:37 am

neil1113 wrote:
GreyICE wrote:Die.

You'd rather me die, then be useful to the town? THAT seems Anti-Town to me?

Oh ha ha like you're really the sk.

Bump did the same thing last game.

Die scum die.

GreyICE · Post Post #601 (ISO) » Thu Sep 01, 2011 8:50 am

By the by, if he flips doctor, 9mm of lead for thomith, BB?

neil1113 · Post Post #602 (ISO) » Thu Sep 01, 2011 8:52 am

GreyICE wrote:
neil1113 wrote:
GreyICE wrote:Die.

You'd rather me die, then be useful to the town? THAT seems Anti-Town to me?

Oh ha ha like you're really the sk.

Bump did the same thing last game.

Die scum die.

Seriously. You're going to WIFOM this? You're more worried about WIFOM, then you are about the fruitfullness of the town, and THAT is not a town mindset. I'm still fairly certain you're scum. If you'd like, this CAN be proven if you want to waste a night to prove it. Send both your vigs on me, and see for yourself that I can't be killed.

neil1113 · Post Post #603 (ISO) » Thu Sep 01, 2011 8:52 am

GreyICE wrote:
neil1113 wrote:
GreyICE wrote:Die.

You'd rather me die, then be useful to the town? THAT seems Anti-Town to me?

Oh ha ha like you're really the sk.

Bump did the same thing last game.

Die scum die.

Seriously. You're going to WIFOM this? You're more worried about WIFOM, then you are about the fruitfullness of the town, and THAT is not a town mindset. I'm still fairly certain you're scum. If you'd like, this CAN be proven if you want to waste a night to prove it. Send both your vigs on me, and see for yourself that I can't be killed.

izakthegoomba · Post Post #604 (ISO) » Thu Sep 01, 2011 9:08 am

...why would we leave you alive as SK? If you are the SK (I'm not sure if I believe you), doing what we tell you would only hinder you, and would ultimately stop you winning. So no, my vote stays on you.

Maruchan · Post Post #605 (ISO) » Thu Sep 01, 2011 10:03 am

neil1113 wrote:What if the town had 3 vigs?

this is the type of mindfuckery a mafia would pull

completely irrelevant yet distracts and looks like participation.

If neil doesnt have a plan to die today/tonight he needs to

Maruchan · Post Post #606 (ISO) » Thu Sep 01, 2011 10:05 am

neil1113 wrote:I'm the
Serial Killer.
I'm not Mafia aligned, so I never lied about that. I never directly denied being the SK, and nobody ever questioned me as though I was. So I had no reason to lie. I've tried to play townie for long, but Grey's case gave me a headache. I admit the push on Grey was weak... but oh well. The town had no other thing to go on, so I decided to push.

Anywho, it's relevant because I could easily benefit the town at least for a day or two. Having another vig would be better then just flat out killing me off, don't you think? And on top of that, you don't have to waste any doctors on me because I'm not killable at night.

wow. this is helpful.

Lets use him until the first time he does something stupid and idiotic.

unvote

my vote was on him right?

Maruchan · Post Post #607 (ISO) » Thu Sep 01, 2011 10:09 am

guys, him being claimed SK means he can't win no matter what. BOTH scum AND town want him dead, so why should we help the scum get rid of him when he is offering to be pro-town?

glowball · Post Post #608 (ISO) » Thu Sep 01, 2011 10:29 am

IT is not a far stretch to direct Serial Killer shots. They do it in lots of large games with more experienced players, that being said sometimes it is a ploy. Neil should probably go because he definitely isn't playing to his win condition by claiming and if he is that means he thinks there is a way he can win this. Let's just lynch him and get it over with.

izakthegoomba · Post Post #609 (ISO) » Thu Sep 01, 2011 10:31 am

I still have a bad feeling about this. What if this is some complex scum ploy?

Neil, if you really are the SK, tell us this: why the fuck would you claim?

GreyICE · Post Post #610 (ISO) » Thu Sep 01, 2011 10:32 am

'cause his win condition now involves shooting as many town as possible if it's true, and it's better than likely he's fakeclaiming scum?

Lynching SK on day 1 is awesome. That gives 2 pro-town kills and the lynch versus 1 anti-town kill.

Of course we lynch him.

No directing SK claims, you kill em.

Maruchan · Post Post #611 (ISO) » Thu Sep 01, 2011 10:49 am

Whatever. I still say its a better idea to direct him but if town wants him gone I will comply.

glowball · Post Post #612 (ISO) » Thu Sep 01, 2011 10:53 am

Of course you will Maruchan, why stand up for what you believe in? you wouldn't want to bring more attention to yourself than necessary, right?

Maruchan · Post Post #613 (ISO) » Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:43 am

No I just would prefer to work together as a team than go SAOGHWOYU)(UYH(IH@Q(TIFHGI LISTEN TO ME OR I REFUSE TO COOPERATE.

Mafia is a game of teamwork (unless you're an SK, then its a game of faking teamwork), and therefore You sometimes must take one for the team, which in this case means if everyone but me wants neil dead, he is self-claimed scum so I am not opposed to a lynch, even though I think we could use him.

BBmolla · Post Post #614 (ISO) » Thu Sep 01, 2011 3:42 pm

@grey: I say we use him. The minute he doesn't follow our instruction we lynch him.

Don't understand why he wants to help us though :/

@Maru: If he's mafia, mafia has to kill for us, which is fine by me.

Vigvote

:
1. Glowball -
2. Mega -
3. GreyICE -
4. PiggyGal15 -
5. izakthegoomba -
6. BBmolla -
7. VitaminR -
8. Thomith -
9. Maruchan -
10. Quaroath -
11. neil1113 -
12. whispersilk - GreyICE

GreyICE · Post Post #615 (ISO) » Thu Sep 01, 2011 3:49 pm

He doesn't have to help us.

And mafia don't have to kill for us, they just avoid the lynch one day.

A scum lynch day 1 here is excellent. Any flavor of scum. We have two confirmed town and 1 confirmed scum, this is an excellent day 1, lets not derp it up.

BBmolla · Post Post #616 (ISO) » Thu Sep 01, 2011 3:50 pm

GreyICE wrote:He doesn't have to help us.

And mafia don't have to kill for us, they just avoid the lynch one day.

A scum lynch day 1 here is excellent. Any flavor of scum. We have two confirmed town and 1 confirmed scum, this is an excellent day 1, lets not derp it up.

Alright, that's fine by me.

neil1113 · Post Post #617 (ISO) » Thu Sep 01, 2011 5:05 pm

WIFOM Alert:

Why would I be fake claiming Mafia, and call that out? Then, I'd be directing the Mafia Kills every night to wherever YOU guys want them, and if that's not giving up as the Mafia team I don't know what is. And with two other partners, I wouldn't have just given up like that. If I am Mafia, that means I'm volunteering to give up our kills and if I don't, you can lynch me.

However, with the idea that one kill can be blocked by a Doctor (Mafia Doc), and you probably wouldn't trust me to kill whoever I thought was scummy, since like someone pointed out ever so wisely, I could give a crap about you as town, you need to be dead to me as much as scum does, it'd be better for you guys to keep me around and vig with the 1st vig, that way the kill goes through, while letting the 2nd vig choose a target, that way you're sure it's a townie choosing and not "potential scum."

Either way you look at this, I can't be Mafia. If I am, I'm either screwing myself over and getting killed tomorrow (which is pointless in my opinion) or I'm forfeiting my Mafia team up to you guys. But this is also easily proven if you all would like to send your two vigs on me. You were going to lynch me today anyway, and then vig someone else... why not lynch your vig target and try to vig me, your lynch target, if you don't believe me? You're not specifically wasting a night now, and you're confirming me to be who I said I am. While at the same time, I'll vig between a few choices you guys give me (if you give me one, the Mafia Doc will step in and I'll be screwed...) to also confirm that I'm teaming with you.

GreyICE · Post Post #618 (ISO) » Thu Sep 01, 2011 5:13 pm

Obviously it's pro-scum to make us lynch you on day 2 rather than day 1 when we have a lower shot of getting one of your buddies on day 1.

This isn't even the first SK claim I've seen out of scum. Or the second (VezokPiraka and Mr. Bump so far). Vezok did it on day 1, with the same logic here (use me to help the town!).

neil1113 · Post Post #619 (ISO) » Thu Sep 01, 2011 5:21 pm

Listen, you can PROVE I'm an SK like I said above, by killing me tonight. You're not reading anything I'm saying. You've tunneled on me as scum, and refuse to believe anything else. That's not a pro-town mindset! If I'm lying, I'm dead tonight. And then what do I have? I didn't waste any of your times, you'd still be voting on the same people as before (except rotating whoever you want to vig would be lynched, and then I'd be vigged instead of lynched)... I don't see what you're complaining about. Oh wait, I do. I HAVE to be lynched in order for you and your two buddies to win. So you'd much rather me lynched, because vigging me wouldn't work because you know I'm the SK and I won't die. Nevermind, continue on sir.

GreyICE · Post Post #620 (ISO) » Thu Sep 01, 2011 5:25 pm

You are scum! YOU'VE JUST CLAIMED TO HAVE A WIN CONDITION THAT OPPOSES THE TOWN.

I'm not using the shots that should be ending a lurker like whispersilk on you. I'll use a lynch on you because by your OWN CLAIM that needs to happen unless the town wants to lose.

neil1113 · Post Post #621 (ISO) » Thu Sep 01, 2011 5:30 pm

GreyICE wrote:I'm not using the shots that should be ending a lurker like whispersilk on you. I'll use a lynch on you because by your OWN CLAIM that needs to happen unless the town wants to lose.

If I'm Mafia, I'm dead rather you lynch or vig me. If I'm SK, I've already volunteered to help the town. Why turn down the extra help, unless you really don't care about the town victory? Lynching or Vigging, it's still a death to "a lurker like whispersilk" so what's the difference? At least I hope you're admitting now that I'm the SK, so we can kill you and your other two buddies, the town can kill me, and then they get the win... Sounds bad, but at least YOU'RE not winning.

GreyICE · Post Post #622 (ISO) » Thu Sep 01, 2011 5:49 pm

You know, I had a response written up, but then I realized I'm responding to someone who asked why any townie would want to lynch someone if they thought that the player had a win condition that PREVENTED THE TOWN FROM WINNING.

neil1113 · Post Post #623 (ISO) » Thu Sep 01, 2011 5:53 pm

GreyICE wrote:You know, I had a response written up, but then I realized I'm responding to someone who asked why any townie would want to lynch someone if they thought that the player had a win condition that PREVENTED THE TOWN FROM WINNING.

Exactly. You can't respond, scum. Keep twisting my words to make it seem like that. Good try. You're so anti-town it's not even funny..

GreyICE · Post Post #624 (ISO) » Thu Sep 01, 2011 6:08 pm

Neil, I understand the strategy, I really do. You drag the other player into a 1v1 and then both of you coming out looking more scummy, which is a net win if you're already up shit creek since hey, maybe the town will make a last second dive for the idiot ball. And you want me in that 1v1.

But Neil, your entire premise is that lynching the Serial Killer is antitown.

You can't play that game if your first move is to checkmate your own king.