Mafia 137 - Neruzian Era Mafia SERIAL KILLER WIN!

[edmund.angles]

@ckhflip: Your points might have been covered by mastin, but I assume you don't agree with everything. Could you restate the points against me you think are the best.

If we're feeling VERY generous, we can give him this, too. But only if you consider the fact that TF is on the scumlist to be a pro-town move. If you look at the placement (4/5, perfect place for a buddy, eh?), it really falls apart.

Agree, it doesn't mean anything one way or the other.

ESPECIALLY when paired with Blatant TF Defense. (Guess what? TF DID happen.)

I tried to get people to vote for the biggest wagons as deadline approched, later I offered to lynch TF the following day. When the tides changed and the TF wagons was largest I was being non-hipocritical and changed to TF.

I'd love to get David lynched, but Edmund's 1: a larger wagon, and 2: C'mon, he's textbook opportunistic scum, sheeping GreyICE (now confirmed town).

If a town-read is already voting someone, that is an additional reason to vote that someone. And I did not 'sheep' GI- I joined the wagon for my own reasons.

[chkflip]

edmund: The Muffin vote is horribad (I mean, come on, MUFFIN? The guy's an easier read than a book this game. And town. So very town.), The TF defending, and the constant change in suspicion without ever going back to those suspicions. Makes me feel like you're just throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks with the town.

@NERUZ:

V/LA Friday to Tuesday. Getting shitfaced in the woods.

[Neruz]

Enjoy yourself, remember to drink plenty of water to avoid dem hangovers.

[zMuffinMan]

sleep then posting. maybe.

[Amrun]

Posting for real tonight. Can't stay awake, then class... zz.

[edmund.angles]

Hmm, if sorgster is newbie to the extent that he hasn't actually finished a game, I can see him as newbie-protective-of-own-hide rather than scum-protective-of-own-hide.

UNVOTE:

edmund: The Muffin vote is horribad (I mean, come on, MUFFIN? The guy's an easier read than a book this game. And town. So very town.)

That might have been a point, if my zMuffin vote hadn't been a random vote before he actually did anything. You didn't bother to go back and read the thread.

The TF defending, and the constant change in suspicion without ever going back to those suspicions. Makes me feel like you're just throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks with the town.

I'm not the kind of player who pegs 5 players as scum and proceeds to lynch them. My reads have been pretty weak, the strongest being Maxous for his attitude at lynch-time D1.
The only one I've consistently found scummy is you (yep, CSL is out) so maybe I should take that as a hint:
VOTE: chkflip

[vezokpiraka]

Why isn't edmund dead yet?

Are we just playing around until everyone gets prodded?

Also Neruz: I am V/LA. When I have computer time I check some games so you may see my activity going around but I always try to get all the games in a day or two.

[chkflip]

Aaaand reaction fish successful. I love that you think I'm stupid, though. Just thought I'd latch on to the dumbest thing mastin said (that you had no retort for, btw) to see if you'd attack me, and not him, for the very same thing. Your weakest vote has actually been the Bowser one.

Weak reads isn't an excuse for your play. Read the thread, strengthen your reads, and proceed to push to lynch.

[David Xanatos]

VOTE: Edmund

Nice trap from chkflip.. Mastin's reads (excluding myself) have some merit. I'm looking forward to his next set actually.. 'tis interesting to see his thought process, verbose though he is..

[sorgster]

How many votes does edmund have on him now?

[David Xanatos]

6 I believe.

[Zdenek]

I've been profoundly busy this week starting a new job. I'll put time into this game before Tuesday.

[Neruz]

edmund.angles (

6

) -

vezokpiraka, sorgster, CSL, mastin2, chkflip, David Xanatos

sorgster ( 1 ) -

GreyICE

zMuffinMan ( 1 ) -

Zdenek

chkflip ( 1 ) -

edmund.angles

pappums rat ( 1 ) -

zMuffinMan

Zdenek ( 1 ) -

warriormode

8 votes to lynch

Deadline in (expired on 2011-09-14 08:00:00)

[David Xanatos]

That'sssss a very nicccce votecount you have there. It'd be a sssshame if ssssomething were to happen to it...

David Xanatos has been exploded!

[edmund.angles]

Aaaand reaction fish successful. I love that you think I'm stupid, though. Just thought I'd latch on to the dumbest thing mastin said (that you had no retort for, btw) to see if you'd attack me, and not him, for the very same thing. Your weakest vote has actually been the Bowser one.

Nice 'trap', convenient when you do something stupid that you can claim trap.
mastin claims it is 'not pro-town', you were the one who called it 'horribad' and talked about zMuff's town play as an argument.

Weak reads isn't an excuse for your play. Read the thread, strengthen your reads, and proceed to push to lynch.

That is exactly what I've been doing.

chkflip is worse than mastin.
mastin made a case.
chkflip just said: 'Yeah, mastin's made all my points' and now admits he found some of mastin's points 'dumb' but he didn't bother to tell us which ones he liked when he voted.

DX is also terrible.

@Neruz: Kinda creepy

Don't turn around, making eye contact will just make it angrier.

[Amrun]

chkflip looks the worse in this exchange, I think.

Unfortunately, I have to v/la until Tuesday. If I get time in between, I'll go to this game first (after modding duties).

[edmund.angles]

Your weakest vote has actually been the Bowser one.

Bowser has proven himself scummy by first saying that he doesn't have a good feeling about mastin's reads; in the same post, however, he leaves himself an opening by way of saying that he too has a gut town read on half of mastin's list (which of course he doesn't specify).

In the following post, from what looks like mastin's reads and those alone, he votes Tomie with a simple post of "Then [votecode]Tomie[/votecode]" and that's that.

This, mind you, is only two hours after he previous wishy-washy feelings toward the lists to begin with.

Now sure, we could all see that as a pressure vote to see what Tomie does, but to me it reads more like Bowser trying to buddy up and keep mastin's town-read on that slot by way of going for mastin's biggest scum read.

He fluffs through two more posts; in the first by quoting edmund's vote against him alongside a previous vote count and gives a single line of how edmund miraculously had just "proven himself as scum."

Then, in the very next post, he fluffs with his opinion on how a purely meta case is bad voting and how it's dead.

There's more on Bowser but the stuff above happened before my vote.

[edmund.angles]

EBWOP: I voted Bowser twice and assumed chkflip meant the second vote, maybe he didn't.

Bowser has proven himself scummy by first saying that he doesn't have a good feeling about mastin's reads; in the same post, however, he leaves himself an opening by way of saying that he too has a gut town read on half of mastin's list (which of course he doesn't specify).

In the following post, from what looks like mastin's reads and those alone, he votes Tomie with a simple post of "Then [votecode]Tomie[/votecode]" and that's that.

This part happened before the first vote.

[sorgster]

Oh god. Hiraki is so annoying and scum.

He's pushing hiplop hoping he will kill a scum buddy.

unvote
vote hiraki

We'll

kill hiplop tomorrow.

We'll

who is we?

Both bowser and hiplop are nearly the same just hiplop is worse.

Why are people voting bowser over him again?

Trying to deflect attetion from bowser to hiplop

Lynch one already. If Bowser wagon is derailed something is up.

Trying to get hiplop or bowser lynched.

unvote
vote Toon fighter

Finally I can end this day.

Lynching toonfighter trying to gain some townpoints as tf was dead anyways.

Why isn't edmund dead yet?

Are we just playing around until everyone gets prodded?
Also Neruz: I am V/LA. When I have computer time I check some games so you may see my activity going around but I always try to get all the games in a day or two.

unvote
vote hiplop

This day just needs to end.

Vezopirika seems to be in a rush to lynch people as well. He has been mostly(except his hiraki vote) joining bandwagons. Yes I know this is a deflection but he just seems scummy to me.
Note that he never asked why tf isn't dead yet but did ask that of csl and hiplop. He also voted to join the biggest bandwagon in there. The lynch was a way for townpoints I believe.

Unvote
Vote Vezokpiraka

[edmund.angles]

Just thought I'd latch on to the dumbest thing mastin said

Referring to this....

-Muffin vote. (Not pro-town.)

I'm a fan of the "second vote of an RVS wagon" scumtell and believe there to be at least one scum between edmund and Tomie because of it.

[HezLucky]

Oh god. Hiraki is so annoying and scum.

He's pushing hiplop hoping he will kill a scum buddy.

unvote
vote hiraki

We'll

kill hiplop tomorrow.

We'll

who is we?

This is REALLY dumb. We, the town, will kill so and so tomorrow. You've got to be kidding me.

Also, you are voting vezok for his GREAT vote on hiraki.

Unvote, vote: sorgster

:gots his chainsaw:

[HezLucky]

Oh god. Hiraki is so annoying and scum.

He's pushing hiplop hoping he will kill a scum buddy.

unvote
vote hiraki

We'll

kill hiplop tomorrow.

We'll

who is we?

This is REALLY dumb. We, the town, will kill so and so tomorrow. You've got to be kidding me.

Also, you are voting vezok for his GREAT vote on hiraki.

Unvote, vote: sorgster

:gots his chainsaw:

excessive explanation of a vote is excessive.

why isn't sorgster lynched yet?

[edmund.angles]

chkflip's attitude at the end of D1

UNVOTE: Toon Fighter
VOTE: hiplop

The last six pages alone have painted him scum and totally removed my nullishscum read to a pure unadulterated scum read.

Hiplop is L-1

Amazing fake-hammer, sorg.

...except it doesn't look fake; on the contrary, it looks like opportunistic scum coming in for the hammer with little to no basis. My reaction fish L-1 vote got what I wanted, an amazing town-motivated reaction from nullishscum hiplop.

UNVOTE: hiplop
VOTE: sorgster

I think Toon or sorgster are great picks for today's lynch, followed by Bowser for a close third.

He moves off TF as the wagon starts to grow and as crunch time approaches he hides in the corner with his sorgster wagon.

He even says TF is a great lynch target, but doesn't move back even when hiplop and TF are the only viable lynches. He has plenty of opportunity to do so.

[sorgster]

Oh god. Hiraki is so annoying and scum.

He's pushing hiplop hoping he will kill a scum buddy.

unvote
vote hiraki

We'll

kill hiplop tomorrow.

We'll

who is we?

This is REALLY dumb. We, the town, will kill so and so tomorrow. You've got to be kidding me.

Also, you are voting vezok for his GREAT vote on hiraki.

Unvote, vote: sorgster

:gots his chainsaw:

excessive explanation of a vote is excessive.

why isn't sorgster lynched yet?

Why would I vote for veoz because he is voting hiraki? Hiraki is currently voting for me.

[sorgster]

Ebwop:Also, if I didn't use excessive information, people will ask me why or say what I have said is not enough to give a vote.