Mini 1221: Vegas Mafia (Over!)

[nocase]

(don't answer that last one.)

[Hikari Link]

and why are you self-voting like an idiot?

I'm not. My vote is on TS. Timeater and TS are voting for me. And the sorry isn't relevant, it's just cause he called me Hikari earlier.

[nocase]

"Link (sorry) - Tspoon, HL,"

ok, i see.

i'll reread the last few pages.

[nocase]

approximately three minutes of liberal skimming and holistic analysis says maruchan is scum. huh.

[nocase]

4. Hellhound1

5. Timeater

6. Hikari Link

10. Twistedspoon

12. Maruchan

still processing.

[nocase]

actually i really need hellhound1 to make a post here. if he gets replaced then my ability to read him will be thoroughly fucked.

[nocase]

strike that. hellhound1 reads really town on an intuitive level.

@twistedspoon

, why do you have such a strong town read on me? and why did you protect me last night?

@timeater

, i wouldn't mind seeing a whole bunch of analysis if you're up for it. the abridged version works just as well.

[nocase]

timeater, you can start with why you think i am town and why you are so content/resigned to letting the lynch be up to me.

[Hikari Link]

strike that. hellhound1 reads really town on an intuitive level.

@twistedspoon

, why do you have such a strong town read on me? and why did you protect me last night?

@timeater

, i wouldn't mind seeing a whole bunch of analysis if you're up for it. the abridged version works just as well.

So then if I understand correctly, you think Maruchan and I are scum? If so, where did the Vig kill come from? Also, why would I claim Vig as scum just to get Zdenek mislynched?

[ender241]

Sorry everyone, it turns out i fuck up and put the vote counts wrong late at night. Won't happen again!

[ender241]

Vote count:

Hellhound -
Timeater -
Link (sorry) - Tspoon, timeater
Twistedspoon - Link,
Maruchan -
nocase -

Not voting - Nocase, hellhound, Maruchan,

4 votes are required for a lynch.

Day ends 11:06 15th september, 2011.

[Twistedspoon]

@twistedspoon

, why do you have such a strong town read on me? and why did you protect me last night?

well it's mainly because of the people you replaced

DH followed his town meta. He gets really involved in his town games and far less so in his scum ones. His town frustration at replacing out was like the town DH I know

Anak replaced DH and he scumhunted well. #184, #622. there are many examples

also, replacing out is a weak towntell. Becomes stronger as 2 replacements on the same player slot occur.

So yeah, you're townzers. HL is mafiosi

[Maruchan]

I wish people (nocase, timeater) knew how to explain their scumreads

[Hikari Link]

HL is mafiosi

You're not even gonna bother pretending I'm SK anymore? It was a far stronger case. But then you couldn't get me mislynched, could you?

[Twistedspoon]

Mafiosi includes SK to me

it's an easier way of saying mafia or SK. 'Anti-town role' is too long and vague as well

Mafiosk could work next time....

yeah, you can be Mafiosk..

[Hikari Link]

Mafiosi includes SK to me

it's an easier way of saying mafia or SK. 'Anti-town role' is too long and vague as well

Mafiosk could work next time....

yeah, you can be Mafiosk..

Or I could be town and you're full of it. Also, SK is an important distinction. No particular reason for town to lynch SK while scum remain. Scum don't want an SK win anymore than town do, so they gotta kill him as quickly as possible. You've also still not explained how I could possibly be Mafia.

[Maruchan]

Actually there is reason to lynch SK while scum remain and you're deflection from that point makes me wary of you.

With an SK alive, thats two kills a night, and SKs are usually night-kill immune, so they HAVE to be lynched. The fact that both scum AND town WANT them lynched simply makes it easier to get votes to lynch them.

No particular reason to lynch SK when scum live? You've got to be kidding me.

As I have recently learned from the dead QT of Ender's Game

(MOD EDIT: Ender's game meaning the book, not me)

, scum =/= mafioso. scum=anti-town role. SK=antitown rule. By the basic laws of mathematics, sk=scum.

[Twistedspoon]

No particular reason for town to lynch SK while scum remain. Scum don't want an SK win anymore than town do, so they gotta kill him as quickly as possible.

nah, scum leave the SK alive for a bit (around now)so he can clear a few townies for them, or get lynched through wifom

and what's to say that the scum knew there was an SK? They might have thought you were an odd-night vig anyways.

I still think you tried to kill nocase last night with you thinking he was mafiosi

[Hikari Link]

Actually there is reason to lynch SK while scum remain and you're deflection from that point makes me wary of you.

I disagree. Unless the SK victory condition is within range, he has as much potential to help. SK and town both want scum dead. SK just wants town dead too.

With an SK alive, thats two kills a night, and SKs are usually night-kill immune, so they HAVE to be lynched. The fact that both scum AND town WANT them lynched simply makes it easier to get votes to lynch them.

SKs are usually night-kill immune? This is news to me.

No particular reason to lynch SK when scum live? You've got to be kidding me.

Well if they are indeed immune to the night kills, that's an entirely different story. I assumed that they could be killed like anyone else.

No particular reason for town to lynch SK while scum remain. Scum don't want an SK win anymore than town do, so they gotta kill him as quickly as possible.

nah, scum leave the SK alive for a bit (around now)so he can clear a few townies for them, or get lynched through wifom

Seems like a pretty terrible idea. He could take out Mafia, so that's bad. Just my take though. Leaving opposing facions alive seems dangerous.

and what's to say that the scum knew there was an SK? They might have thought you were an odd-night vig anyways.

I... what...? I'm not really sure what's being said here.

I still think you tried to kill nocase last night with you thinking he was mafiosi

Why would I ever kill him over you? That's stupid on so many levels. For starters, I've been saying nocase is town forever. Also, hellhound seems infinitely more likely to be scum. Most importantly, why would I be so retarded as to not put your ass in the ground?
Going to bed now. There's three ways this day will end:

1. TS Lynch. Continued MyLo. This is almost impossible with Timeater existing.

2. My lynch. Scum win.

3. No lynch. nocase/hellhound/Maruchan dies at night, and TS pushes a mislynch on me. Timeater is so far up TS's ass that there's no way he won't follow him and the scum partner will of course go along. Scum win.

So considering a town loss is pretty much decided and my lynch is almost inevitable, I'll take this opportunity to apologize to all of the town. This loss was on me because I pushed the Zdenek lynch yesterday. I was sure he was scum by the way he was acting, but I should've played it more cautiously and just continued with the TS lynch. It doesn't help that I miscalculated the situation. And to make matters worse, I completely didn't consider that the only way we could ever get a scum lynch at this point is with Timeater. I knew from the beginning he would be dangerous in MyLo, but I didn't consider him being this bad. So short of a miracle, I guess we lost. Good game guys. I'm still gonna fight to the last breath, because I don't give up, but it really probably is a lost cause.

[Twistedspoon]

No particular reason for town to lynch SK while scum remain. Scum don't want an SK win anymore than town do, so they gotta kill him as quickly as possible.

nah, scum leave the SK alive for a bit (around now)so he can clear a few townies for them, or get lynched through wifom

Seems like a pretty terrible idea. He could take out Mafia, so that's bad. Just my take though. Leaving opposing facions alive seems dangerous.

In my last game with an SK it was the scum's tactic

and what's to say that the scum knew there was an SK? They might have thought you were an odd-night vig anyways.

I... what...? I'm not really sure what's being said here.

you said scum wouldn't leave an sk alive, but how are they to know you're an SK?

I still think you tried to kill nocase last night with you thinking he was mafiosi

Why would I ever kill him over you?

That's stupid on so many levels. For starters,

I've been saying nocase is town forever.

Also,

hellhound seems infinitely more likely to be scum

. Most importantly,

why would I be so retarded as to not put your ass in the ground?

1) because you know I'm not scum
1b) because I look like great myslynch fodder due to my role
2) you can say he's town, but it's your gun that does the talking.
3) yeah, but it's easier to lynch hellhound than nocase as nocase looks townier
4) because you're not wasting a shot on me and think you can lynch me today.

[Maruchan]

I disagree. Unless the SK victory condition is within range, he has as much potential to help. SK and town both want scum dead. SK just wants town dead too.

I believe every game is unique, but from what games I know of and from off-site experience the SK goal is to be the LAST alive, this means killing both mafioso and town, emphasis on the mafioso. Mafia can win with SK alive when town cannot, therefore it is within the mafia's best interest to get rid of it fast.

Example of an SK PM I have had in the past

Dap

Welcome, Maruchan.

You are

Dap

, the

Overprotective Teacher

. You’re the faculty member in charge of dealing with the launchies, the newest arrivals to Battle School. During recent months, the school seems to have gone completely crazy; students are physically assaulting each other in bathrooms and hallways, and Colonel Graff and Major Anderson have done nothing about it. The environment has become too dangerous for these children, even if they are geniuses. But you can save them! You can use your status as a teacher to

ice

one student every night, sending them back home to Earth, never to return to Battle School.

Additionally, if any students attempt to investigate you to discover who you are, their attempt will be unsuccessful.

Because you are taking matters into your own hands, none of the other faculty would approve.You are working alone in this endeavor.

You win when no students remain in Battle School, and you still remain at the School.

The game thread is here.

Please confirm via PM stating your role name and alignment. If you have questions about your role, please don’t hesitate to ask.

To clarify, you are a Serial Killer. You have one kill per night, and any investigations used on you will fail.

On Night One, your predecessor iced Lord Chronos.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Although you are correct that this particular SK was not night-kill immune, two other games I am in or have read through have had night-kill immune SKs. I believe it is more common for them to be nightkill immune than to not? Although I could be wrong.

The "No students" btw means everyone. I was the ONLY adult-role in the game, so therefore I had to kill scum and town to win. And like I said, from this standpoint, scum are more in-danger from me than town, as they are higher priority to get rid of. Town win condition requires all non-town to be dead, SK win condition requires all non-SK to be dead, and mafia win condition requires JUST town to be dead. Therefore the SK is the first priority for the mafia, and a high priority for the town too, since it gets rid of one more kill per night.

@Mod: IF you were to have an SK in this game, would you have made them night-kill immune? Feel free to state you refuse to answer this question

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[Maruchan]

TO CLARIFY: BY ENDERS GAME DEAD QT I MEANT THE DEAD QT OF THE MAFIA GAME NAMED "Ender's Game Mafia" NOT THE MAFIA GAME MODDED BY ENDER>

I legit lol'ed

[Twistedspoon]

I've played with NK-immune SKs too

[ender241]

@Mod: IF you were to have an SK in this game, would you have made them night-kill immune? Feel free to state you refuse to answer this question

.

I refuse to answer this question.

[Timeater]

I wish people (nocase, timeater) knew how to explain their scumreads

Excuse me?

Shut up terrible bad kid.

Just because someone doesn't have the WILL doesn't mean they dont have the CAPACITY. You are so bad at this game and should have been policy lynched after Tick.