Mini 1219 - Bedtime Stories Mafia - Game Over!

[Ellibereth]

This recent play from him just feels like a sudden shift that makes me uncomfortable though.

Yeah
I WAS almost going to call him town
but this behavior shift only came when he was at a legitimate chance of death etc.

[Thomith]

I always shift behavior if i think i am going to get lynched to prove you wrong, instead of acting the same way which got me voted in the same place and probably get lynched earlier if i am going to get lynched at all.

[Banshee]

Thomith, can you point to or provide a link to a finished game where you were town that you feel is representative of your normal town play?

[Evil Bullet]

[weirdvoigts]

Hi. We'll try to catch up as soon as we can.

[Rainbowdash]

Is this a challenge to a picture battle?


No pony stands a chance.

Due to this

It is, which is why i find neruz scummy, who votes if you don't know if it is a hammer or not, which was neruz's reason (which i don't believe) without a claim, hardly anybody hammers without a claim so why vote in case your vote was the hammer?
Nerus has definately shot up my scum list after this.

I will do this

Vote WV

That quote from Thomith doesn't sound like scum whos partner just got hammered, infact it sounds like Thomith expected a town flip.

[Llamarble]

Scum did have daytalk, which makes me much more expecting-scum-to-know-hammers-weren't-real.
But yeah this is also a good direction to be going.
VOTE: WV

[Rainbowdash]

Im not too sure anypony realized the first one given how fast it happened. Either way, again with no offense to Pinkie Hooves/Thomith, but I don't think he would have realized this, and I don't think that a partner of his would have that quickly either. MAYBE VM did given his posts, but would be against anypony having noticed that let alone passing on the message for Thomith to attack Neruz like he expects VM to flip town.

[Llamarble]

Hiphop + WV is an awesome feeling, but that makes BG + IC + half JK + half vig vs watcher encryptor ?
OK I buy that.

Yepyep
TOWN:
Llamarble
Implosion
Elli
Banshee
Rainbow

PROBTOWN:
EB
Thomith
Neruz

SCUM:
Weirdvoigts
Hiphop

[Neruz]

Neruz is people!

Don't really have much to add, i guess i could be WV scum, but i really can't see Thomith not being scum, stupid scum, but scum.

[hiphop]

It is, which is why i find neruz scummy, who votes if you don't know if it is a hammer or not, which was neruz's reason (which i don't believe) without a claim, hardly anybody hammers without a claim so why vote in case your vote was the hammer?
Nerus has definately shot up my scum list after this.

That quote from Thomith doesn't sound like scum whos partner just got hammered, infact it sounds like Thomith expected a town flip.

If Thomith really expected a town flip, why would he post this without mentioning Voided once in between? Which shows not only shows that he did not think voided was town, but, unlike what you said, it is scum defending their partner, by attacking the attacker.

[Evil Bullet]

right. let's do this.

[hiphop]

What do you think of Thomith?

[Evil Bullet]

I can definitely see WV scum. He's been tunneling Thomith all game.

[Evil Bullet]

Which makes Thomith town but even if WV is town I feel like Thomith is town. This is a D1 read though. I'm catching up now.

[Llamarble]

I am Weirdvoigts' scumbuddy.

[Llamarble]

Also the answer to that point you made is Thomith kind of thought Voided would flip town but then got alarmed when attention shifted off him fastwise.

[implosion]

I am Weirdvoigts' scumbuddy.

Probably.

Frankly I'm more confident of hiphop scum than wv scum but we're lynching in the VTs. I mean... think about it, watcher + innocent child, the combination on its own is a bit overpowered, especially adding in two more protective roles.

[Llamarble]

Giving scum a watcher in a game with an innocent child makes its own awesome kind of sense.
Town PRs have obvious target -> scum watches target -> Scum kills the PRs.
Grey used to play magic, I'll bet he loves synergy like that and the bodyguard - IC combo.

So yeah once we've eliminated the VT scum hiphop is definitely next.

[Thomith]

Thomith, can you point to or provide a link to a finished game where you were town that you feel is representative of your normal town play?

Only other game that i got lynched in early is ongoing, as my other mini i was lynched when i was V/LA.

it is scum defending their partner, by attacking the attacker.

Oh so you didn't find neruz scummy at all for fake hammering?

[Rainbowdash]

Giving scum a watcher in a game with an innocent child makes its own awesome kind of sense.
Town PRs have obvious target -> scum watches target -> Scum kills the PRs.
Grey used to play magic, I'll bet he loves synergy like that and the bodyguard - IC combo.

Yeah thats what I said about five pages ago. Three defensive roles (Watcher, BG, JK) and one confirmed beyond reason town role do not mesh. My only pause on hiphop is that he doesn't look like all that much of a partner to VM, but at this point, it shouldn't effect the WV lynch too much.

[weirdvoigts]

If hiphop's role was town, it seems overpowered with an innocent child. Assuming that the IC was known, and the watcher wasn't, it could net a free scum...and the IC would still be alive because of the bodyguard. This is in addition to the odd-night vig and even-night JK. Add it all up, and hiphop's claim doesn't make much sense. I'd be willing to lynch hiphop today if others are willing to "risk it." The problem is that hiphop and Thomith don't make any sense as buddies.

OK.
Did some metaing
VOTE: Thomith
Will still read more.

Can you explain this "metaing"?

I feel like I should defend against the votes on us, but I'm not really sure what the case is. Anything else I should address?

-bvoigt

[GreyICE]

Vote Count 2.3

Ellibereth(0) -

Banshee(0) -

Evil Bullet(0) -

hiphop(0) -

implosion(0) -

Neruz(1) -

implosion

Llamarble(1) -

Banshee

Rainbowdash(0) -

Thomith (3) -

Weirdvoights, hiphop, Neruz,

weirdvoigts(3) -

Thomith, RainbowDash, Llamarble,

Not Voting (2) -

Ellibereth, Evil Bullet,

With 10 alive, it is 6 to lynch

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[Evil Bullet]

Giving scum a watcher in a game with an innocent child makes its own awesome kind of sense.
Town PRs have obvious target -> scum watches target -> Scum kills the PRs.
Grey used to play magic, I'll bet he loves synergy like that and the bodyguard - IC combo.

So yeah once we've eliminated the VT scum hiphop is definitely next.

This is a terrible post.

Whose idea was a mass claim?

[Thomith]

I think originally rainbows although i don't know for sure, but half the players had softclaimed or claimed a power they wouldn't out we basically were giving scum more informatino than town by not mass claiming imo.