camn's temperamental - Mini 1232 - GAME OVER

[Sathoris]

He said this-

it's you being so convinced I'm scum in your mind

I reiterate. Because that's no explanation.

As Parama said, that quote implies that he thought parama was scumhunting and so town but he says that he thinks that parama is scum.

Let me get this out in the open. Terms like tunneling and scumhunting aren't only town things. Scum can easily make people belief they're scumhunting because every town player makes 'scumtells'. With a third party involved the mafia need to be scumhunting aswell.

Besides I still don't think that quote implied he thought Parama was scumhunting. To me it seemed like he just meant Parama has made up his mind about BBmolla and there's nothing he can do to change his mind.

I reckon I would do the same if I were in that situation. Arguing with someone who tells you to get sexually assaulted in a dark alley is something I won't jump at.

But let's agree to disagree, I don't sense any intentional misrep.

I still think BBmolla or fishy is a safe lynch. Lurc is edging closer depending on his answer to one of my earlier posts.

[Zang]

Haylen- Please answer my question.

Let me get this out in the open. Terms like tunneling and scumhunting aren't only town things. Scum can easily make people belief they're scumhunting because every town player makes 'scumtells'. With a third party involved the mafia need to be scumhunting aswell.

I agree but the implication was the he was genuinely scumhunting as town not fake scumhunting as scum.

Besides I still don't think that quote implied he thought Parama was scumhunting. To me it seemed like he just meant Parama has made up his mind about BBmolla and there's nothing he can do to change his mind.

The point still stands. If parama was scum, how could he be convinced that BB is scum?


I understand what he is saying though now although for some reason his response doesn't seem to be very satisfactory.

[camn]

Hmm. not much blood. I guess I can forgive the holiday weekend.

Parama

- 1

( BBmolla )

Haylen

- 1

( PeregrineV )

BBmolla

- 5

( Parama kanyeknowsbest Chair RedPanda Johhog )

Chair

- 1

( Haylen )

Zang

- 1

( twistedspoon )

Sathoris

- 1

( Lurconis )

NOT VOTING:

( Zang Sathoris fishythefish )

[Chair]

So. Up to page four and oddly enough I agree with all of misder's reads (specifically: lurconis scummy, sathorsis/zang town, fishy town). Not sure about TS. Parama is probably town. I'm not sure about johhog (mixed feelings), but something about this:

ORLY? Heavy FoS: Zang Note: This was originally a vote, but an even scummier player emerged later.

felt a bit disingenuous. Zang asked the obvious question, but to take it a step further: Johhog, when you say that it's scummy because he's trying to get towncred, isn't your reasoning essentially circular? that is, to say that he's doing it in order to gain towncred, you have to assume that he's scum. He could also be genuine town who didn't realize that scum could daytalk pregame. Why jump to the conclusion that Zang is scum from it?

[Chair]

-implosion, by the way.

[Johhog]

It seems fake because of his large experience, considering that so many games have pre-game talk.

[Fishythefish]

I still think BBmolla or fishy is a safe lynch. Lurc is edging closer depending on his answer to one of my earlier posts.

What makes me a good (or "safe") lynch?

More tonight.

[Sathoris]

We've seemed to slow down.

VOTE: BBMolla

Discuss.

[Parama]

Does anyone want to hammer?

[Johhog]

Isn't that a bit early? Don't forget that BBMolla should claim before too.

[Twistedspoon]

Does anyone want to hammer?

not really

pereg hasn't caught up yet and I still find zang a preferable lynch at this moment in time

[kanyeknowsbest]

I didn't think your thinking on your vote was about RVS, your thinking about your vote before placing it suggest anything but RVS. I voted because I feel you contradicted your self by saying "I'm going to run the numbers" and then coming back and not voting. It seemed like you were trying to delay placing a vote to avoid having analysis on you so you could sort of sneak by.

You realize that this game is a game filled with "character" based post restrictions right? The fact that you keep harping on a post restriction like it is indicative of an exceptional win condition is, well, indicative of you having an exceptional win condition.

Basically I am happy with either a BBmolla or Lurconis lynch today. And I'm sorry, but there will be NO extra credit points given for any claim.

[Fishythefish]

What is scum focusing on mislynching one player called if its not tunneling?Well whatever it is, replace tunneling with that, because that's what I meant. I didn't know tunneling implied town.

This doesn't address the problem, though. You said that Parama is so sure that you are scum that anything you say becomes a point against you in his eyes. That's something scum can fake, perhaps, but it's not something they can actually do. What you were accusing Parama of was exactly tunnelling, in a town way, so calling him scum without addressing that seems off to me.

It's called Doublethink.

"The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them....

To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them

, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just as long as it is needed."

He knows he's scum, but he's most likely playing the mindset of "If I were town, who would seem scummy and how could I get everyone to think the same way?" as opposed to "I'm scum, I'm going to push on this guy." Town players play more to "I'm town, who is scummy and why? How have their recent posts changed or not changed my outlook on them?"

Unless it's part of their meta, most town players don't go out of their way to

make

a player look like scum. Those who do pick a target early in the day and construe everything they say in a way that seems scummy. I hate town players who do this, because it's anti town and counter productive.

Does the above sound like Parama's meta to anyone? I've never played with him so I wouldn't know. It's the only plausible explanation I can find.

This really doesn't convince me. Your explanation for Parama's behaviour is that he is scum who is telling deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them. AFAIC, that's a massively overcomplicated explanation, and it doesn't explain anything better than Parama just genuinely believing what he says. Seems to me that you called Parama tunnelled in a way only town get (ie. being so sure you are scum that everything he sees confirms it for him), and you called him scum - and when people pointed out the contradiction, you had to reconcile the two in this rather unlikely way.

Basically, there is no way that "doublethinking scum" is a plausible read for anyone to have on anyone else, particularly so early on. Enough so that I'm ready to hammer. Please claim.

[camn]

Blood, Bitches! Blood!

Parama

- 1

( BBmolla )

Haylen

- 1

( PeregrineV )

BBmolla

- 6

( Parama kanyeknowsbest Chair RedPanda Johhog Sathoris )

Chair

- 1

( Haylen )

Zang

- 1

( twistedspoon )

Sathoris

- 1

( Lurconis )

NOT VOTING:

( Zang fishythefish )

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline is WED, SEPTEMBER 14th, 9am MY TIME.. . Or whenever I get around to it.

[BBmolla]

I am a Town Name Cop. Each night I figure out the name of someone's character.

My character name is Supervisor.

[Chair]

Unvote: BBmolla
Vote: lurconis

-Misder

[kanyeknowsbest]

Chair, how does this claim affect your read on BBmolla's alignment?

[Parama]

^this

[Chair]

We believe the claim. It seems to thorough for scum to make up and the role is reasonable.
Lurconis is now the top of our scumlist.
Also allows us to continue discussing without fear of a "still think bbmolla scum" quicklynch (as in, without discussing). New information is important for town to discuss as soon as possible cause scum can talk all night.

-Misder

[Fishythefish]

Well, BB clearly

is

a name cop - it's a totally confirmable role. But there's no reason to think he's a

town

name cop - it's a role that could certainly be useful for either team. I'm happy to lynch him.

[Chair]

If the role is useful for either team, why wouldn't we keep him alive? What can scum do with a name cop anyways? Since BB is outed, we can use him EVEN IF he is scum cause if he doesn't help us, then we know he's scum.

-Misder

[kanyeknowsbest]

It looks like I'm going to have to go back over your IEP and see if I can't get whoever decided you were ready to be mainstreamed to reconsider. The needs of your exceptional win condition simply are not going to be met in this class.

[Lurconis]

unvote

@Sathoris - Why would you think I assumed you meant RNG. Running the numbers is a common phrase people say when they are going to work something out. I took you saying that as meaning you thought you found something and were going to work it out before placing your vote. When you didn't vote it seemed like scum trying to avoid placing a vote while appearing to scum hunt.
Moving my strongest town read is Zang he seems to make several good points in his posts seems to be reading the thread carefull to try and scum hunt to full potential.
@Fishy - A name cop may be helpful to scum but that is such an easy role to confirm why would we continue to lynch him when we can use him and if as chair says he doesn't help we would know he is scum and would be a safe future lynch as opposed to a mislynch of a PR.
Seems a scum move to want to continue on a lynch of a confirmable PR.
VOTE: FishytheFish

[kanyeknowsbest]

unvote

@Sathoris - Why would you think I assumed you meant RNG. Running the numbers is a common phrase people say when they are going to work something out. I took you saying that as meaning you thought you found something and were going to work it out before placing your vote. When you didn't vote it seemed like scum trying to avoid placing a vote while appearing to scum hunt.
Moving my strongest town read is Zang he seems to make several good points in his posts seems to be reading the thread carefull to try and scum hunt to full potential.
@Fishy - A name cop may be helpful to scum but that is such an easy role to confirm why would we continue to lynch him when we can use him and if as chair says he doesn't help we would know he is scum and would be a safe future lynch as opposed to a mislynch of a PR.
Seems a scum move to want to continue on a lynch of a confirmable PR.
VOTE: FishytheFish

0/100 F
Please see me after class.

[RedPanda]

my top two scum suspects were fishy and BB , seeing fishy's last post i guess only one of them might be scum . im not entirely convinced that BB's a town cop but since its easily confirmable im going to move on to the other scum .

UNVOTE