TV Mafia Game Over - Scum Win

[izakthegoomba]

Ok, so we have a full wagon. Good to know.

[jasonT1981]

Mysterio has been prodded

[ZeL1nK]

I'm not voting to lynch Fourseen. I'm fine with a Mysterio, DavidX or even Pere lynch as a last resort.

I also think if Peregrine is SK (which is entirely possible), he's not a compulsive killer, which would explain the lack of kills in recent nights. I also think Shotty thought he'd be able to 'prove his towniness' or something by getting Pere-SK lynched.

[izakthegoomba]

ZeL1nK, why DX? I'm just curious.

[vezokpiraka]

I want someone dead already.

I am willing to vote silver or peregrine.

[izakthegoomba]

Not Fourseen, then? Do you think he is town?

[Meransiel]

The response to that is probably a meager..."yes". Don't expect cases.

Also, what's with Mysterio?

[Banshee]

@Meransiel:

As for why Mysterio is scum,

On Leon:

My initial thoughts when the game was actually happening and I was participating in D1 were that Leon was town, and I really cannot remember why I thought that. Something he said somewhere made me think it, and I can't find it on rereading.

He was a very low-information poster. A lot of his content was really fluff, and he didn't give much in the way of opinions on people other than who he was voting for (up until people started posting reads lists).

Both the way in which he jumped on the Jil wagon and his position on the Jil wagon were really suspicious. (FTR, this was the jil wagon: Jilynne 4 - Pinky, Vifam, Nero, Leonshade <- and I really do not believe that was 4 townies on a townie, which is why I think at least one of Leon-Myst and NC is scum, more likely Leon-Myst)

His jump on the Vifam wagon was equally suspicious, and the second time he's jumped on a wagon for not much of a reason while providing very little information.

And then, predictably, he joined another town wagon, Zinger, and stayed there for the entire day, using the "well, you lied, gotta lynch you!" defense to justify his vote.

Also, if Mysterio is scum, #993 is worth reviewing because 4 of those 5 players in his reads list are still alive. I personally think that reads list is trash and he was just commenting on mainstream wagons and calling them all scum (other than DavidX who he was null on and required a re-read).

His D2 posts were really, really dodgy in hindsight. He questions shotty a little bit in #1529, but it seems more like "hi, I'm your scum buddy!" than genuinely questioning shotty.

And #1698 is just an intersting read, given the flips so far.

As for Mysterio himself, so far his content can be summed up as:

Vote Oversoul, claim he's either town or he bussed, Vote Castle Bravo, berate Rodion for not wanting to lynch claimed scum, Vote Castle Bravo again (after the Rodion modkill), complain about Castle Bravo's play after he was lynched and complain about having to deal with Shotty, Vote Shotty, point fingers at Peregrine, ask silver

"what makes you think I'm scum?"

And that's it. Rather unimpressive, although I guess that's slightly hypocritical given my play in recent game days.


tl;dr of it: Haven't seen any genuine scum hunting from his slot all game.

The part of the quote above that I bolded is the best and most compelling argument against Mysterio imo.

I vaguely remember thinking Leon was scummy on my first read of the game, but I need to reread in order to remember why. However, I think Silver is scum and Mysterio is unlikely to be scum with Silver so I am basically assuming Mysterio is town for now. I can see ZeL1nK's reasoning but I don't agree with it because he and I differ on Silver; I think ZeL1nK is town though.

[David Xanatos]

Vezok > Why only those two?

[izakthegoomba]

@Meran I wasn't expecting one, I just wanted to know.

So are we going to lynch any time soon?

[Meransiel]

So wait, are you saying that silver and Mysterio are unlikely to be scum together? That is all I need to know.
Now someone vote so I can hammer.

[David Xanatos]

I agree. I fail to see why we're waiting for a /third/ VCA. There's only so many ways you can rearrange the names. -_-

Anyone following the game has likely drawn their own conclusions from the two so far.

[silverbullet999]

Anyone following the game has likely drawn their own conclusions from the two so far.

I want to see his. Why is everyone so rushy -_-

[Meransiel]

Shut up and vote your partner so we can win.

[izakthegoomba]

@silver because nothing's happening. A third VCA won't change anything at the best of times. The fact that we got a VCA from MoI, who died the next night, means that it was probably the one to follow, and scum hoped to throw us off the scent by killing him.

[silverbullet999]

Shut up and vote your partner so we can win.

*kicks you in the balls*

A third VCA won't change anything at the best of times.

It's not going to change anything now nor should it have but it would have been nice to see what he thought. It'd probably be useless info but it could have potentially been something.

but whatevs

VOTE: Fourseen

[Meransiel]

Hammah.

VOTE: FourseenCircumstance

Damn this felt so good.

[izakthegoomba]

Night, night.

[FourseenCircumstance]

My win condition is met, thanks.

[jasonT1981]

scene coming shortly

[jasonT1981]

Day 7 vote count 5

Fourseen 7 - Izak,Banshee,DavidX,Jackalope,Fourseen, Silver. Meransiel
Silver 2 - Nero, Vezo,
Mystero 1 - ZeL1nk

Not Voting

PeregrineV
Mysterio

V/LA

No One

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

[jasonT1981]

You string forseen up on the noose and ask him to claim but you get a rather rude reply

'My god, Sally! could you be any less productive as a town, Newbies, the only way you could be less productive right now is if you were in fact the very wall you are leaning on, but then you'd be providing some Jack-ass with a wall to lean on so it can reflect on how much of a jackass he really is.

I mean You have been wrong about so many things that…I’m not even going to say something’s wrong anymore, instead I’m going to say It’s Dorian!

'The only thing I actually care less about than this game is Hugh Jackman!

So you hang him, and snap his neck..

Was he scum?

FourseenCircumstance was Perry Cox, Vanilla Town. Lynched Day 7.

Night action deadline - (expired on 2011-09-09 13:51:59) though game will open in (expired on 2011-09-08 13:51:59) if all roles actions are received.

[jasonT1981]

You wake up the next morning, some of you are convinced you saw cylons. Others say those people are just crazy. But whatever you saw, you now see the dead body of ZeL1nk lying in the gutter with his Battlestar Galactica uniform still on, I guess he will never make it to Earth.

ZeL1nk was Bill Adama, Vanilla Town. Killed Night 7

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

(expired on 2011-09-29 13:53:37)

till Day 8 Deadline

[PeregrineV]

We have 20 days to lynch. Can we use them this time?

[Banshee]

Snarky answer: Depends on whether anyone else wants to claim SK or scum, doesn't it?

Serious answer: I don't know. Long days lead to fatigue and a willingness to lynch anyone. I'm not sure if we're at LYLO now (I haven't reread MoI's VCA yet, and he wasn't certain of how many scum would be in the setup either) and I don't want to rush either, but I don't know that we need TWENTY DAYS to decide what to do. That seems awfully long.

I think without rereading that Silver and Peregrine are the last of Shotty's results still alive. I could be wrong on this though. WIFOM on what that means, but as I recall every one of his other results flipped the way he said they would.

@Anyone

: Is it even possible to have an SK that chooses not to kill? It's not clear from the wiki and in the games I have played personally or read over that has NEVER been true.