The Mafia Dating Game Show 2 - Game over!

[curiouskarmadog]

and with Amrun's vote, we go to the date.

[Mastermind of Sin]

vote MoS,

you should have known better than keeping me alive...either I am scum, who tried to save a gf, or I am an easy lynch that scum will push at lylo...either way, I should be no where near endgame. MoS plays better than this,

Huh? How does that even make sense? You know me better than to think that I subscribe to the ridiculous theory that protown players should be lynched just because they might be a hindrance to the town. I believe you were the least likely scum out of those three, so I voted to save you. It wouldn't make any sense for me to want you sacrificed if I thought you were probably town.

[Mastermind of Sin]

mod, can you please fix the first page, you have TCL listed as dead and alive, and teamsleep is not in the lineup..


ALSO,

unvote mos, vote teamsleep.

both TCL AND THE LONE WOLF, attacked team sleep yesterday and it is being ignored.

This is a good point, because whichever one of those two the mafia killed, it still points to teamsleep. I need to reread teamsleep and make sure he's actually scummy as opposed to being set up by the scum.

Amrun beeing alive is no suprise I didn't shoot her.
I shot teamsleep yesterday, but the kill didn't go trough.
So either I was roleblocked (Which would have left Farside with a potential Jk vs roleblockerproblem) or teamsleap was protected, which I don't see coming from town.
So

Vote: teamsleep

, who should be dead.
For the second vote I have to check somethink(Iso the mod)

This is not a good point. If you were roleblocked, it would have nothing to do with teamsleep. It would mean that the mafia blocked you to keep you from shooting Amrun, who you claimed would die last night.

Not to mention the fact that on the night you said you would make a kill, we had a second kill for the first time. And neither teamsleep nor Amrun was that second kill.

If you were actually town, StefanB, the correct conclusion from your perspective would be to vote Amrun. Obviously something else is going on here, however.

[farside22]

Looking for love count count:

Stefan (3) Fourseen, Masterofsin, Amrun
CKD (6) Fourseen, CSL, Lowell, Quilford, Vezo, Amrun
Fourseen (3) CSL, Masterofsin, CKD
Amrun (2) Quilford, Vezo
Teamsleep (2) CKD, Stephan



There is 11 players alive it will take 6 to lynch

mod, can you please fix the first page, you have TCL listed as dead and alive, and teamsleep is not in the lineup..

fixed

We have our contestants now on stage. The possible deaths will have to wait till I get home.

For now you are voting whom you wish to win a date (keep safe).

SAFE VOTE:

CKD
fourseen
Stefan

With 8 players voting it will take 5 to save someone

[Mastermind of Sin]

Vote: CKD

[FourseenCircumstance]

^ Scum.

[Mastermind of Sin]

^ Scum.

Ohsnap I can make pointless posts too!

[Amrun]

Vote: fourseen

[Quilford]

Amrun is scum, MoS is probscum, Fourseen is probscum

vote: StefanB

[CSL]

Vote: StefanB

ckd and fourseen are NOT going to be saved today. DO NOT BE INDECISIVE. THEY BOTH NEED DEATH BADLY.

[vezokpiraka]

vote stefan

But I wanted amrun dead. Not the useless fourseen.

[Amrun]

Fourseen is NOT SCUM. Re-read day 1 and tell me why Fourseen is scum.

[CSL]

Tell me why Fourseen ISN'T scum.

[Amrun]

Because of his interactions with Vifam, obviously.

[Lowell]

vote foreseen

. the vibe during the D1 date sequence makes me think four ain't scum.

[StefanB]

CKD: I claimed in post 530 (iso 32).

Mos: What do you mean with:

This is a good point, because whichever one of those two the mafia killed, it still points to teamsleep.

Mafia has 2 kills, (point of the game, which our 2 lynches)

Mos:

This is not a good point. If you were roleblocked, it would have nothing to do with teamsleep. It would mean that the mafia blocked you to keep you from shooting Amrun, who you claimed would die last night.

We had a jailkeeper, that makes a roleblocker unlikly (roleblock vs roleblock), so I assumed Mafiadoc on teamsleep.

Mos wrote:

Not to mention the fact that on the night you said you would make a kill, we had a second kill for the first time. And neither teamsleep nor Amrun was that second kill.

So if I am mafia, the team didn't use that kill to kill anyone who was scummy or suspicious, but offs the to most protownplayers. That gameplan would be beyond stupid. And don't forget mafia lost a kill on day 1, so there is somethink messing with kills.

Mos wrote:

If you were actually town, StefanB, the correct conclusion from your perspective would be to vote Amrun. Obviously something else is going on here, however.

The obvious conclusion would be that Fairside had a roleblock vs roleblock in her gameplan? Sorry I am more believing in the mafiadoc.

Amrun wrote:

StefanB, I don't know what to make of you. You are oh so very scummy, but you claimed vig ... but the point of not lynching vig claims is that they're provable, and yet you've proven nothing.

Not my fault. I send the freaking kill, someone messed with it. We have one missing kill per day at the moment.
If I would be scum and shot you, would anyone blinked if there were only 2 kills? So why should a posible mafia SB not do it? Or shout someone else, who looks scummy. Why shoot the 2 most protownplayers and screw the vicclaim?

[Mastermind of Sin]

CKD: I claimed in post 530 (iso 32).

Mos: What do you mean with:

This is a good point, because whichever one of those two the mafia killed, it still points to teamsleep.

Mafia has 2 kills, (point of the game, which our 2 lynches)

All the more reason for you to make a fake vig claim, if that's true. I do find it interesting that you're pretty much the first person to mention double kills as a possibility.

Mos:

This is not a good point. If you were roleblocked, it would have nothing to do with teamsleep. It would mean that the mafia blocked you to keep you from shooting Amrun, who you claimed would die last night.

We had a jailkeeper, that makes a roleblocker unlikly (roleblock vs roleblock), so I assumed Mafiadoc on teamsleep.

I don't see at all how that makes sense. The existence of one roleblock ability does not at all preclude a second roleblock ability.

Mos wrote:

Not to mention the fact that on the night you said you would make a kill, we had a second kill for the first time. And neither teamsleep nor Amrun was that second kill.

So if I am mafia, the team didn't use that kill to kill anyone who was scummy or suspicious, but offs the to most protownplayers. That gameplan would be beyond stupid. And don't forget mafia lost a kill on day 1, so there is somethink messing with kills.

I disagree that TLW looked protown this game.

Mos wrote:

If you were actually town, StefanB, the correct conclusion from your perspective would be to vote Amrun. Obviously something else is going on here, however.

The obvious conclusion would be that Fairside had a roleblock vs roleblock in her gameplan? Sorry I am more believing in the mafiadoc.

So...either the mafia had a doctor who just happened to protect the guy you just happened to try to kill OUT OF NOWHERE, *or* the mafia had a roleblocker who blocked you to save Amrun. Yea, one of those two scenarios requires a much bigger leap of faith.

Amrun wrote:

StefanB, I don't know what to make of you. You are oh so very scummy, but you claimed vig ... but the point of not lynching vig claims is that they're provable, and yet you've proven nothing.

Not my fault. I send the freaking kill, someone messed with it. We have one missing kill per day at the moment.
If I would be scum and shot you, would anyone blinked if there were only 2 kills? So why should a posible mafia SB not do it? Or shout someone else, who looks scummy. Why shoot the 2 most protownplayers and screw the vicclaim?

So what you're telling us is that we *should* have two mafia kills a night, even though there was no evidence to support that. Except now because of your claim, you're saying we should have 2 kills on odd nights and 3 kills on even nights? Why should we believe something so ridiculous?

[StefanB]

MoS: I will just quote Farside in the signuptread:

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If you don't remember the first show this is how it works. Everyone has 2 votes to vote for 2 people. Mafia gets 2 kills during the night.
There are 19 people in this game and believe me it goes very, very quickly.

All players have 2 votes. When a majority is reached on one player or deadline hits, the top 3 players with the most votes will become "contestants" all via for a date.
In reality they are looking to be saved. At this point everyone has 1 vote in which to save (give a date) to. That one player will not be lynched, however the other two players in the hot seat will die a horrible, horrible death (be lynched).
The mafia not to be out done with all this get 2 night kills.

I could continue but ISO 0+5 should be enough.
So having knowledge that all players should have is scummy? I know what I am playing normally.

[StefanB]

Sorry for messing up the first quote.
Yes mafia has 2 kills, fact.
I have one kill every second night (2,4...)
2 roleblockers are messy, so I didn't think that was so likly. Roleblockers blocks roleblocker, can be mindblowing.
Are they this common? (First larger game)
TLW basicly killed Vifam, most obvious town this game.

FoS MoS, was that serious?

[StefanB]

Forget the FOS the fact, that MoS doesn't know that part of the game makes him probably town.

[StefanB]

At all: Please don't forget that mafia has 2 kills and believe that. (I really hope that this was only new for MoS)
For tonight I am basicly vanilla, so not much harm done, if lynched.
Don't forget quite players.
Don't forget there is are 2 players left who voted only for Vifam and some who didn't vote to save on day 1 at all.

[Amrun]

MoS was always town.

But yeah, I would say that's a townslip. MoS, two kills was always common knowledge.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Hmm...

Unvote

Now I feel kinda stupid for missing the mod's post. I need to pay more attention.

I wish we had had this argument before you got put on the chopping block, cuz then I would have voted Amrun instead.

By the way, Roleblocker vs Roleblocker isn't that difficult to figure out. Unless they target each other, the RB that blocks the other RB takes precedence. If they target each other, my personal opinion as a mod is that the first one to send in their choice would take precedence. This only matters because one would be a Jailkeeper in this instance, so that ability is also a protect. In the case of straight RB vs RB, there would never be a problem, because if they both target each other, then they've wasted their abilities anyway.

Moral of the story is, I'd say that mafia roleblocker is a hell of a lot more common than mafia doctor. In fact, I don't think I've ever actually been in or modded a game with a mafia doctor. I know the role exists, but I certainly wouldn't call it common enough to think that's what was going on here.

Vote: StefanB

[Amrun]

Yeah, mafia roleblocker would never target a vig who has declared a town target.

If StefanB flips town, teamsleep needs to die immediately.

[Mastermind of Sin]

^says the guy who StefanB was going to kill.

No one's claiming the mafia blocked Stefan to save Amruntown...