The Children of Húrin Mafia (GREAT REVIVAL)

[Furcolow]

He can't be Gandalf.... Are you joking?
This is when Gandalf wasn't known as Gandalf yet, and was just a little-baby-maiar

[Furcolow]

I know the Silmarillion
The sons of Hurin is a reference to men
There are a few Elvin kingdoms up... Gondolin... Nargothrond....
There are High Elves, and Wood Elves, already, I believe. The Eldar, and the Nolder. Elves get into human politics at the time... Elves like Maedthros (may-uh-thrOs afaik) were hung up and tortured on the walls of Angmar for hundreds of years where they didn't really die, they just faded away

humans hit this world, manwe favoring them in a sense, and hit it hard tbh. The elves had gone from living in the land of the valar (kind of like the pantheon in greek, but it's an "island to the west", where frodo sailed off too at the denoument of the return of the king) there have been evil invading the good parts of everything throughout the silmarillion (i know this is a different book) for instance, ungoliant, a gigantic spider, was a 3rd party a little bit before this time that was recruited by sauron or melkor to assault these trees... you know the white tree symbol of Gondor? yeah. It was around that time that Melkor really coveted these things that Feanor crafted... Feanor put his soul into them, they were like gems, although I am a little iffy on the 3 rings given to the elves, I believe 7 to the dwarf lords, and the 9 ones given to the men amongst the witch king (he wasnt the witch king then) and shit, but it is similar to that. Objects can have powers, as the palantir do in LOTR. Here they were these elf stones that he coveted.

Some elves, like Fingolfin, would directly stand up to Melkor. Feanor was different. He felt, being the eldest son, he should take over. It didn't happen, so his father actually left with him when abdicating the throne of the high elves. They went to a different land. Eventually, like I've stated, the elves came under siege and treachery from melkor... Feanor returned, his 2nd brother whose name I forgot actually felt like he should be king... I'm really rusty on all of this, I haven't read it all in about 9 or 10 years

Onto the dwarves, create by Aule, they are not as prevalent. The only dwarf who is really prevalent around this time period is Mim, but we don't really have to worry about him, as he largely worked with the elves and humans against evil. He was sort of treacherous, but if he's in the game he will not be affiliated with Melkor/Angmar whatsoever who will be evil.

The humans I am really, really, really hazy on. I know Hurin was the head of the line that Turin was on, so Turin Turambar is probably our hero.

The human host was located south of Angmar, and were the direct front of the brunt of the forces in battles. Gondolin was south of it, the wood elves were to the east, and those were the ones that associated with the dwarves most as they were north of the eastern elves and to the east of angmar

[Furcolow]

I'm just wondering if this is before or after the Nirnaeth Arnoediad

EBWOP: Mine was NOT A summary
it was a WHAT-IS-HAPPENING-BEFORE-THIS; prologue; synopsis;wtfe

[Furcolow]

We might not have Hurin whatsoever if it is after the nirnaeth, the battle of unnumbered tears, where he was captured by morgoth and held unto the high mountains watching the cursed fate of his sons

[Furcolow]

whoever is turin, not me you guys, watch out for glaurung and beleg, you might have to kill them

[Furcolow]

Magister Ludi, I will answer that.

It depends on WHAT 3rd party. If it is a 3rd party that is similar to a benedict arnold, or turncoat, that can be recruited by scum, it definitely hurts scum

If it is cult? Null

If it is killer? Town

So... It depends

[Furcolow]

Gandalf, are you here? I want to ask you something that I want a quick answer to.

will-o-the-wisp don't you strawman me again
i am NOT saying he is ANY of those roles

[Furcolow]

Gandalf, what is the name in your role PM?

[Furcolow]

yet again another misrepresentation/misunderstanding
do it a third time and im not going to reply to you whatsoever, or move my vote off of you
you now know what i meant, and if you don't, you would be of a mind to not reply to this whatsoever UNTIL YOU DO.

[Furcolow]

I'm waiting for a "but your vote isn't on me", and I will tell you you need to fucking go find the wizard of oz

[Furcolow]

There is NO WAY your role PM name is GANDALF. He DID NOT get that name at the time of this story.

vote: Gandalf

you are lying, your character, if Gandalf, would be called OLORIN. THAT IS HIS NAME AT THE TIME OF THIS STORY.

[Furcolow]

wow will for scum because of "Gandalf, would you be able to tell what exactly the timeline is if you knew other names?" dat rolefish/namefish

Gandalf ASKED FOR FLAVOR KNOWLEDGE. I didn't do it randomly.

[Furcolow]

and you can go fuck yourself, "

smurf

", mmkay?

Please use more respectful/appropriate language towards other players in this game, even if someone else did it first. Thanks. - Plum

[Furcolow]

there goes the "I'm going to try to be nicer to you, Furcolow", what'd it last, 1 post? Good job, bro.

[Furcolow]

Well, first off, can a town vig kill me? I'd appreciate that. I'm a great policy vig.

[Furcolow]

ARE U REFERRING TO THE NIRNAETH ARNBRODIAD?

[Furcolow]

there IS no timestream. he CANNOT be gandalf, if his name is gandalf. Gandalf CANNOT EXIST in 2 places at the same time, can he? IT WOULD RIP THE SPACE-TIME-CONTINUUM.

he was alive, and was a maiar of manwe, and was called olorin
he is lying
lynch all liars
lynch gandalf 2011

[Furcolow]

Andrius, are you an elf that needs help as you are being strung up, or are you perhaps Hurin, forced to look upon your cursed children?
Why do you not remember anything?

[Furcolow]

I know what I want to do, just forgot how to do it
so we can slay some goblins, need to find my bro Turin

[Furcolow]

...?

[Furcolow]

2 votes in a row, 0 reasons
cool story

[Furcolow]

i was just making a huge post about why gandalf is lying, the detriments of what third party he could possibly be based upon the story, and then there is an idiotic flash wagon forming on me? not cool

i'm at 3 votes, and 0 reasons now
good job

[Furcolow]

your reason was "i'm going to sheep"
that is not a reason for "this is why i'm voting the person i'm sheeping on"
it was more like im going to be an idiot and proxy my vote to whoever does action A.

[Furcolow]

still not a reason for you voting ME

[Furcolow]

yeah, lets get the guy trying to scumhunt and deduce who could be scum and third party so that he can get them lynched

[Furcolow]

If he is what he claims to be he isn't bad for town. I want to keep him around to actually possibly find out what he actually is before going and lynching him. Put simply I have no idea if he is lying or not.

And no of course you don't not scumhunt, you just don't get all serious. People need to ease into a game. Taking the first day slowly and not really doing too much early actually helps later on as people have more interest in the game. It's far to late for that though.

That's actually decent Chrono.

Kanye is too concerned about this. The issue is trivial at this point.

Vote: Furc

summary of this post: "Gandalf is good for the town
he might not be lying (when it is 100% clear that he is, as his character WAS ALREADY IN THE SILMARILLIONS TIME PERIOD AND WOULDNT NEED TO GO BACK)

it's ok to scumhunt, but guys, let's joke
lets take this slow"

then he votes me for no reason
what a joke post
this better be a reaction test, or else

[Furcolow]

anyways, gandalf's character is called olorin, he is a maiar, and he wouldnt need to go back in time as he already was there with manwe

[Furcolow]

im not talking to you.
i'm talking to everyone who isn't a sheep, the rest of the town who has competency.

Espeonage said "we don't know if Gandalf lied"
I have provided multiple reasons for exactly that

His name is a lie
His "time-travelling" is a lie, as it wouldn't be needed
He is a liar

[Furcolow]

I am not overreacting to votes when they have NO reason behind them, when I am adept at the subject involved (I just brought down my unfinished tales... which.... I have left unfinished after all these years), and I am actively scumhunting and calling YOU out on lying

[Furcolow]

three votes, three votes, three votes? what is this, the wizard of oz? what are you repeating yourself three times for, some ruby slippers taking you home?

[Furcolow]

unvote;
vote: Chronopie

[Furcolow]

Ludi, phrase it as such, and I might

basically, quit being bossy

[Furcolow]

you didn't ask a question, bub

[Furcolow]

Ludi, phrase it as such, and I might

basically, quit being bossy

[Furcolow]

This wouldn't have spanned several pages if you asked the first time.
Not answering you until you ask. How can I go without answering a question that isn't asked? You're telling me to do something. I'm telling you no.

[Furcolow]

upon a re-read, I saw it, but I will not clarify until you ask me politely.

[Furcolow]

hence my 170

[Furcolow]

Answer now. What do you mean by post 172.

post 172 was a quote from you, quoting me, and quoting you.
Perhaps you should answer that one.

[Furcolow]

unvote

[Furcolow]

Ok, stonewall.

Unvote

Vote: Furcolow

He's a good general... was, rather. Pity his own men shot him, but that's what you get dressed up as the enemy, riding on horseback in the middle of the night, scouting... alas.

[Furcolow]

Hey, Ludi, notice how I answered what you asked?
Perhaps you shouldn't blame me on this one.
I don't mind your vote, though, at all.

[Furcolow]

Gandalf, can you like for real admit you're not Gandalf in this game? There is no possible way that is the name of your character

[Furcolow]

I noticed you asking for help
that lead me into telling the story
and lead into andrius vote on me

great

2 guys who don't know who they are? that's wonderful

[Furcolow]

I find going off topic like chrono did to be scummy
I find scum doing it way more than town

[Furcolow]

I brought my copy of The Unfinished Tales down
Guess what's in it? Narn i chin Hurin

[Furcolow]

Fuck, I forgot Andrius is a real person. I imagine him wearing a cute, French beard, and baking pastries.

[Furcolow]

THESE VOTES ON ME WITH NO REASONS BETTER BE OFF WHEN I WAKE UP, IM TIRED OF THIS

[Furcolow]

unvote;
vote: spyrex

[Furcolow]

i missed spyrex's post earlier
it made me smile inside

unvpte

you need a coat, hon?

[Furcolow]

MoI and Andrius need to form a town voting bloc

[Furcolow]

ok i read MoI and andrius's walls now

[Furcolow]

Kanye, do you like Fish Sticks?

[Furcolow]

Elli, how is that vote useful, or on any tell whatsoever? the guy has 3 posts, in which he lets it be known he has some flavor knowledge, or knows how to read

what is your reason for this vote?

[Furcolow]

Do you lynch all lurkers universally, or are you selective and picky?

[Furcolow]

he has been posting in another game for the last half day, while not voting in this one whatsoever
lynching a lurker is good, as activity can be held accountable
I will consider it, if others actually mount pressure on him

[Furcolow]

^ 2. chonopie is actually scum due to the LoL filler

[Furcolow]

what?

[Furcolow]

Spyrex isn't scum per se

[Furcolow]

magister ludi is probably not town

[Furcolow]

I support myself being vigged
will explain more later

[Furcolow]

If I ever said Ludi is scum, I take it back
Ludi is 100% town, and fuck me saying he's town as a scumslip
... if he IS actually scum, that last post was beautifully crafted

[Furcolow]

Dear god, I hope you get sitebanned.

[Furcolow]

I guess I'll just say I dislike you

[Furcolow]

the eyerolling bit... just feels pompous, self-indulgent, arrogant, and unnecessary
but that's not where it started
i didnt like it the moment i read your first post

[Furcolow]

I don't hope you get site banned, I just wish you'd be a bit more mature, and coming from me, that's something.

[Furcolow]

That vig me post is actually very vital to the game
I need a town vig
Sorry that you didn't realize that

Also, MB, considering who you're hydra-ing with, you have no right to say "get back on track" or that anything is pointless.

let's quote a few here:


This post is helpful?

Dear god, I hope you get sitebanned.

How about this one?

So Oversoul is really asking for us to be vigged because we lynched him in another game. Vigs, if any of you make a shot based off that list I will find where you live and kill you in your sleep.

I already told them for personal reasons.

- Oversoul

This gem?

ebwop:

- Oversoul

Yeah, no room to talk, wisp

[Furcolow]

Honestly, MB
I have no problem with YOUR posts

[Furcolow]

Honestly, I wish you all would quit feeling the need to double post just to state which of you posted something.
You all have been tunneling on Kanye since your first post
I said I would elaborate on needing a town vig to visit me later
use your imagination as to why I would request that if you want
I'm not outting until it happens, if it happens, and when it happens

[Furcolow]

especially since he stayed on Gandalf for as long as it was "safe" to stay there, and once the wagon was obviously dead in the water,

I couldn't have been far off the second person to leave that wagon.

When the 2nd person was KATSUKI, that doesn't help.

[Furcolow]

Why would Katsuki even be in danger of being lynched?

Because he's really scum.

If Katsuki faking a towntell of flailing and allcapsing
Does Katsuki do that as scum?

They unvoted off the Gandalf wagon right before you, 2nd, as you probably already know and are acting like you don't

The scum unvoting off of that wagon, to me, so far, looks like YOU, and I came off of it right before you guys.

Stevie/Chronopie/Empking/AurorusVox
If I had a vote, I should have it on one of these fmpov
That, or someone like Katsuki on what I presume to be policy.

EBWOP: If I had to pick between Kanye and LordChronos, Kanye is a better policy lynch, but LordChronos is probably actually scum. Kanye has been scummy, but I feel it is more due to idiotic phone posting than him having buddies. I don't know how he plays, though, and I'm assuming he's on a phone by the way he posts. It could just be Kanye being Kanye.

My last paragraph was sort of inappropriate because I have no reason to defend Kanye other than what I have read of the game so far.

Ellibereth's last line is scummy as fuck

[Furcolow]

Im so dumb I was mixing my active games

[Furcolow]

I found a few people buddying, and it has been pervading my... being, or whatever you want to put here. I need to decide whether or not it is scum on town or scum on scum.

[Furcolow]

spyrex, urwin - ning with an e?
why aren't we lynchin' ye?

[Furcolow]

i mean you softclaimed bp and not the vested kind

[Furcolow]

Are you a Beautiful Princess figuratively, or literally?

[Furcolow]

People have really been going after him since the RVS
Scum are probably picking up on it subconsciously, or through reading at a skim like they always do

The wagon went like this, after Kanye's wagon was in its infancy. It kickstarted post-RVS right after our last votecount.

Sun and Moon says I need vigged, jumps on gandalf wagon (presumably due to him lying)

SpyreX - 2 - Gut, gandalf5166
gandalf5166 - 4 - SpyreX, kanyeknowsbest, Espeonage, Sun and Moon
Furcolow - 1 - Andrius
kanyeknowsbest -

[2]

– PeregrineV, SCUM

Will-o-Wisp

SCUM
Katsuki - 4 - Mastermind of Sin, MagnaofIllusion, Empking, LordChronos
PeregrineV - 1 - VitaminR
LordChronos - 2 - Ellibereth, Magister Ludi
Not Voting (8): Sun and Moon, Chronopie, Dekes, mockingjaye, Wraith, Will-o-wisp, Katsuki,

Furcolow

Will-o-Wisp responds quickly, and he votes kanye at the head of their post, making known their intent to kickstart an easy wagon on town, possibly to save one of their own.

If you give notice to where this vote happened, in that it happened right after S&M voted for Gandalf, it really shows how shit the kanye wagon is

vote: Will-O-Wisp

[Furcolow]

While I sort out gandalf's pseudo scum claim...

Fos: Chronopie

18 posts since last posting here, several of which coming today? For shame!

I wish you had voted here. I'm so down for a chronopie wagon. It's just something the town won't bite on with me, as Will-o-Wisp doesn't seem to be

I could see how this wagon on Katsuki goes, or vote Gandalf for the following reasons:
1) lynch all liars
2) his last post made me realize he doesn't even know he's town
3) if he's town, will it really be that big of a loss?
4) it might help us figure out what Andrius's win condition might look like if neither are lying
5) if Gandalf is lying, we likely lynch scum

Also, Andrius, you didn't list The Unfinished Tales, which has this story in it.

[Furcolow]

boys, calm down

[Furcolow]

Wraith, it is very possible that a player like MoI, Andrius, MoS who is good has eluded your scumhunting judgment

[Furcolow]

Feysal, be so kind as to point out any mistake I have made other than incorrectly typing the word Noldor

[Furcolow]

If it wasn't for you having a grudge against me ever since I endgamed you as scum, I would be voting you, but I saw in Cold War that you're not going to let that shit go, Feysal

[Furcolow]

I want to be vigged, Ludi

[Furcolow]

*AAAAGH* YE' GOT ME.

[Furcolow]

Espeonage admits to voting 3rd party

Ugh i was hoping to save that debate. To put it simply kanye has every right to want a lynch on Gandalf, however he is using the complete wrong reasons.

It is rather common for there to be non malicious third parties that can co-exhist with the town.

I'm neither here nor there on kanye.

unvotes as he is "Not malicious"

Unvote

Don't think he is malicious.

At first glance, this is great, he's scumhunting. On second thought, though, isn't voting 3rd party something scum do just to take away? I know you all feel that way, else there wouldn't be a wagon on Kanye!

He says "some third parties aren't malicious", as in they're not dangerous to town. That implies they're not dangerous to scum, either. When he decided Gandalf wasn't malicious, he unvoted him, as non malicious third parties help scum out more than anything else in mafia. Fool? Lyncher? Great examples. They often even claim or counterclaim. People who are like "Gandalf is lyncher/reverse-lyncher" are less likely scum than someone like Espeonage for this.

Hidden deep in here, and the reason I'm suspicious, is that Espeonage KNOWS BETTER. If he was town, he would be looking for orcs and such, not resorting to wagonning obvious derpy 3rd party Gandalf

unvote
vote: Espeonage

[Furcolow]

The misty mountains haven't even existed yet. You realize there are breakings of the world when coming into a new age, right? We're back before the third age, bro, something, if you really new the flavor, you would know. I mean, with you and Gandalf talking LOTR, you probably thing we have Ancalagon the black, and not Glaurung!

"The trees of Valinor had nothing whatsoever to do with the white tree of Gondor, nor did the Silmarils have much in common with the Rings of Power. Feänor did say he could only create them once, but the true reason why they were precious was not because he had put his soul in their making, but because of the light that lived in them alone."
I hope youre joking
seedlings, and all

secondly, the silmarils and the rings are definitely tied together. sad you don't realize that.

thirdly, you are hitting LATER than i intended with the feanor thing. You should go back and study when Ungoliant attacked, and right before. Feanor was DEFINITELY exiled. Sorry you missed that.

You have a scholar's opinion on it all, but you have not really put 2 and 2 together
I have been reading the Unfinished Tales... sad you don't realize this is from that
and the children, or "sons of hurin" as I have called them is a term I have used for lineage. Sorry you took it at face value.

"I think we do need to concern ourselves with Mîm. He may not have been in league with Morgoth, but he did aid the orcs in their assault upon Túrin and his company for petty revenge. The treacherous little petty-dwarf should die with a dart in his throat, I say."
I disagree with this
1) Mim lead them to safety
2) He forgave Turin for slaying his own child
He could

easily

be good in this story.

I would wager that when I get finished rereading about Turin Turambar, I will be far more adept at the flavor than you
You just want to ad hominem against me, passively, to discredit me
Not going to happen in this setup
People will realize that I am very keen on Tolkien. If this was LOTR, it would be even more evident.

On to Cold War... You replaced into that game, and got lynched as town
What happened to me? I eventually became confirmed town (except to The Fonz, who I had pegged as scum)
I didn't get lynched
I got nightkilled
You were a mislynch, whereas I wasn't
You can blame my methods, but like I've already said, scum had to hit me in the night. What happened to you, champ?

[Furcolow]

Espeonage's "reasoning" and "defense" is a joke
I strongly encourage that wagon, and I will remain on it longer than I usually would, because I personally am ready to lynch

Katsuki

Feysal. I hope more than MoI take that wagon seriously. I know he does, because he has inquired our "beatiful princess Spyrex" as to whether or not

he

she would jump onto it

[Furcolow]

"becamed confirmed town" (as a blue) "not skillful"
cool story, bro

[Furcolow]

You're welcome, mockinjaye, if you're thanking me for the Espeonage case~

[Furcolow]

will support espeonage/feysal/empking wagons
dislike kanye wagon, as i am feeling VI town, but if he wants to keep pushing on Gandalf, we can get rid of him, too

[Furcolow]

Your definitely of OMGUS is half right
you can, however, be voting someone who is suspicious of you and voting you for other reasons, which makes your definition wrong.
If scum vote you, and you point out a scumslip they made when you countervote them, that is not OMGUS to me.
If you vote them for simply voting you or being suspicious of you,

that

is omgus
some omgus is town, however

vote: Feysal

I didn't realize this wagon had this much tread
I am way happier with it than Kanye, because of his logical fallacy (ad hominem) involving me

[Furcolow]

I put in less, and I lurk, unless it comes to coordinating nightkills, with which I am pretty fiery.

[Furcolow]

/selfmeta

[Furcolow]

I don't consider myself a village idiot.
I find ad hominem to be a scumslip.
I'm voting you for a scumslip.
Quit arguing semantics, and get some rope.

[Furcolow]

"You say this after making an argument that is pure semantics? The way you blend incompetence with hypocrisy is amazing."

Nice strawman
Yet again, your only goal here is to discredit me, when better players than you have been impressed with my play this game

You know why it's a strawman here? You're purposefully being obtuse with this, and it's the same reason why I called you out on arguing semantics. You know what I mean, but you're acting like you don't. What are you trying to hide?

The

ONLY

reason I said "quit arguing semantics" was because you were all like "

actually

it's not namecalling if you call yourself that too!!!11!!" when, in fact, it is. You were like "it's not a logical fallacy, bro", when I've heard it is from so many people. Do you think I made that up?

If yes, your alignments are up in the air, and if not, that would make you scum.

this is very illogical
the reason it is VERY illogical, is because you think it isn't
Gandalf's meta PROVES he will lie AS TOWN. Him lying is null. You lying, here, is different.
That's why you're getting some rope~

The fact that I have not listed either of you as a scum read and that you have your own category should tell you something. I don't fully trust either of you, but neither do I see anything that would warrant seeking your immediate deaths. I am willing to wait for you to remember who you are before deciding.

When he says he's willing to wait, here, that seals any wavering I had. I'm pretty sure I'm ready to write them off as town assuming they're not lying. He's willing to write them off as scum if they are. I'm wanting to keep an open mind in relation to the story, he's wanting to wait to see if he can accrue any scumbuddies. That's my take on this.

OH, that was the entirety of your post?
Doesn't seem like a town-feysal wall to me.

Anyways, honestly, if you were town you would have "dismissed" me as a VI; You wouldn't be tunneling on me if you were town; you would be scumhunting as town, and you're not. Don't defend it with "I MADE A LIST AND RANKED ALL THE PLAYERS"
1) your scumteam could have done that
2) that takes like 2 minutes tops
3) we have no proof you've even read the game
a. your team could have open discussion during the day (daytalk), and coaching you on what do say
b. you haven't quoted shit that has impressed me, or scumhunted whatsoever

I do make idiotic mistakes as town on the reg, but we're only human. I win way more often than I lose when I play mafia, am a good scumhunter, and have good night actions when I don't WIFOM all game. I do not consider myself a village idiot, and you calling me one and berating me will definitely get me to get the mod in on this if you don't stop.

[Furcolow]

Yet again, your only goal here is to discredit me, when better players than you have been impressed with my play this game.

Spoiler: Impressions of Furcolow by other players:

FUCK YOU FURCOLOW ITS MAEDHROS. MY FAVORITE NOLDOR.

Furcolow's summary is not town. Posting flavor for others is a way of faking content. Sadly, Furco's always a

smurf

so this is going to get interesting.

Furcolow. I don't care.

Furc is entertaining.

You can be day two lynch.

Furc's summary doesn't make any sense.

Elli and Furc are being slightly anti-town.

Ok, stonewall.

Vote: Furcolow

As much as I'd like to vote Furc for being his normal terrible self I don't see his reaction as scum-driven at this point.

Vig List

1. Master Ludi
2. Furc (by request)
3. See what shapes up day2, then pick another player.

Read up. Furcolow can be for vigging.

You have a fifth of the posts in the game and for the most part, they are useless.

Furcolow

- Typical Furc play, mostly being an overreacting idiot.

Nice impressions there. The only positive comment anyone has made about your play is mockingjaye in post #555. You really don't need me to discredit you, since you do it so well to yourself. In fact I don't even feel like I need to respond to the nonsense in the rest of your post, that would only perpetuate this battle of walls. I am amused though that you think I'm tunneling on you. Seems to me like it's the other way around.

I do not consider myself a village idiot, and you calling me one and berating me will definitely get me to get the mod in on this if you don't stop.

If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Calling you a village idiot is an accurate characterization of your play, and one you have used of yourself whenever it has suited you. It is no more ad hominem or calling you names than calling a scum player scum. If you can't stand having your play scrutinized by other players, mafia is not the game for you.

My play doesn't deserve scrutiny this game
I have completely ignored quoting Wraith's above post
If he can't figure out who I'm talking to, HE'S the one you should be calling that

[Furcolow]

1) Wraith, it's not like we ever hear much out of you
2) I agree with a lot of things Dekes said, but that last wall of his is sitting wrong with me
3) I agree with Empking, for once, moreso than Dekes, and am kind of leaning town on him

Dekes "well I might get on the Feysal wagon if it nears deadline" doesn't feel right
he "got a better view of that slot", but isn't doing anything about it?
He also defends Kanye, someone I'm really unsure of, but a person getting a ton of random pressure over his tunneling of Gandalf

[Furcolow]

Feysal voting Kanye has given me more reason to keep my vote here for now. Kanye-wagon is bad.

I'm a little worried. I've never seen Furcolow be this verbose and cohesive in his arguments with people. Usually he's on the level of vezok or benmage, from what I've seen. I don't have a scum-meta on Furcolow, though. Can anyone speak to whether he tends to put in more effort when he's scum?

Feysal, you said noone has complimented me, but my language skills got a half-handed compliment here that warmed my heart, so you can suck it

[Furcolow]

you must have missed it while you were scum skimming

[Furcolow]

it's not what you know, it's what you can convince everyone else
MoI has just confirmed there are probably roles like that unless he made up the seraph's contacting him

[Furcolow]

disagree
i've really liked him being honest and sort of anal about being lynched
i feel my town read on him growing

[Furcolow]

Willow is scum w feysal. Willowisp is parroting arguments on kanye, with them voting first near the r v s even and at the head of the wagon. Also was slippish on "your" as opposed to my or our talking about MOI APPEARING town. Has probably not even been really reading just tunneling.

[Furcolow]

I wouldn't expect you to be able to.

[Furcolow]

Anyone want to wagon chronopie if he doesn't vote in his next post?

[Furcolow]

andrius, i don't have any negative utility, but me being vigged will end in a very protown action, and i'm not saying that as a policy

[Furcolow]

Spyrex you're not getting the hammer. Andrius, you won't regret it. I need to doublecheck tho. Empking I had the same thought.

[Furcolow]

I'm considering just voting Kanye because, as Espeonage said, he is actually a decent policy lynch
However, I feel like he is town, and that it is the scum-driven wagon of the two, whereas feysal is

actually

scum
perhaps we can coordinate a lynch on someone we can agree on

how about this guy?

sun and moon

he hasnt been contributing shit
and ive seen him play better in [redacted]

[Furcolow]

Im ok with a town voting bloc
why do you include elli?
really null on them... they havent really contributed anything that i remember

[Furcolow]

No offense, elli, but Andi seeing you as town is wtf?

[Furcolow]

Andrius:
This is just a cunning play to get Fey lynched, isn't it?

I approve.

he's quite the cunning linguist, indeed

ebwop: frenzy was rofl-easy

[Furcolow]

ThAdmiral's ability really helped

[Furcolow]

Ok, let's get back on track though.

Kanye wagon is from RVS, and is shit
Feysal wagon is from MoI successfully grilling and scumhunting on Katsuki

[Furcolow]

I guess, to play devil's advocate, the kanye wagon starting in RVS is illogical in terms of its relevancy. He could have just been that damn scummy.

The Feysal wagon coming from MoI grilling Katsuki could just be based on the meta of MoI being a prick to Katsuki

[Furcolow]

vote: WilloWisp

[Furcolow]

that is just speculation
it doesn't mean they would replace out as scum
however, there is a first for everything, and it's not like we can ask Katsuki
even if we ask feysal, he can just lie

[Furcolow]

Andrius, there are a lot of people opposed to Feysal
I don't think it will happen over KKB
Sun and Moon or WilloWisp ... hell even chronopie
those are where we should shift the lynch

[Furcolow]

vote: peregrinev

feysal, i haven't ever really thought you were scum, i was voting you and calling you scum because you are an asshole to me

[Furcolow]

pretty sure we're at 7-7 with gut pulling off
Ludi, vote peregrine

[Furcolow]

peregrine i wasnt talking to you, i was talking to feysal
the we in my post is us collectively

[Furcolow]

unvote

[Furcolow]

dunno. Still waiting on someone to answer my meta question about Furc.

Furcolow answered it himself...

I put in less, and I lurk, unless it comes to coordinating nightkills, with which I am pretty fiery.

For what it's worth, I can confirm this. I have played with Furcolow as town twice, and as scum once. The scum game was Mafia Holographica, where Furcolow lurked his way through the game, and after the town had destroyed itself by infighting, he endgamed me. Don't know about the night kill coordination part, but since that does not happen in public anyway, who cares.

I'm pretty sure that Furcolow is town this game. He tends to be spammy as town, and true to that meta he has a significant share of the posts in this thread to his name. Metas can be faked of course, but to tell the truth, I don't think Furcolow has it in him.

I fake metas all the time
I duped a guy with a meta with which I used to always fakeclaim as town

[Furcolow]

revote: peregrineV

rolefishing way worse than he should have

[Furcolow]

whoever hammers gets townpoints

[Furcolow]

VIG ON ME TONIGHT

[Furcolow]

great, I can only imagine the mafia meeting
"chronopie ISN'T scum?" "Yeah, he's lurking pretty hard"
"He's probably a town aligned power role"
"Let's kill him, he is actively lurking and isn't mafia"

great job chronopie
i could really learn from your play

anyway, feysal visited me last night

[Furcolow]

thoughts on the game
MoI suspecting Dekes correlates with my gut read
I have logic behind it, in that not only was he skimming by, trying to stay under the radar, and relatively content free, but he was the first vote on Peregrine and acted like he didn't even start the wagon

There is only scum motivation in doing that if he knew he was doing it.

He is also arrogant, so I believe MoI will leave him vulnerable. I will wager his reaction is a pretty good indicator to his alignment. The reason I am not 100% is that what if he really just made a mistake, and was happy voting Peregrine? It's definitely not a flip flop if he was already voting him, but if he was doing it to appear as being not-at-the-head-of-the-wagon, then that is very scummy as he does not to have appeared as having guilt of lynching town. How could he/we not know with the votecount, though? IDK

vote: Dekes

I doubt Feysal is scum

[Furcolow]

Also, Feysal, I can't believe you targetted me
talk about wraithfulness
you're not a town vig either

[Furcolow]

Feysal is not scum

[Furcolow]

His win condition is like "must survive to endgame" not "must kill town"

[Furcolow]

I'm not a watcher. I am Mim the petty dwarf, a 3rd party survivor that was immune to 1 night kill, and got to learn someone's alignment
Feysal is not evil

[Furcolow]

my win condition also changed last night btw

[Furcolow]

i have to make sure feysal does something

[Furcolow]

He might be SK, but we can force him to kill where we want him to

[Furcolow]

I hope Feysal is town
his claim was shitty, though

[Furcolow]

what's REALLY funny is I was familiar with Mim before the game
I have read the silmarillion, after all, although about ten years ago
I started to read the unfinished tales, but i left them unfinished, because i thought i was a neutral survivor

my role ended up being more like a lover, though

[Furcolow]

Feysal can win with the town, though

[Furcolow]

or at least I can still

[Furcolow]

unvote;
vote: Kanye

this is really simple to me
Feysal obviously had scum on his wagon
He will complete his task by killing certain people, which I believe will pull him out of the game, or win for town

I have two potential win conditions. I can either win by surviving, or win by Feysal killing the people he needs to kill. I would have rather adopted a town win condition, as I was obviously being protown, but whatever.

Our goal now is to find who Feysal needs to be killing. Perhaps the Seraphs could help me out.

[Furcolow]

>Furc
>She

excuse me?
secondly, I have claimed, and I outted Feysal visiting me
Learn to fucking read

[Furcolow]

Whichever Seraph gives me the best powers will win me over for their side

[Furcolow]

Herodotus, I doubt you'll get any Sun and Moon content

[Furcolow]

at least 1 scum on feysal right now, maybe 2 or 3

[Furcolow]

it's not really a lover
it's more like "if someone targets you in the night to kill you, you can choose to have their win condition too. you will not be informed of your new win condition"

I am a neutral survivor
I might be a lover, but I don't know if I am
I was really hoping he was town
It sucks balls that he's an SK, but I've planned on helping town all game, so... so be it.
I am not sure if I can still win with the town, because if Feysal is lying then I am now a traitor

[Furcolow]

I get to choose what whether or not i take the win condition, andrius, so if i think someone is scum i wont
i was banking on feysal being a town vig, but he's more like 3rd party with a weird win condition

[Furcolow]

unvote
vote: sun and moon

[Furcolow]

I hope it involves me getting a dayvig

[Furcolow]

Also, MoS, who had gained from ACTING like a jester in your mind? Gandalf.
What if he just has the wool pulled over your eyes in an epic WIFOM?

[Furcolow]

vote: Dekes

fuck yeah
i will help town
dwarves + elves unite

[Furcolow]

I'm not a troll....



I'm a dwarf.

[Furcolow]

vote: MoS

[Furcolow]

I'd say if we lynch MoS, then go through his FoSs, we'd have 2-3 scum
(including him!)

[Furcolow]

What happened to the Dekes wagon? That was a promising wagon. The Wow wagon is only marginally better than the kanye one. I guess I can see where the Wow suspicions are coming from, but both read as town to me.

this post is scummy as shit, and makes me dislike the kanye wag

vote: vitaminr

[Furcolow]

MoI I can win with town, that's a big difference

[Furcolow]

looks like i have a lot of reading to do

[Furcolow]

1) I suspect Andrius is scum
2) Good job killing the doctor, Feysal

[Furcolow]

I didn't like Andrius's reaction to Feysal's killchoice
It felt like he was scum gloating that the Doctor has died

[Furcolow]

vote: sun and moon

[Furcolow]

I wonder if Feysal is, in fact, scum

[Furcolow]

Andrius, are you including his "hidden scum suspect" that you don't know about?

[Furcolow]

vote: empking

[Furcolow]

I'm here. I've been sort of busy in RL.

[Furcolow]

im not liking a lot of the people who have hopped onto s&m, but i also dislike how the votes are all strewn about
this should be pretty much between moi and s&m, should it not?

[Furcolow]

unvote;
vote: espeonage... err smargaret

[Furcolow]

I have reason to believe I know a scum
I will get back to you when the day is done

[Furcolow]

vote: kanye

[Furcolow]

I'm a survivor
I'm not going to piss them off

[Furcolow]

Feysal isn't scum
It's confirmed he's not scum
He is either a town vig or an SK based on my ability

[Furcolow]

Honestly, with scum + myself + Feysal, we have the ability to not allow the town to lynch anyone this round.
However, I can win without scum, too.

[Furcolow]

I can guess

[Furcolow]

The more I am analyzing it, the more I feel 3rd party like Feysal and I need to help scumhunt with the town

[Furcolow]

I'm guessing 4-5 scum that know each other, obviously with a few 3rd party (survivor, cult, SK, lyncher, whatever)

[Furcolow]

kanye wont flip, but if he did, it wouldn't be town

[Furcolow]

I can confirm Feysal is a Serial Killer, by the way, and we should be lynching scum today

[Furcolow]

His win condition didn't have a list of names with it, or why would I even need to appeal to town/the game not already be over? if you believe im +1 to scum, sure, but why would I even claim then?

Feysal has no chance to win unless they have the town
Town has way less chance to live without Feysal
Scum are getting very high in numbers

[Furcolow]

I wonder if the Town Seraphs know how screwed they are if they lose Feysal and I

[Furcolow]

There are likely 4 scum left, and without 3rd party like Feysal and I siding with the town, you all are going to be screwed
I have confirmed Feysal isn't scum, unless he was recruited by smargaret's slot

[Furcolow]

Is it not the goal of mafia to lynch mafia? yes or no

[Furcolow]

am i an informed minority?
feysal and i are more confirmed to not be mafia than the majority of the thread

[Furcolow]

well, here's to hoping he wasn't recruited which would look bad on me

[Furcolow]

I'm not hammering someone I know wasn't mafia at the end of N1