Open 334: Friends and Enemies in Icetown (Town Win)

[Descent]

Spoiler: A word from Lane which I find disturbing

Sorry, I've been distracted a lot these past few days. Anyways, I've read up on everything and have decided on a few things.
1. The non-newbie games are a lot more text heavy. (something I like, mind you)
2. ...

I would just like to make a list, to sum up this wall post, for future reference, as to the currently most active players in order of most activity to least activity.

Jason- 8 posts thus far
Princess Kiwi- 5 posts (including this one) thus far
Paraffin- 4 posts thus far
smear- 3 posts thus far
AlgorixalTyphoon- 3 posts thus far
Zachrules- 2 posts thus far
Antb- 2 posts thus far
malpascp- 2 posts thus far
descent- one post thus far
ceonn- one post thus far
ThAdmiral- one post thus far
GMan- one post thus far
Princesskdw- zero posts thus far

I find it strange how ceonn, and ThAdmiral only made entry posts, without answering the RQS (despite being just a few posts prior), or providing insight as to the going-ons of the game. Shows that they haven't really read the game, and are 'just' making appearances to avoid the lurking suspicion? Hmmm...

That is rather accurate of you, to a point. I admit I didn't eye-ball the thread much before making my post as I was short on time before. I assure you though, I have time now, and will get right to those questions now.

1. Alaska

2. I prefer them.

3. Town. It's much more relaxed that way, as having power makes me too nervous to make a good move, and at times before when I've been mafia I again get too nervous to make a clear night kill, much less keep myself from making a mistake.

this was 4 days ago? ceonn's second post? where is ceonn?

anyways, i can't get into shit right now. that was a long ass 5 pages.

i'll be much more active than princesskdw (who was regular town btw)

with posts coming everyday. tomorrow i'll do some iso's, skim some shit and do a review, i just can't start into it now. not for lack of time, just for this burning in my eyes.

i'll try and have more reasoning tomorrow, but here are first impressions.
i didnt like para at first. I took it as an rvs vote when he said we were out of rvs. but after my reading, i feel better about him.

very confident that princess kiwi is town.

i dont like smear, the unvote vote? seems like he was caught. the unvote would be looked at alone, being so quick, but the unvote vote, thats a whole new level.

malpascp? why havent you unvoted yourself yet?

town vibes from jason, not so much his early game, but more recently.

same with gman, besides the early game and recently part

algor, zachrulez, descent, havent figured out how to read his posts.

one apology was for unconciously starting to skim kiwis posts there at the end after i had a town read. i need to go back and read her and paraffins discussion a lot more closely tomorrow.

vote:ceonn

I find this disturbing, the part I bolded. It was basically a claim, when there was no need to claim. Lane, can you explain why you just threw that extra tidbit of information in there all willy-nilly?

Also, still looking at Smear scum; however, I hope he has not given up trying to clear his name, it might help us in the long run.

For those who READ my wall, I addressed this in it.

I'll be honest, I should have referenced that find to you. Sorry bout that. And I did read your wall, you know, jumping all over the place, but I still read it

[Maruchan]

I was trying to be honest with my reads as they happened, so as to not be accused of not having any comments on the game, but if I were to read it without commenting THROUGHOUT, then I wouldn't have had any comments other than "I agree with what so and so said about so and so incident", and np its coo. The fact that you made it separate from a intimidating random jumble of wall made it a more prominent point like it needed to be. anything in my while not already addressed should deserve more addressing, as I made my wall with the assumption that anything I MIGHT be addressing might already be addressed, I just hadn't read it yet.

get what I mean?

[IceGuy]

Vote Count

Smear (6): AntB, ThAdmiral, jasonT1981, lane0168, Princess Kiwi, Maruchan

malpascp (4): malpascp, Zachrulez, Smear, paraffin
paraffin (2): GMan, AlgoricalTyphoon

Not voting (1): Descent

With 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch or no lynch.

Deadline is September 23rd, 8 p.m. CEST.

GMan has requested replacement.

AlgoricalTyphoon is being replaced, since he didn't pick up his prod.

lane0168 has been prodded.

[Zachrulez]

Still prefer a Mal lynch over Smear. He's remaining active enough to stick around in the game but not contributing at all.

He hasn't even bothered to make use of his vote beyond the one he cast on himself on RVS. There's literally nothing on him that I find as any kind of a distinguishable factor in getting any kind of read on him. You want to talk about going with the flow on going after Smear for going after the easy wagons, why is that not something worth pressuring Malpascp over?

Sorry again guys. I was leaning to a paraffin lynch today, but I don't see how that's possible now. Smear is a good alternative.
I don't usually make big re-read posts, but I think I can handle one in this game.

Is that not going with the flow? Not only going with the flow, but going with the flow without putting a vote in with the flow. So he can both play under the radar by going with the flow and escape scrutiny later because he didn't have a vote active. The only other thing he's done in this game is answer questions when prompted to by Princess Kiwi, which is just token contribution.

I have issues with Smear, but those issues stem from his early game positions on Paraffin. I'm actually pretty satisfied with his play since then, anyway I find Mal's play more deserving of a lynch. Let's make it happen.

[Maruchan]

I would rather lynch actively scummy behavior than someone not paying attention to the game by far.

[AntB]

Lynch All Lurkers is a dangerous move and I'm against it.

[Zachrulez]

Lynch All Lurkers is a dangerous move and I'm against it.

What's dangerous about it?

[Maruchan]

vanilla townies often lurk. so do PRs not wanting to get PR hunted (liek I said earlier, not applicable to thsi game, but yeah)

[jasonT1981]

lurking is a nulltell, to lynch anyone lurking is not good idea.

[jasonT1981]

Speaking of lurking though, Smear is activly avoiding this topic, posting elsewhere (non game) on the site and was online as recent as a few hours ago.

this is scumlurking... hoping to avoid the heat, and come back when a new wagon is formed. (which he will probably jump upon)

[Maruchan]

^^^^ Well spotted.

[Zachrulez]

lurking is a nulltell, to lynch anyone lurking is not good idea.

Some forms of lurking are a nulltell yes, others aren't.

I was asking for the benefit of Ant qualifying his position moreso than the expected answer of my question.

[Descent]

Speaking of lurking though, Smear is activly avoiding this topic, posting elsewhere (non game) on the site and was online as recent as a few hours ago.

this is scumlurking... hoping to avoid the heat, and come back when a new wagon is formed. (which he will probably jump upon)

Very Nice Spot.

I don't really want a Mal lynch, because I was around on the same post amount as him just a few days ago. There really isn't much to go on, but I have seen lynches made off of one post. Either way, happy with a Smear lynch, not with a Mal lynch.

[Maruchan]

I say we lynch Smear. JS

[AntB]

Town lurk more than scum, and usually scum will ride it as an easy lynch. Lynching of Active Lurkers however, I'm not opposed to. I've never seen malpascp on the bottom of the page, so that doesn't worry me much, I have guttown on malpascp at the moment.

[Smear]

Speaking of lurking though, Smear is activly avoiding this topic, posting elsewhere (non game) on the site and was online as recent as a few hours ago.

this is scumlurking... hoping to avoid the heat, and come back when a new wagon is formed. (which he will probably jump upon)

Just been a bit busy of late. This game is a bit denser than my others, and I'm reading back a little, so I need a little more time to think about posts.

[Smear]

L-1 is great....

Nobody is even botherin

However, my points on the post numbers, and you only singling out one person, when others are equel or less still stands and needs answered.

If you are all over for lurking on one, should you not be all over them all for lurking? if (and i think will)Smear flips scum, I am looking for scum in that pool of people he missed out. And sure we will get at least 1 from it.

I just noticed him to be actively lurking, rather than just being inactive.

I hadn't noticed that ceonn was lurking as well, but at the time I'm not sure if he was actually lurking or just inactive. If I remember correctly, when I did present my argument against Malp, it was largely in part due to the fact that he seemed to be the most obvious "true" lurker. Descent seems less suspicious if only because he seems to be posting sporadically in both of his games.

In addition, many of the others actually have been replaced. Malp has been keeping his post count down in this game, but making sure to post just enough that he isn't prodded or replaced. He's lurking and he wants to keep doing it.

[Smear]

Anyway, guys, if you must know, the original reason I did move my vote to Malp was in the hopes that the threat of a lynch would force him to start posting. I obviously didn't want to say that, but that's the truth.

lurking is a nulltell, to lynch anyone lurking is not good idea.

It may be, but to pressure them until they start contributing seems pretty helpful to me...

@Smear
If you fail to understand my posts, go back and re-read them.

Blatantly ignoring my questions by making a sassy comment, that's really helpful and not suspicious at all!

[ThAdmiral]

Speaking of lurking though, Smear is activly avoiding this topic, posting elsewhere (non game) on the site and was online as recent as a few hours ago.

this is scumlurking... hoping to avoid the heat, and come back when a new wagon is formed. (which he will probably jump upon)

Someone hammer pls.

[IceGuy]

Maxous replaces GMan. Thanks!

[Maruchan]

Maxous, vote for smear please.

[Maxous]

I saw a game that needed a replacement. It was only 9 pages in. Cool this won't take me long to catch up, I can easily do it.
.....

[Maxous]

Smear - can you re-state why you initially suspected Zachrulez and why your suspicion of him has since dwindled?

Jason, smear and Zach seem to be in a league with each other, scum or mason (or even just RL mates), I have yet to discern which.

Interesting.
What did you see about them? Do you still beleive this?

Lane - why is/was ceonn scum in your opinion? Was it just the lurking?

[IceGuy]

Lurconis replaces AlgoricalTyphoon. Thanks!

[Smear]

Smear - can you re-state why you initially suspected Zachrulez and why your suspicion of him has since dwindled?

In part it was for lurking, and once he started posting content my pressure vote held no value. I also saw possible bussing (with his vote on Paraffin), but I don't really think so any more.