TV Mafia Game Over - Scum Win

[David Xanatos]

By the way. This is not mylo, because we have 2 anti-town factions.

This is where the Cult paranoia comment came from.

There hasn't been 2 shots every night, so 2 mafia/werewolf factions are out. That leaves a Cult, as it's the only other possible anti-town Faction.

I see nothing about a cult. Not sure if a mafia HAS to kill each night so I wouldn't rule them out.

How do you go from "Meran scum sliped"/"O NOES, she's bringing the cult parinioa back" to "Yeah there

IS

a cult"?

I've explained this. Meran very specifically said there were two scum factions. The only **factions** could be Mafia, Werewolf or Cult. Unless a Mafia group had decided to no-kill or has been blocked somehow 6 times, there's little chance of it.

Also, two scum groups would mean the kills would be differentiated most likely. It's very rare for groups to have the same flavour.

Oh, and note how the person who's saying there are two Scum groups (despite no evidence of it)

I disagree that there's no evidence. The only evidence is that there are 2 unclaimed kills. An weren't you the oe that was yelling about Pere being an SK earlier?

By this point, there's only been 2 kills over 8 nights.. I really doubt the SK-ness by this point unless there's a BP, and since everyone claimed VT, must be a Scum BP if at all possible.

[Meransiel]

Well as I said already, SK IS a faction.

[PeregrineV]

I will clear up some confusion.

A. I am not a Serial Killer. I'm not Bulletproof. I have sent in zero night actions this entire game.

B. Since I'm not a Serial Killer of any sort, I'm not an X-shot or whatever.

C. My alignment and win condition is town.

@Meran- I like how you go from Pere is null to Pere is the SK with no shots left. That's a step from null. But, that's minor compared to all the other stuff your coming up with. Two teams? Two teams of 3? Or two teams of 4? If two teams of 4, we have 5 mafia and 3 town left? And not only that, but one "team" has no night kill?
So, there is not two teams. So, I'm trying to figure out why the hell you would bring something like that up.

@Everyone- How does anyone know whether it's lylo or mylo at all? I've asked how many scum are left, but nobody answers. I expect scum not to say, but guessing at roles without guessing numbers? Is it 2, 3, 4, or 5? And why do you think so?

[PeregrineV]

I'm way more awesome than you.

A. Given you are vezok, no you aren't.
B. Your character cannot be possibly as cool as mine. Period.

Interesting.

Because I GOT THE COOLEST CHARACTER EVARR.

Mass name claim? I don't know how that can hurt.

I didn't post because it wasn't my turn for mass claim and I got proded. YAY.

I'll continue the mass claim because there is no point to stop it now.

I'm Jack from LOST VT.

@Vezok- Please reconcile the "coolest character evarr" with "Jack from Lost, VT". Otherwise, I'm thinking you got a cool role, but a crappy fakeclaim, otherwise, stuff below makes no sense.

I suggest a mass name claim because it starts discussion because I like to be in character.

unvote
vote castle bravo

Oh come on. Everyone draws awesome roles only I'm stuck with a stupid VT.

[izakthegoomba]

@Peregrine I think the most likely answer is either 2 scum, or 2 scum 1 SK.

Two scum PRs against a bunch of town ones in 22:5 or 21:5:1 makes enough sense. 21:6? Not likely.

[Banshee]

@Everyone- How does anyone know whether it's lylo or mylo at all? I've asked how many scum are left, but nobody answers. I expect scum not to say, but guessing at roles without guessing numbers? Is it 2, 3, 4, or 5? And why do you think so?

I thought I already answered, but I think there are three scum left in one team. There may be only two but MoI was postulating many more than could possibly be true right now. I want to err on the maximum caution side and say three because we don't KNOW there aren't three. If there are only two, yay. But we can't know that. Three is the most there can be of SCUM. The SK thing I don't think can be true because as I've repeatedly said I can't find one single instance of an X-shot SK. So my final answer is, there are three scum total in one scumgroup and one is an X-shot vig.

Please tear apart the logic if I'm obviously wrong.

[jasonT1981]

Day 9 vote count 3

PeregrineV 3 - Izak, Nero, DavidX (Lynch - 2)
DavidX 2 - Meransiel,Vezo

Not Voting

PeregrineV
Banshee
TheJakalope

V/LA

No One

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch

(expired on 2011-10-06 17:41:24)

till Day 9 Deadline

[PeregrineV]

@Everyone- How does anyone know whether it's lylo or mylo at all? I've asked how many scum are left, but nobody answers. I expect scum not to say, but guessing at roles without guessing numbers? Is it 2, 3, 4, or 5? And why do you think so?

I thought I already answered, but I think there are three scum left in one team. There may be only two but MoI was postulating many more than could possibly be true right now. I want to err on the maximum caution side and say three because we don't KNOW there aren't three. If there are only two, yay. But we can't know that. Three is the most there can be of SCUM. The SK thing I don't think can be true because as I've repeatedly said I can't find one single instance of an X-shot SK. So my final answer is, there are three scum total in one scumgroup and one is an X-shot vig.

Please tear apart the logic if I'm obviously wrong.

So you think there is a whole separate team of scum? That number 3? And that we've gotten all the scum on the other scum team?

[Banshee]

Um, no?
I think there was ONLY ever one scumgroup.

I think there are three people left on it.

Where did you get what you said from what I wrote?

[izakthegoomba]

21:3:3 would be so unfair. There is no way we have two scumteams.

[PeregrineV]

@Peregrine I think the most likely answer is either 2 scum, or 2 scum 1 SK.

Two scum PRs against a bunch of town ones in 22:5 or 21:5:1 makes enough sense. 21:6? Not likely.

9 person- 2 scum
12-13 person- 3 scum
16 person- 4 scum
20 person- 5 scum
24 person- 6 scum
27 person- ???

Since we have 3 down, I'm going with 3 (although I would like 2) on only one team. The reason for this is that there are not multiple NKs, so I don't think 2 teams.

Also, a SK that doesn't kill seems weird to me.
A Mafia vig may make sense, given a smaller scum team, given them extra kills makes sense. But why wait until night3 and night4 to use them? Maybe looking to hit power roles (they did), but I know Junpei claimed day1, so in theory they could have done it then. Another thought would be some sort of trigger that took place that allowed them to use the kills.

Either way, I may believe a smaller scum team since we also have 2 vengefuls, and if those are assumed to hit town, then that would explain the small team in a large game. And also no protective role.

With that being said, I'd like everyone else's opinions on that.

Now, since catching the last few will not be easy, the thing to do is go back and look through earlier play, when scum wouldn't feel as if they have to be so careful. I looked through Vezo, so I'm waiting for his response, but that is what I plan to do, and recommend others do SOMETHING to catch scum today.

Pedit- I just read the whole DavidX- Meran back-and-forth thing with the 2 team speculation. But no one else pitched in about it. I think it's one team, and now I know you two do also.

[vezokpiraka]

I meant that the character is awesome.

I personally love LOST and Jack is one one of my favorites.

[Meransiel]

You are so FUCKING ANNOYING!!!!

I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT THERE BEING 2 SCUM TEAMS

I NEVER EVEN SAID ANYTHING ABOUT THERE BEING 2 ANTITOWN TEAMS

A FACTION IS NOT A FUCKING TEAM, IT CAN HAVE 1 MEMBER.

Gah....forget it, I'll just go to bed before I get homicidal.

Mod: Calm the language, please.

[PeregrineV]

Fine.

Scumdar™ time!

Castle Bravo - 9/10

PeregrineV - 8/10

drmyshottyizsik - 8/10

silverbullet999 - 7/10

Meransiel - 6/10

David Xanatos - 6/10

vezokpiraka - 5/10

Banshee - 5/10

Nero Cain - 5/10

ThAdmiral - 5/10

ZeL1nK - 4/10

TheJakalope - 4/10

Rainbowdash - 4/10

MagnaofIllusion - 2/10

FourseenCircumstance - 2/10

Mysterio - 2/10

Bringing up the scumdar posts. Why? Because it's from before, and we can compare it to now. This was on day4.

Castle Bravo - 9/10 (Dead town)

drmyshottyizsik - 7/10 (Dead scum)

Meransiel - 7/10 (Alive)

Junpei - 7/10 (Dead town)

silverbullet999 - 7/10 (Dead town)

PeregrineV - 6/10 (Alive)
David Xanatos - 6/10 (Alive)
vezokpiraka - 5/10 (Alive)
Banshee - 5/10 (Alive)
Nero Cain - 5/10 (Alive)

ThAdmiral - 5/10 (Dead town)
ZeL1nK - 4/10 (Dead town)

TheJakalope - 4/10 (Alive)

Rainbowdash - 4/10 (Dead town)
Rodion - 3/10 (Dead town)
MagnaofIllusion - 2/10 (Dead town)
killerjester - 2/10 (Dead town)
FourseenCircumstance - 2/10 (Dead town)
Mysterio - 2/10 (Dead town)

Can you talk about how your reads have changed since then, specifically how Meran is more town than before.

Pedit- That's right. He said this

By the way. This is not mylo, because we have 2 anti-town factions.

meaning a mafia team and a serial-killer-that-doesn't-kill-and-is-bulletproof-and-outed-by-the-mafia.
Sorry I read it wrong.

[izakthegoomba]

Ok. I can't really comment on the dead ones, except to note that most of the living players were ones I had down as null, or only as slight reads. That's of no real use to this game, but is interesting to me nonetheless.

As for Meran... When did I say I thought he had got townier?

Anyway, Peregrine has gotten scummier since shotty claimed that result. Banshee and Xanatos have got townier - it's just a feeling I get from their posts. TheJakalope is playing more scummily today - the ways he's evading my repeated requests for him to take a firm stance here, and a general over-neutrality.

I'll give you a full read list. I CBA to do the colors and stuff, but I guess it was a dumb idea anyway.

PeregrineV - 8/10
Meransiel - 7/10
TheJakalope - 6/10
vezokpiraka - 6/10
Nero Cain - 5/10
David Xanatos - 3/10
Banshee - 2/10

Also, Xanatos, check your PMs. (stuff about a mish mash game)

[TheJakalope]

Scumdar
PeregrineV - 8/10
Meransiel - 6/10
vezokpiraka - 6/10
Nero Cain - 6/10
izak - 5/10
Banshee - 4/10
David Xanatos - 3/10

I will post more in depth reads later tonight or at the latest tomorrow.

[Banshee]

• If you had to lynch someone right now, who would it be, and why? - If I was forced to make a lynch right now, I would pick Pere, just because he's 95% confanti Town, but I'd much rather lynch scum.
• Do you think PeregrineV is a Serial Killer? If not, what do you read him as? - Yes, scum.
• You've been very neutral throughout this game, which I find quite troubling. Can you provide a list of your reads on all players? - Hmm..

Not a tons of great reads, but one thing I will say is that David X is looking quite scummy. Not going to vote until I'm very sure of my reads though.

Scumdar
PeregrineV - 8/10
Meransiel - 6/10
vezokpiraka - 6/10
Nero Cain - 6/10
izak - 5/10
Banshee - 4/10

David Xanatos - 3/10

I will post more in depth reads later tonight or at the latest tomorrow.

Ouch. In one day from scummy to most town, that's quite an achievement.

[izakthegoomba]

Jakalope, make your fucking mind up. Your play has gone from "meh" to "horse dung", and is still heading south. Can you not participate in this game without contradicting yourself, fence-sitting, or sheeping? Seriously, if you dont start contributing, my vote is gonna be so far up your ass you won't be able to sit down for a week.

[TheJakalope]

Wow. I apologize for that one. I'm in 2 or 3 games with David X and simply mixed him up.

David is sitting at about a 7 right now.

Wow, sorry about that.

[izakthegoomba]

Not buying that.

[David Xanatos]

Pere's at the top of his list.. and I don't see a vote.

Still don't consider an SK a "Faction" by any means. They're self-aligned, there is no "faction" there..

</rant?>

[TheJakalope]

I'd rather get rid of the SK then mislynch town again. I strongly doubt there are 3 scum left.

I wanted to save my vote for scum, because at this point killing scum is far more useful. But unless someone puts together a case or I catch something that makes me more then 90ish% sure that someone is scum, I'd rather get antitown then town.

VOTE: Pere

It's L-1 Now.

[Banshee]

VOTE: PeregrineV

[jasonT1981]

Day 9 vote count 3

PeregrineV 5 - Izak, Nero, DavidX, Jackalope, Banshee
DavidX 2 - Meransiel,Vezo

Not Voting

PeregrineV

V/LA

No One

With 8 alive, it took 5 to lynch

[jasonT1981]

And so, you lead PeregrineV to the nooses.

Your time is up, Serial Killer!

Serial Killer? No, I just work for the CIA.

LIES!!! Kill it!

And so you snap PeregrineV's neck. And after searching the body, all you find was a CIA identification badge.

SHIT!

PeregrineV was Sydney Bristow, vanilla town. Killed Day 9.

You have 72 hours to get me any, and all night actions. Game will open whenever they are all received and confirmed