In post 674, Chronopie wrote:If anything, I think Mim would be a lyncher to Beleg, not Turin, just sayin'.
After all, he wanted the orcs to let Turin go free, and Beleg to be tied out for Mim's own brand of pain. /just-read-the-chapter
That's as about as clear as I am on him. I don't get the love for Kanye or the avoidance of my question from 550. He's a very difficult read for me overall, and definitely not someone I can read on D1.mjaye wrote:As for Spyrex, he's a beautiful princess, so he's either telling the truth and is town or he is scum that is investigation-immune; if he weren't one or the other, he would have to know he's putting himself out there as a high-risk for investigation, and that would be decidedly bad for scum.
Good thing I'm not the jealous type in this game, lol.
In post 677, mockingjaye wrote:you stopped wanting to be my neighbor when Magna got the mystical message from on high. I see how it is.
In post 680, Will-o-wisp wrote:Andrius, how did we go from having a Townier than Turin status to being scum? The posts you quoted are ambivalent and your comments don't seem to point in any direction.
Mist and I have different reads, but we agree that Kanye is likely to be scum.
My top three scumpicks are
Kanye
VitaminR/Ellie
Feysal
I'll let Mist post her top scumpicks.
Why are we letting players who are doing nothing (Ellie and Espeonage) get away with very little participation? Also, I don't understand why Kanye is not trying to move a wagon on someone else yet other people are actively questioning the wagon (Spyrex).
Magna could have easily withheld that information. Instead he chose to post very helpful information that could lead to an explanation on your role (and by proxy, Gandalf's role) and give town a large amount of information. That is why we are confident in Magna town. Why do you even have problem with this if you are forming a voting bloc with him and Ludi?
- Oversoul
In post 682, Empking wrote:Andy: Gandalf is scummier than you. That's basically where I'm at with him a couple of points left of you and sice you're alignment is based on flavour spec...
I wouldn't be surprised to find out that MOI just made up his post. I know I'm far from calling him confirmed town.
This reminds me, I had a question for you in 550, and I would still like to know the answer to that as well.
In post 671, Andrius wrote:Ok I didn't want to say this in case I got bored and didn't but I'm reading the whole thread.
But srs bsns: Magna/Ludi would you be down spearheading a voting bloc with me?
Andy wrote:No but srsly Magna are you down for a legit alliance? A well-working alliance would do wonders. References: Frenzy Mafia. Yours truly coordinated the alliance, and while I didn't get to live long enough to see it through to how I wanted it done, Parama (and later, ThAdmiral) kept it running on the obvscum. There's townreads a plenty out there, and if we can organize a group of them we can get things moving faster. Especially if these are shorter BaM deadlines.
In post 314, Will-o-wisp wrote:VOTE: Kanye
My partner and I agree that Kanye is acting very scummily and we would like his lynch. Also, we suspect Katsuki and Empking for their interactions with Gandalf and the whole fakeclaiming/crumbing gambit that he pulled.
Personal Vendettas:
Katsuki
Ellie
Gandalf
*I* wouldn't mind if the vig shot from that group of people. All of them are very good shots in my opinion.
- Oversoul
In post 357, mockingjaye wrote:@Ludi: Technically, I'm an alt, but I only played a couple of games on another account last year before switching for personal reasons; I use this account exclusively now and have for a while, but I generally only play one game at a time. I've never been in a game with you before.
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First, Empking. I don't like that his ISO is filled with questions, a lot of them leading (25 posts, mostly one-liners, and 19 questions). This feels like a way to appear more active than he really is, especially since he stayed on Gandalf for as long as it was "safe" to stay there, and once the wagon was obviously dead in the water, switched to Katsuki without any reasoning when it became apparent that the Katsuki wagon is gaining popularity. Also, for the frequency of posts, he hasn't commented on anything else that has happened, so I'm thinking he's scum who is just sticking to easy targets/active lurking (and currently getting by with it).
FoS: Empking
I don't like Kanye's concern that Gandalf is a lyncher-role and is worried about who his targets might be; this feels more scum-motivated than town since Gandalf had already claimed third-party at that point, and had he maintained his claim/full-claimed an actual role, it would have been difficult for him to succeed in lynching someone with a town claim, and I think scum would have much more to worry about.
Second, Kanye.
I also want clarification on this post:
Kanye Post 227 wrote:1)i stand by lynching claimed third party.2)its possible there is scum on the gandalf wagon because it is the "town thing to do" but3)i think it is more likely that scum are on the sidelines4)waiting to try and lynch someone off of the gandalf wagon.5)claimed third party can be saved for a nonscum lynch down the road, and6)if they can convert an early push on the third party into a town lynch, all the better.7)im still into a gandalf lynch, but ill take a look and see if any of these people jumping onto wagons off of that wagon look scum to me.
There's no attempt at any kind of VCA to support this. I'm also confused by the message. This is how I'm reading your post:
1) you want to lynch claimed 3rd party;
2) scum might be be on the Gandalf wagon just to look more town, but
3) it's more likely that scum are not on the wagon because
4) they want to lynch someone off the Gandalf wagon? (Do you mean a]someone not currently on the wagon, or b]someone who jumps off the wagon?) Next,
5) scum would rather save his lynch for later...why later and not today? And,
6) are you saying scum would rather try to get town lynched than 3rd party in this statement? And
7) if you think that scum are more likely on the sidelines than jumping ship from the Gandalf wagon, then who are they?
So basically, you want to lynch Gandalf, and you'll look at people on his wagon and see if they appear scummy to you, but you really believe that scum are NOT on the wagon but are instead plotting to accuse people on the wagon who move to another wagon. No names, no specifics, no reasoning for this other than WIFOM about why/how scum might be setting up a lynch on town/third party (which seems to be designed specifically to clear you of any suspicion).
Also, what is the status of [7]? Any of "those people jumping onto wagons off of that wagon" give you any scum vibes, or are they really all off the wagon? And who are they again?
Finally, in Post 47, as a response to Ludi's suggestion that in past games those who have run up a 3rd Party lynch were actually scum, you make a very defensive reply: "you can say i was trying to do it for town cred later on but its a bit early for that." This comment was superfluous to the first half of your response and leads me to believe you are actually concerned with having your motivations questioned, ESPECIALLY given Post 227, in which you claim to believe the scum are most likely not even on the wagon but instead plotting from the sidelines AND your repeated statements that lynching claimed 3rd-party is pro-town.
Vote: Kanye
In post 485, Wraith wrote:Okay, going to experiment with stream-of-reading scumreads.
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Town
Furcolow- Typical Furc play, mostly being a overreacting idiot
Andrius- Actually realized what a trollclaim is and explained it to everyone else.
Empking- While he was aggressive against gandalf's trollclaim and realclaim he actually tried to find out more info before pushing the quicklynch
Scum
SpyRex- Tried to start a wagon on the obvious trollclaim. Not much, but it was pretty obviously a trollclaim and gandalf was obviously not-scum for pulling it
Kanye- Strongest scumread, tried to lynch the obvious trollclaim, pushed for quicklynch without even trying to gather more info, playing generally anti-town
Third Party
Gandalf- I'm guessing his abilities/wincon will be gradually revealed over time. At the moment I'm inclined to believe he is town. Trollclaiming aside, he's probably by strongest town-er...not-scumread
Everyone else neutral
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Town
MoS- Understands that the gandalf wagon is scumdriven and almost reacts appropriately. He's really sheeping though so possibly subject to change in the future.
Chronopie- Understands Gandalf is not anti-town
Furcolow- Remains active but stupid. scumFurc is more lurkly IIRC
Magister Ludi- Scumhunts, smart, and to the point
MoI- Enters with a proper townie bang.
Gandalf- Gandalf is probably Turin Turambar IMO. I don't think he's Third Party, I think he's Townie Amnesiac or whatever it's called. He doesn't know his alignment but is actually aligned with town.
Andrius- Same as gandalf except I think he is Turin's sister (forgot her name). Vice versa is possible too.
Scum
Espeonage- Some of your posts rub me the wrong way. Gut.
SpyRex- Unchanged
Katsuki- Appears out of nowhere to push for a gandalf quicklynch. Refer to earlier logic about gandalf alignment and stupidity of quicklynching him
KKB- Continues to post little more than "Lynch Gandalf cuz" and snide one-liners. Strongest scumread
More setup speculation BTW: Seraphs are obviously Morgoth (scum) and Hurin (town). Hurin was captured by Morgoth in one of the battles and forced to watch his ancestors destroy themselves under a curse from Thangorodrim (which is Morogoth's fortress).
Vote Kanye
Easy scumlynch. At this point it probably looks like I'm wagoning since he already has a large wagon, but I'm only halfway done with my reread and I see it. I'll start another post to finish the reread now.
In post 697, Magister Ludi wrote:Like a cheap prostitute?