camn's temperamental - Mini 1232 - GAME OVER

[camn]

/yawn

Haylen

- 1

( PeregrineV )

Lurconis

- 1

( Johhog )

twistedspoon

- 5

( Parama kanyeknowsbest Chair Haylen Zang )

Parama

- 2

( twistedspoon RedPanda )

NOT VOTING:

( Lurconis fishythefish )

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
Deadline is

THURS, SEPTEMBER 29th

, 8pm MY TIME.. . Or whenever I get around to it.

[RedPanda]

great lurconis wants to hammer.

[PeregrineV]

@Chair- Well stated case on Twisted.

@Red- Do you disagree with Chair?

@Jahhog- Present.

[Twistedspoon]

I guess it's claim time unless we're lynching parama?

[Twistedspoon]

I am the inventor

I can give powers (inventions) to players during night phases. I do not know what they are. Last night I targeted fishy with my ability. He can confirm that he received an invention and the power that it has

[kanyeknowsbest]

unvote

im willing to hear this out.

[Johhog]

Sounds kinda generic, and an easy fakeclaim if he is scum. But yeah, I agree, we shouldn't lynch him today.

[kanyeknowsbest]

theres a big difference between hearing him out and deciding were not lynching him today. its entirely provable that the invention portion of his claim is true, unless fishy is also scum (which i doubt.) based on fishys input, we will be able to debate on if we believe this affects twistedspoon's alignment. im not going to write anything off given the suspicions that camn is attempting to jack with meta in this game.

[RedPanda]

theres a big difference between hearing him out and deciding were not lynching him today. its entirely provable that the invention portion of his claim is true, unless fishy is also scum (which i doubt.) based on fishys input, we will be able to debate on if we believe this affects twistedspoon's alignment. im not going to write anything off given the suspicions that camn is attempting to jack with meta in this game.

You had a problem with BB's alignment , now you have a problem with twisteds alignment. What about parama's alignment ? id asked this before. seems like you ignored it.

[Twistedspoon]

Fishy will be able to prove my role/innocence

I gave him the invention last night. If it's a nice pro-town invention then all should be well. Scum shouldn't have a role that harms their own wincon

If it's anti-town power, like miller, then the mod's having a good time playing mid games and I guess it wouldn't be completely unreasonable to assume I was a mafioso inventor giving out anti-town roles (I'm not though)

[Fishythefish]

So many power roles.

I haven't received an invention. Does your role PM imply I would know about it by now? I can imagine a mechanic where an inventee would only hear about the invention the following night.

Of course, it's possible that you invented me something I don't get to know about.

[Twistedspoon]

it doesn't say, it just says that it will give the player a power (invention)

I had expected you to know about it though.

[Zang]

Usually with an inventor, the targeted player knows about it. Because if he doesn't know about it then how is he supposed to use it?

chair is entitled to his opinions

but they are just that

So. your not going to even bother to defend yourself?

Unvote
Vote: Twistedspoon

is it scummy to not defend myself?

interesting theory here

Yes it is especially when youre at L-2 and there is a serious threat for your lynch.

[Fishythefish]

So, for me the main point against spoon is his flip-flopping on the matter of 2 name cops. When the initial claim came, he wouldn't believe there were two name cops. Under pressure, he reversed this. Today, he totally reversed that again - with no more evidence that there couldn't be two flavour cops.

@spoon: what made you change your mind about the possibility of two name cops today? What made you change it again today?

Sath's death also makes spoon more likely scum, because Sath suspected spoon.

The claim doesn't affect my read much. He's probably an inventor, probably invented me something (or tried to). But there's no reason at all he shouldn't be a scum inventor who invents bad things.

A spoon lynch looks ok.

Johhog's made two really meh votes today; first Haylen for not reading (what is the scum motivation?) and then Lurconis for his claim (the claim is clearly a massive towntell).

@Zang: I was thinking it's possible the invention is for the next night. But yeah, I think that would be non-standard (don't actually know the role).

[Twistedspoon]

if I'm a scum inventor then why did i try to get you to claim your effect?

If I'd tried to give you a bad effect then I'd have been obv-scum

My theory is I was RB'd.

besides, NKs are wifom

change my mind about name cops? It was only for a brief moment that i accepted the possiblity of there being 2 town ones, before the flip made me realise again how daft that seemed

parama is scum

[PeregrineV]

@Twisted- Verification of your role is dependent upon confirmation by the receiving party. Also, did you respond to the Chair case on you? If so, I must have missed it.
Also, happy birthday!

@Fishy- Please try a vote or something, to see if the vote count reflects any voting powers you may have received.

[Lurconis]

@Twisted Happy Birthday

Does anyone have any games they can link to where the inventor role was used? The wiki doesn't make it clear if the other person normally gets their power that night or the next.

[Fishythefish]

if I'm a scum inventor then why did i try to get you to claim your effect?

If I'd tried to give you a bad effect then I'd have been obv-scum

Well, you were claiming to avoid the lynch - you had a claim a PR, and you had a confirmable one. You even acknowledged that you might have given me a bad effect, and not be scum.

If you are town, you being RB'd is likely. NKs may be WIFOM, but scum overwhelmingly kill people who are threatening them. Unless there's a breadcrumb I've missed (@everyone: look for such a crumb, please), the only person Sath was threatening was you.

change my mind about name cops? It was only for a brief moment that i accepted the possiblity of there being 2 town ones, before the flip made me realise again how daft that seemed

parama is scum

That brief moment came when you were under pressure for not accepting the possibility, and your reversal comes when Parama looks wagonable (the only other posts of the day were Zang voting Parama and Parama saying he'd probably get lynched). There's no way that someone flipping town name cop can make you less willing to accept that there are two town name cops. It can only make it more likely. Both these changes of attitude seem opportunistic, and the second seems unlikely.

@Fishy- Please try a vote or something, to see if the vote count reflects any voting powers you may have received.

Agreed.

VOTE: Johhog

Because my experimental vote may as well be for scum.

[camn]

Hm. Not even a page today.

Johhog

- 1

( fishythefish )

Haylen

- 1

( PeregrineV )

Lurconis

- 1

( Johhog )

twistedspoon

- 4

( Parama Chair Haylen Zang )

Parama

- 2

( twistedspoon RedPanda )

NOT VOTING:

( Lurconis kanyeknowsbest )

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
Deadline is

THURS, SEPTEMBER 29th

, 8pm MY TIME.. . Or whenever I get around to it.

[Chair]

implosion told me that he's too bogged down in his other games to help me enough, so it's pretty much going to be me. Sucks cause I still have tons of work, but I'll manage I hope.

TS claim just fucks with my mind, esp. fishy not being able to confirm. Either RB or TS lying. I don't think I'm going to give TS the benefit of the doubt when he hasn't touched my analysis, except one part which, I'll agree, it was one of the weaker arguments. I'm sad that that's the only thing addressed though- which makes me think that he wants to bs it through this day.

Also, more analysis needs to be made. I think we're really slacking off here.

@TS- can you explain why you're not scum by defending your posts? Also, reads (past the parama scum)? Also, if you want to make analysis on parama being scum, that would be nice, cause all I'm seeing right now is that BB flips town --> parama is scum, which really isn't that legitimate tbh.

[Twistedspoon]

. Unless there's a breadcrumb I've missed (@everyone: look for such a crumb, please), the only person Sath was threatening was you.

if I was making the NK as scum it'd have been kanye anyways. He suspected me as much as sath and was a stronger town read. Sath was the the only person wanting my lynch



let's look at it like this

a) I'm either an inventor or not an inventor

if I'm not an inventor then I wouldn't have been able to claim that I gave fishy a power and expected him to have one. Thus my claim would have been unprovable and imminent lynch. Therefore I have to be an inventor

b) I'm either a scum or town inventor.

As a scum inventor I would not be giving out pro-town goodies so therefore asking you to claim what power you received would do more harm than good.
Thus I'm a town inventor

[Twistedspoon]

@TS- can you explain why you're not scum by defending your posts? Also, reads (past the parama scum)? Also, if you want to make analysis on parama being scum, that would be nice, cause all I'm seeing right now is that BB flips town --> parama is scum, which really isn't that legitimate tbh.

panda is probtown
peg is null/town
haylen/johog leaning scum
kanye town


more later perhaps

[kanyeknowsbest]

why did you choose fishy to invent?

[Fishythefish]

@spoon: problems in that claim analysis -

a) If you are (say) a Mafia Goon, it's not clear that claiming something confirmable and which doesn't get confirmed is a bad thing. Your claim

is

unprovable, and you

haven't

been lynched.
b) Bigger problems (for me) - you could be scum inventor who invents bad things. You even acknowledged the possibility that you invented bad things in you claim post - maybe as a preemptive defence for when I claimed that you'd invented me something bad. You could be a scum inventor who invents good things - particularly if you know the invention isn't that exciting, inventing a townie something good puts you in a very town-looking position at a time when you were vulnerable.

I don't see this claim as one that makes you obvtown at all.

[kanyeknowsbest]

honestly i buy this claim. a non inventor scum making this claim would claimed one of his buddies as the recipient who would have confirmed it. an inventor scum would have targeted town and would have been much more eager to claim it. the implications of this are either fishy is scum trying to get the town inventor hung (doubtful, i have him as town) or he was roleblocked. there is, of course, the final possibility that both fishy and twistedspoon are scum and fishy is bussing hard. doubtful.

I gave him the invention last night. If it's a nice pro-town invention then all should be well. Scum shouldn't have a role that harms their own wincon

this is of little relevance here but this is an incorrect assumption.

in other news im v/la for the next two days.

will give this more thought when i get back.