In post 166, sottyrulez wrote: In post 158, Amrun wrote:sottyrulez, why do you think scum would know that Vi's post restriction is real?
Sotty already covered this, but I'd like to add to it.
Are you really trying to argue this as a non point? Do you think town has as equal an interest as scum in just accepting that Vi has a post restriction and being happy with the idea of having a more challenging line of communication with Vi? Because I don't really see how that kind of thinking makes any kind of sense as being equally/more likely to come from a town perspective.
Oh, but Zach, are you forgetting the crux of your argument?
It isn't a non-point at all.
In this line of questioning, I am thinking of this:
In post 139, sottyrulez wrote:Post 63 is a massive red flag for us. What makes them certain that Vi's not faking the post restriction? Reaction here reeks of inside knowledge. (Also I personally disliked the way they seemed to attempt to shut down this line of discussion by lumping it into an accusation that attempting to communicate with Vi is trying to modkill Vi.)
I am not talking about the fact that you are saying CC was trying to stop efforts to communicate with Vi; that's something else entirely.
I am taking issue with the premise that assuming that Vi's post restriction is real = inside knowledge, ESPECIALLY for a hydra involving Juls. Juls and I both played in a game where Vi faked a highly restrictive post restriction. Vi was town. I don't know if CC believes the post restriction; I don't believe that their posts are necessarily preclusive to them not believing it. The way I interpret it, they simply said that they believed such questions might lead to a modkill and requested that line of questioning be stopped. I don't agree with THAT sentiment, but I do disagree with you finding scum intent from CC assuming the post restriction is real. My guess is that VP has been doing most of the posting, and he does seem to believe Vi right off the bat. My point is that even if the slot IS scum and Vi is town,
they still don't know the post restriction is real.
Therefore, there is no inside information to be had and that point is invalid. In FACT, I'd go as far as saying that CC is town for
attempting to use Vi's "pr" to mostly clear her as town. This hydra has the means and the experience to make this pr a completely nulltell for Vi, just like me, but instead chooses to push this is a town tell. I see no scum motivation here - only town motivation.
Why is this a non issue? You are saying, "Crab Canon is scum because of x, y, and z," and I'm saying x is invalid.
Since sotty asked, let's look at those x, y, and z. X and y are above; I disagree with x. I think y is valid, but that you're making too big of a deal out of it. I don't see a particularly high likelihood of scum trying to stop the discussion about Vi's possible pr out of scummy motivations. Z is as follows:
In post 139, sottyrulez wrote:Also dislike post 121. It's non committal to shift and potentially an associative tell contingent on one of them flipping scum. Not as strong, but I'm not used to seeing that kind of waffling from VP.
Here is the relevant part of the post in question:
It was in response to this post of mine.
I don't see any scum motivation for stating a read (or in this case, a non-read) on Shift. CC could easily have ignored my vague post before it and avoided stating any read (which would be much more noncommital than stating that he was having trouble reading Shift). In fact, now that I'm looking at it more closely, why didn't you (sottyrulez) call ME out for being noncommital on Shift? My post was easily as noncommital as CC's, and it came first, yet you call him out for it and not me.
I'm tired so I'm not sure that made sense. Ask me questions if it doesn't and I'll sort it out later.
Sotty:
I'd really like you to go through my ISO and point out all the useless questions I've done nothing with. Seriously.
