Imperial Intrigue (Endgame, OUT OF NOWHERE)

[MacDougall]

Can someone please outline the case against David Xanatos.

[Nocmen]

Votecount 1.3

SleepyKrew

(7)

:

tclawren

, David Xanatos, kdowns,

gandalf5166

, JDGA,

MacDougall

, manho, whispersilk,

PeregrineV

, Empking, StrangerCoug,

SodaSpirit17

,

SodaSpirit17

David Xanatos

(7)

:

Magua, SleepyKrew, tclawren, Nero Cain,

SodaSpirit17

,

Shinki

, AGar,

Empking

, SodaSpirit17, vezokpiraka

Magua

(1)

:

monk

Otolia

(1)

:

gandalf5166

Empking

(1)

:

EtherealCookie

Shinki

(0)

:

StrangerCoug

kdowns

(0)

:

EtherealCookie

gandalf5166

(0)

:

kdowns

,

vezokpiraka

,

Shinki

Not Voting

(6)

:

Otolia, Bogre, MattP, Shinki, PeregrineV, MacDougall

Deadline is

October 11, 2011

With 24 alive it takes

13

to lynch.

[whispersilk]

Can someone please outline the case against David Xanatos.

^this

[AGar]

Can someone please outline the case against David Xanatos.

Let's start with stretches in logic as long as the grand canyon and claiming a role that reeks of bullshit to me.

SK starts off day with daykill gambit (lulz, in retrospect) and asking for bogus claims that if anyone took the 30 seconds to read their role PM or the sample VT role PMs, would have known was fake.

DXanatos jumps to the conclusion that SK = Scum because SK 'liiiieeeeeeedddd OMG'. Really, SK sparked discussion that forced his scumbag ass to play along and not lurklurklurk for 62 pages of RVS bullshit. If daykill gambits are scummy, start lynching Fate every fucking game because that's pretty much all he does early game.

We move to now SK's real daykill. The one he offered people to vote for, no one bought into, so he shot one of the two people he said he was going to. Now DXanatos is pushing scum with a 1-shot dayvig? And he's scummy because he shot

one of the two people he said he was going to shoot

.

Finally, the claim reeks of doctored fake-claim shenanigans. "Real heir to the throne?" We've been over this. There are multiple heirs to the god damned throne. Why does him saying he is "the one" make any sense? ANY AT ALL?

Lynch it with fire.

[AGar]

To the people voting for SK - please explain WHY he is scum, more than 'gambitzzz' or 'daykill omg'

[David Xanatos]

"And yet House Argelev has suffered just as much as its subjects, for all its male heirs are dead of natural causes or killed in combat. Not in fifteen hundred years has such a crisis of succession occurred, and now the Imperium stirs. Plots centuries in the making mobilize, but they are threatened to be thwarted by the emergence of a lost son of House Argelev from the West, having finally come of age and seeking to reclaim his rightful throne."

There are

not

multiple heirs. There are multiple armies claiming to be fighting on my behalf, but some are led by nobles seeking the crown for themselves.

I am voting for SK because, in my eyes, he's been doing everything possible to out as many claims as possible.

Yes. That's right. You're talking shite on my reasoning too. At no point have I claimed by reasoning was anything akin to LaL. You're trying to portray it as such with no basis behind it.

And the "Shot someone he said he would" reasoning is utter shite. Not TWO HOURS passed between him first asking, and taking a shot. He first claimed at 2:19 AM, took the shot at 3:42 AM.

[manho]

unvote

[Empking]

So in your world, about-to-be-lynched-SleepyKrew-scum uses up his dayvig because lolswhynot...and doesn't shoot the claimed vigilante? Doesn't shoot an experienced player not on his team like you or StrangerCoug, but shoots samantha?Mmmm. No.Espeonage in ASoIaF's play was also incredibly horribly bad (not just his dayvig play), which is part of the reason he, y'know, lost.

So yourt argument is essentially that SK is so much superior to Espionage + AGM that he couldn't possibly do the same tactic? Sorry, I don't buy that at all.

FOS: Magua

As it happens on sleeping on it I can't evenm remember why I went on SK.

So...

Unvote, Vote: DX

[David Xanatos]

Much as I didn't want to have to do this, it looks like I will.

Mason. With Monk.

[Otolia]

Much as I didn't want to have to do this, it looks like I will.

Mason. With Monk.

Once again I am repeating myself :

David Xanatos is more than likely truthful when he claims to be House Argelev.

[Empking]

Unvote

[Magua]

So yourt argument is essentially that SK is so much superior to Espionage + AGM that he couldn't possibly do the same tactic? Sorry, I don't buy that at all.

FOS: Magua

As it happens on sleeping on it I can't evenm remember why I went on SK.

So...

Unvote, Vote: DX

So your argument is that I'm so goddamn suspicious that you'll admit that your vote on SK was bad and then vote who I want you to vote?

Bravo, sir.

Want Monk to confirm the masonry.

[Empking]

Vote: Oto

[monk]

So yourt argument is essentially that SK is so much superior to Espionage + AGM that he couldn't possibly do the same tactic? Sorry, I don't buy that at all.

FOS: Magua

As it happens on sleeping on it I can't evenm remember why I went on SK.

So...

Unvote, Vote: DX

So your argument is that I'm so goddamn suspicious that you'll admit that your vote on SK was bad and then vote who I want you to vote?

Bravo, sir.

Want Monk to confirm the masonry.

What post have I not said that the entirety of the DX wagon is stupid, I've been basically claiming mason with DX my entire ISO.

[gandalf5166]

Break this down. David is not a town PR because he thought Loyalist was a VT. David is not a VT because his role is not Loyalist.

David's role does not contain the word "Loyalist" in it at all.

David is not town.

Unless you didn't read gandalf's posts at all, I don't see why you would say that. Claiming House Argelev is claiming someone that the town has to protect (thus aligned with VT), gandalf's role assure and the flavor David Xanatos used is specifically similar to mine.

This, basically. I doubt heirs would have Loyalist in their PM, since that would make them loyal to..... themselves.

[gandalf5166]

Unless you didn't read gandalf's posts at all, I don't see why you would say that.

You mean gandalf's post where he says Loyalist and House Argalev are interchangeable? Even leaving aside that this is gandalf we're talking about, I do not believe that there is anyone aligned with the town who does not have "Loyalist" in their role.

@SleepyKrew:

if you're really a dayvig and you didn't dayvig David WHILE AT THE SAME TIME AGREEING WITH ME THAT HE IS SCUM you and I are going to have *serious* words.

Okay, let me put it this way. My wincon(the original one, that doesn't even mention the possibility of it changing) is worded differently from the sample PM. I asked the mod about it, he says I start out town. If I can have a different wincon and still be town, he can not have the word Loyalist in his PM and still be town.

[gandalf5166]

Unvote

David, there ARE multiple rightful heirs. It says so in my role PM. Maybe it isn't something that's supposed to be common knowledge, but there are.

VOTE: PeregrineV

Let's lynch real scum, shall we?

[David Xanatos]

No, there are multiple CLAIMED heirs.

Rightful means what it says. Only one person can be the RIGHTFUL heir. That's me.

Join me and I'll make you a Duke. Can't say fairer than that.

[Otolia]

No, there are multiple CLAIMED heirs.

Rightful means what it says. Only one person can be the RIGHTFUL heir. That's me.

Join me and I'll make you a Duke. Can't say fairer than that.

Are you playing to your WinCon ? I am legitimately doubting that with that post.

[Magua]

UNVOTE: David Xanatos
VOTE: tclawren

Are you playing to your WinCon ? I am legitimately doubting that with that post.

How do you think he's *not* playing to his wincon?

[Otolia]

How do you think he's *not* playing to his wincon?

I have reasons to be he could have a special importance for me (considering some mechanics are not revealed to us). His WinCon definitely have a survive condition (even an shared one with the other claimant), so why he is bragging about being

the

heir when that is detrimental to his WinCon and the WinCon of the

Loyalists

?

[gandalf5166]

Nope, my role definitely specifically says "rightful heirs", and goes on to define that as all males of House Argelev.

[Nero Cain]

.........................................................................................................................................................................................

wasted shot was wasted.

If you has more kill DX or Shinki

Mind if I ask you why would you like to kill me?

ISO 0 looks like fence sitting and then hoping on one or the other so you wouldn't look as scummy.

Your Gandalf vote and the

reason

for the Gandalf vote in ISO 2 sounds pretty opportunistic to me. In ISO 3 you state "All the discussion concerning SK and David still a mess in my head, so I'd prefer to vote for something I find myself worth of voting, and not something that I don't quite understand."

Yet you still voted for something you didn't deem worthy of a vote?

but you know what I find funny? When I fosed you in 148 you said

NOTHING

but when we found out that SK is an actual day vig and I said I wanted a shot on you then you were concerned.

2 posts in this game. One jumping on Gandalf for claiming a strange, potentially anti-Town role, and then an RVS worthy vote for me.

To be fair to Vezok you

did

pretty much spam up the thread in TV Mafia.

For the record I was voting DX over his cognitive dissonance.

DX-Monk masons? still could be scum.

Storyline wise EVERY claimed hier is going to say the are the rightful hier.

@David-Do you think that SK and Kdowns are both town alligned vigs?

[David Xanatos]

Nero, why would it specifically mention in Mod flavour that the rightful heir comes from the west to reclaim the throne?

And I didn't "spam up the thread". I'm not doing that here either. And Vezok's vote, if you take that as reasoning, is "OMG I don't like people talking, let's lynch the talkers so we can stagnate."

[Empking]

How do you think he's *not* playing to his wincon?

I have reasons to be he could have a special importance for me (considering some mechanics are not revealed to us). His WinCon definitely have a survive condition (even an shared one with the other claimant), so why he is bragging about being

the

heir when that is detrimental to his WinCon and the WinCon of the

Loyalists

?

I'm pretty sure this is a non-town claim.