Imperial Intrigue (Endgame, OUT OF NOWHERE)

[David Xanatos]

I think Vezok

is

scum. If he isn't, we gain the side benefit of ridding ourselves of a VI. If he claims PR at L-1 or 2, he can be let down, but watched carefully.

[SleepyKrew]

I thought you didn't like outing claims.
WHY is vezok scummy?

[David Xanatos]

ISO him.

3 votes, and an Argelev claim.

Vote on me had

literally

no reason. It was a bandwagon hop, pure and simple.

Vote on Gandalf I can't really comment on without links to the games.

Vote on Monk was a "Let's lynch him because he's confirmed David's mason claim!", alongside a misrepresentation of Monk's claim.

[SleepyKrew]

Okay. That seems like vezok. Not scumvezok. Not townvezok. Just vezok.

[David Xanatos]

Town Vezok

I disagree. See above ISO.

[SleepyKrew]

tl;dr explain.
A single game does not a meta make.

[David Xanatos]

You don't have to read in depth. Even a glance shows that Vezok gets involved as Town, he wasn't afraid to post, wasn't just votehopping.. admittedly he was moderately wrong on quite a few things, which is how he made it so far, but he was making a clear effort.. as opposed to here. I'm getting the feeling of not wanting to post, to avoid a slip.

[SleepyKrew]

I've seen otherwise.

[StrangerCoug]

To the people voting for SK - please explain WHY he is scum, more than 'gambitzzz' or 'daykill omg'

My main gripe other than those is that I don't like his interactions with David Xanatos regarding what exactly a loyalist is.

So you're going to side with the player who freaked out and panicked because he couldn't properly read a sample role PM and twisted facts way out of context over the player who actually read the facts and knew what he was talking about.

Tell me how SleepyKrew insisting that David Xanatos is a vanilla townie over and over again is any better, because it takes DX out of the pool of possible power roles.

Aaaand you're voting for someone over gambits and a daykill...

You imply that gambits and daykills are inherently townie here, which they're not. If you do not want me to consider you as likely to be SleepyKrew's partner, explain how what SleepyKrew specifically has done in those regards is townie. Defending gambits and daykills in general is not an answer.

Not buying the mason claim. Confirmation from Monk isn't going to do much to change that. Yeahno.

You do realize that faking masons, especially on Day 1, is a suicide mission more often than not, right?

Yeah.

We can lynch monk and david together for being scum.
"Third Legion Stormtroopers Allied to the true Heir of the Throne." - monk

I see neither loyalist nor House Argelev in your claim. You are scum my friend.

unvote vote monk

"Loyalist" means "town", rendering that term redundant, and there are other pro-town houses than the Argelev if memory serves me correctly. This is opportunistic.

+1

Unvote, Vote: Monk

As is this.

UNVOTE: SleepyKrew
VOTE: Empking
I'm happy to get rid of vezokpiraka for the same reason.

[SleepyKrew]

All that shit about me yet you vote Emp for the wrong reason. lol

[StrangerCoug]

Hey, you're still scummy, so watch the smart-alecky remarks.

[SodaSpirit17]

One or both of vezok and Empking are scum. Who do I think is more scummier? The blind follower. AGar can wait, but he's still scum. (hey agar you can unvote david now kthxbai)

VOTE: Empking

[SleepyKrew]

Hey, you're still scummy, so watch the smart-alecky remarks.

Okay. Sorry for offending you my leige.

[SleepyKrew]

Oh wait. You didn't answer the question.

[StrangerCoug]

What question?

[SleepyKrew]

All that shit about me yet you vote Emp for the wrong reason. lol

[StrangerCoug]

That wasn't a question.

[SleepyKrew]

All that shit about me yet you vote Emp for the wrong reason. Why?

[StrangerCoug]

NOW

it's a question.

Empking hopped onto the monk wagon after vezokpiraka's crappy rationale for disbelief in monk's claim, and there is more support for lynching Empking than vezokpiraka right now (what I'm getting is that other people think vezok to be a VI). My reason is not "wrong" simply because you are against the wagon.

[SleepyKrew]

That only answers part of it.

[StrangerCoug]

What other information do you want?

[SleepyKrew]

Your post was filled with (bad) reasons as to why I'm scum, yet you switch to Emp for one (wrong) reason.

[StrangerCoug]

Quit subtly supporting your partners by poisoning my well.

Some things are scummier than others. A poor reaction to someone's misunderstanding of the sample role PM is not as scummy as advocating the lynch of a claimed mason, especially with the rationale vezokpiraka gave.

[SleepyKrew]

I supported said masonlynch as well.
Plus, you're leaving out a lot of reasons as to why I'm scum.

In case it isn't obvious, FoS SC.

[StrangerCoug]

Yes, but as I said, I primarily don't like how you reacted to David Xanatos misunderstanding the sample PM. You were on him well before the monk confirmation claim and are not acting opportunistically like vezokpiraka and Empking.