Secret Society Mafia - Game Over

[Maxous]

/confirm

[Maxous]

VOTE: Global Warming
Because Al Gore told me it was bad.

This guy is confirmed town for Day 1.

Werewolves are another mafia faction. They'll have flavour something like "ripped to shreds" for kills. Cops can't detect them, but Seers can. Docs can't protect from them, but Herbalists (or something) can, because of Wolfsbane. There's a wiki on them I think.

There is no kill flavour in this game.
Though there may be specialised cops and/or doctors. Depends on the game.

Well utilizing the gamblers fallacy, you're more likely to be scum here!

And yes I did change my avatar =)


VOTE: Whispersilk
Just gonna sheep muffinman until I see something I don't like.

[Maxous]

What is this nonsense? How does he even know one of them is anti-town to start with?

It's known as looking for scum
Even though I don't get it...

Vote Ludi

Too many posts I don't like, spamming, strangeness.

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[Maxous]

Max, Yos: You two like Ludis posting, from your asking of Baby Spice?

Not particulary.

It's not a "Well, David said THIS, and that means one of them is scum!" Just look through the 2nd(?) page and look at how they interacted.

I think you're taking thier joking too seriously.

Muffin are you scum?

I don't get the point of this

[Maxous]

I don't think Baby Spice is scum. Though she is likely wrong about Ludi and Yosarian being scum together.
I think Global Warming is though. That sorgster comment in particular looks dodgy.
I did'nt like Wraith's vote on Baby Spice either. 'Serious vote with RVS reasons'? Hmm :/

Furthermore, from this point onwards all joking comments shall be required to have a humour tag.
Too many people taking such comments seriously.

[Maxous]

Maxous, can I ask you what you think of sorgster so far in this game.

No opinion.

Not seeing how BabySpice is scum from the Ludi case.

Magister Ludi has'nt provided a case on Baby Spice.

[Maxous]

I don't get the fuss over DX not voting.
Why does he have to?
The fos indicated his suspicion.

[Maxous]

Who cares that GW did'nt claim miller in thier first post?
Is anybody suggesting to me GW is scum who were worried about a lynch and decided to fake-claim to save themselves?

The biggest element - FOSes don't show up on Vote Counts. Later on VC analysis may enter the picture. Calling someone scummy and refusing to vote them while not actually having an active vote is more indicative of someone wanting to keep their vote profile low, which isn't something Town worry about.

What scum is worried about a VCA at this point? :/
Though, wanting to keep a low profile is valid. Maybe he is scum that did'nt want attention caused by vote-hopping. I'll meta a bit later.

2) Maxous: I don't really care what you do and don't like--there's no analysis in your posts. Who do you think is likely to be scummy at this point of the game? Read their iso. A lot of opinions but nothing really related in finding out who is and isn't scum.

For future reference, generally 'not like' = 'scummy'.
Unless I just don't like it.

I haven't been paying much attention to this game in truth. I did a quick iso on magister ludi and his posts have rarely had little other than fluffiness from what I've seen.

Maybe you should do more than a quick ISO

The secret society rules: they act as neighborhoods and you can

induct new members

. By definition, this makes having your town reads out there instead of just in your head a potential issue. Freedom with your reads in that way can lead to bad things.

It's not really going to make a difference. People in SS will have thier own town opinions anyway and they might induct scum like that anyway.
Though I should say I was'nt entirely comfortable with Yos coming in and calling 3 people town(well 2 and a lean) right off the bat.

Also, I agree with ML, Songstar's posting seems pretty bad here.

And does bad=scummy?

To be answered by anybody: Is it normal for such a game to have a werewolf miller but not a mafia miller?

[Maxous]

Note how DY responds with a (serious) vote on me to a (RVS) vote of mine.

Please tell me why you mentioned this ^_^
i.e. what is your point here?

It's vitally important that the town get some good town reads on some people. The only way we're going to do that is by discussing our reads.

You want the game to discuss town reads along with scum reads?
I could do that, I suppose.

[Maxous]

hmm

unvote

VOTE: IceGuy

I'm gonna go with this

[Maxous]

So what if BabySpice and Otolia are scum? Where is the opportunism here?

I'm surprised you said this. In present circumstances that would mean diddly squat.

zMuffinMan and TheJakalope noted for opportunistic jump on my wagon without any justification.

Explain how zMuffinman has been opportunistic if you don't mind.

I have not been as usful as I like that's right. But perhaps that helps:

Unvote

Vote: Sageamagoo

, the defence of Whisper came of to strong and unecasary, makes me think scumpartners.

I'm still confused about this.
Why did you change your vote here?

[Maxous]

Ice Guy
-

Explain how zMuffinman has been opportunistic if you don't mind.

[Maxous]

I'm hardly defending him (or chainsawing which seems to be the accusation here)
You said he was opportunistic without explaining why, and I did'nt see how.
I still don't see it, it looks like simply pursuing a suspect in my eyes.

[Maxous]

Ice is one of the scummiest posters here, and you have nothing to say to him, instead going against Stephan. I could imagine you being on the same team as Ice.

DY has'nt said anything about StefanB :/

Just gonna point out IceGuy has sought to discredit pretty much every player on his wagon with 'opportunistic vote' accusations and forging a link between myself and Muffin. ( and Ice still won't point out how Muffin has been 'opportunistic')

[Maxous]

Oh and I think DryFit brought up an interesting point on Sorgster that I missed earlier.

[Maxous]

This presumes that IG, as a scum player, would be buddying DY. Often with scum, that's not the case.

No it does'nt.
If they are scum together nobody is gonna be 'buddying'
As for my passive-agressiveness, I don't usually scream bloody murder for somebody to get lynched if that's what you are wondering. Though all of this is self-meta.

And I'm not saying "without justification I accept", I'm saying literally without justification:

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You say this but yet you will not explain how Muffin has been opportunistic when voting you.
There is a reason I have kept harping on about that. And it's not defending anyone.
I see no basis for saying that and suspect you simply fabricated it to attack him. This is not even a case of simply not agreeing with your reasoning, this is a case of seeing no reason that you beleived what you were saying.
Even if you said 'oh my mistake, he was'nt really' that would of been better. But instead you attacked me calling myself and Muffin scum together.
This implies you did'nt want to backtrack with the accusation. (because that prob would seem as scummier to most)


P-Edit: In a multiple scum game?

[Maxous]

I like it when people do the answering for me =D

[Maxous]

?
I was referring to:

EtherealCookie, Iceguy, one is scum. Not both.

Since this is presumeably based off thier interactions with eachother.

[Maxous]

So the argument sageamagoo, is that if IceGuy is scum (which you certainly think he is--your vote is on him, anyways), then I am actually much more likely to be town.

Lol,
nice attempt. =D

So the question then becomes, is this post coming from frustrated town or scum trying to discredit their attacker?

Where does the 'frustated' part come from?

[Maxous]

I really don't think Otolia should be the lynch.

@Sageamagoo: What is wrong with you being targeted during the night period?

That whole disclaimer thing from WhisperSilk is meh, whatever.
Though it would be nice to have some comment on the 3 main wagons.

[Maxous]

@Alabaska: You think Stefan and IceGuy are in the same faction?

tbh sorgster is starting to look bad.

[Maxous]

So many jokes have went over people's head in this game...
It is ironically funny.

Can IceGuy just claim now?
It's a waste of time to put him at L-1 first.
He is clearly the intended lynch.

[Maxous]

I gotta give this game a quick re-read later. (unfortunately I got busy during the night period)
For the meantime though

VOTE: David X

[Maxous]

umm,
there is a scum motovation to kill somebody scummy in a 2 scum faction game.

[Maxous]

Done, and I will support lynches on DX and Jack.

With Jack - I don't have too much of a problem with his reads thing but too much focus has been on the defensive, not enough scumhunting for my liking.

DX has been way too cautious in this game for my liking. Even the way he put the vote in IceGuy he made 2 posts beforehand explaining how he was voting because that was in the best interests of the town(i will vote how the town directs me to). Seems nervous to do something that might bring suspicion on him (like the did'nt wanna vote hop earlier)

For anyone interested...

Spoiler:

2. Baby Spice - town
3. PeregrineV - lean scum
5. whispersilk - null
6. Otolia - town
7. BBmolla - lean scum
8. TheJakalope - scum
9. Oversoul (replaces Lowell) - lean town
11. Wraith - town
12. Ghostlin - was gonna lean scum but taking vig claim into account.
13. The Fonz (replaces sageamagoo who replaces malpascp) - lean scum
14. Dry-fit - lean town
15. Bogre - null
16. Global Warming (a hydra of RayFrost + ConSpiracy) - town
17. Alabaska J - null
18. sorgster - lean scum
19. Yosarian2 - lean town
20. ToastyToast (replaces Magister Ludi) - lean town
21. David Xanatos - scum
23. DarthYoshi - town
24. StefanB - lean scum
25. zMuffinMan - lean town

If you want an elaboration on anybody, ask.

[Maxous]

Due to the multiple scum-team nature of the game the usual scum strategy is to try and keep a low profile early on.
The night kill of MOI explains why.

I agree with treating L-2 as L-1 for all intents and purposes.

[Maxous]

I remember DX had a suspicion on MOI - who died.
Only other was IceGuy.
None today.
2 posts to defend himself though ^_^

[Maxous]

I'm not calling DX a doublevoter. I'm calling him scum.

@Ghostlin: Scum usually make night kills for particular reasons.

[Maxous]

3) I'll begrudgingly give him town points for being willing to direct his vote wherever town wants it. Thing is, with IG dead, we have no clue who else David wants for scum. At all. I can't really assume he wants BS from the above anymore, since that was #160, and now I'm analyzing #512.

The way he mentioned it in two posts before voting looked like trying to vote without taking reponsibility for it if you know what I mean.
'Only putting him at L-1 because this is what the town wants.'

That that doesn't make sense is nothink new, (with 2 scumfactions the fact that two people are probably not scum together doesn't mean that both can't be scum) To miss that we have 2 scumteam is not an excuse that I believe posted now. So the only way that two people aren't scum together and you know that one is town, means that you are on the other scumteam.

It's not like he could of known for sure anyway.
Meh, there could be merit in this but it is a strech to be calling it a scumslip tbh.

totally disagree

PS: If you think Wraith's reason for a townread on me is weak (which it kinda is), shouldn't that be indicative of his scumminess as well? He offers scumhunting as a towntell but

is doing none himself

.

???

Toasty you've conveniently completely ignored Dry-Fit.

Why is it convienent...?

5 posts

I wanted to put advance on my BabySpice case but she has gone missing site-wide.

What BS case?

Toasty needs to calm down with the aggro.

And would you look at that Jakalope hasn't responded to the pressure growing on him. What a freaking surprise.

He is semi v/la

Of the two, who do you think is most likely scum? Dry-Fit or Jakalope?

Which one is he voting...?

[Maxous]

Dry-Fit. Jakalope has done some weird stuff, but I can't really see a scum motive for his behavior.

Not getting lynched..

[Maxous]

Actually I'll clarify.
Overly defending and concentrating on not getting lynched to the point where looking for mafia takes second prioirity.

[Maxous]

TheJackolope: Nothing to say for your defence, just voting the other waggon?

Why did you ask just Jack and not DX who done the exact same?

[Maxous]

Like I've said I'm also open to lynching sorgster but he wasn't on the IceGuy wagon.

So?
You think it is more likely scum were pushing the IceGuy wagon rather than not?

[Maxous]

@Ghostlin: Jackolope - yes
Dry Fit - no.

Toasty - what has the Fonz done to get town points?

[Maxous]

Hmmm..

Unvote

VOTE: Alabaska J

Hmm, why are you voting Alabaska?

Dry-Fit wagon is still looking like a mislynch.
tbh it looks more like a lynch due to playstyle rather than anything scummy he has done. (a low-key playstyle)
In fact half of it seems to be he has'nt been acting

scummy enough

(along with not town enough).

Otalia -there is some free seats on the DX wagon if you want to join~
Because yeah, that is a scum-read that has been cemented during the course of the day period. (Hint: ISO his day 2 posts)

[Maxous]

@DarthYoshi: I agree that some people are wagoning Jakalope for his playstyle.
However I beleive Jakalope to be scum for seperate reasons, so I don't care.
You don't have to lynch scum with everyone providing the right reasoning.

That being said I am quite curious why he switched his vote to Alabaska.

[Maxous]

Come at me Maxous. You appear to be picking up the Mastin-ball in this game.

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It's not like I get a kick out of trying to lynch you.
You're forcing my hand.

This is my first game with multiple scums and I lurk because it would be easiest for scum to be active and keep killing each other leaving for an easy town victory.

Yeah....let me know how that works out for you.

[Maxous]

Okay, I have not payed proper attention to this before for some reason.
BB molla - how is Jackolope being framed?
I don't see any explanation for that at all. You said you agreed with the theory...what theory?

@Wraith: Sorgster means people on one scumteam are only going to be hunting the other scumteam etc. so you can catch the guys by seeing if they are only focusing on that etc.

[Maxous]

unvote,

VOTE: The Jakalope

I did'nt realise the deadline was so short.

I'll answer/give thoughts later..

[Maxous]

I wrote this earlier so thought I would drop it in for now. Just deleted Muffin.

Spoiler:

Empking's Alt
Uhh, easy one to start with. Baby Spice was obv-town, she flared up and started ranting at Yosarian when she thought he was misrepresenting her. It was not fake.
Town

PeregrineV

Confirmed town for wagoning DX.

The way he voted BBmolla ignoring the two wagons late probably means he is not a werewolf. Ho particularly when the reason for voting BBmolla was a weak soft claim push. I would say it would point him to being on the mafia team more as he was possibly avoiding being on the wagon of what he seen as a bad lynch on a weak player.
Slight scum read - highly dependant on BBmolla flip. (BB=mafia, Pere=town)

whispersilk
Yeah, I had no idea who this was.
Going through the ISO I saw a couple of things I would lean town on.
The spectacular lack of comment on the wagon race D2, counts against him though.
Just about gonna say lean town

Otolia
I saw his attitude towards MOI as town. Similar to Baby Spice - though not to same extent. He has continued town-ranting D2.
He has been asking useful questions and avoiding tunnelling. I would say..
Town

Bbmolla
His reasoning for voting Dry-Fit:
Something about this guy bugs me, I can't put my finger on it. Want to put him more in the spotlight.
He sat on that the entire day without elaborating.
Kinda suspected DX but oh not really was the only other read I seen.
His attitude towards the Jak wagon being lame is usually not the attitude of a scum buddy, so I’ll say not a werewolf. I think he is mafia though.
Probable scum

Oversoul
Another guy I didn’t realise was here?
In his long post he attacked

a lot

of people..scum are usually more cautious..meh
About half his posts are sorry ‘I’ll catch up later.’ He was wailing on Jak from early on which is in his favour.
Lean town but..stop lurking

Wraith
Done nothing Day 1..but I think he does that anyway. He done it as town in a previous game with him. He’s done quite a bit similar as in that game.
His catch-up posts early Day 2 looked town to me. Certainly not someone I would want to lynch at this point anyway.
Lean town

Ghostlin
Eager to question people, seems to be actively looking which is plus points.
Hated his persistent buddying to MOI Day 1 and if Otolia ever flips scum in this game we are gonna have a serious chat.
He was one of the main pushers of the Jak wagon so I would doubt he is a werewolf.
Also, very vocal with his reads, certainly not afraid of the spotlight. Similar to Wraith I would not lynch him today anyway.
Claim of one-shot vig is unverifiable, and could be a easy gambit to pull FYI.
Lean town

The Fonz
Sageamoo was scummy looking. He was too defensive for my liking, started tying Darth Yoshi into Ive Guy because DY was accusing him and seemed too fearful that he was going to be a night target.
Fonz has been a null for me.
I would lean scum on this slot only for the double vote PR. I see that power as a lot more practical for town than scum in this game. I’m not sure.
Null

Dry-fit
He makes some good points when he posts imo - not a lot of posts but still.
I didn’t think he was scummy looking, I saw the bandwagon on him as harsh.
His reaction to the wagon also seemed towny to me.
With the competing wagon flipping scum I’m more inclined to think he is town, true multiple scum-teams makes that tell less reliable though.
Gonna say town for now

Bogre
Another person I didn’t notice..
When he does posts made a couple of good points. It’s just not very often…at all
Null, I’ll have to judge later when there’s more content..

Global Warming
Another person(s) vocal about their reads. Seems diverse with them as well.
Also pushed Jak from early on.
Was gonna lean town only for post #800, at this point jak was at 7 votes with Dry-Fit on 6.
>Jackalope rereadthought - seems too much like vigbait to waste a lynch on.
Uhh what? The chances of Jak being vigged were absolutely minimal. With Ghostlin claiming one-shot vig there isn’t a vig in this game to out knowledge.
And this coming from the werewolf claimed miller. Looks like somebody was thinking of a last ditch effort to save and then changed their mind.
Lean scum

Alabaska J
Done nothing D1 and then wrote massive walls D2.
The content seemed from a townish perspective to me, particulary the stance over zmuffinman (I can understand the confusion) and…gawd those walls.
I’ll not be lynching him today anyway.
Lean town

Sorgster
Early on he picks at Ludi at random and just decides he is his scum read…not impressed.
Just tunnles/vote parks on Otolia for the rest of day 1. Continues on D2.. I have seen town do that before(guilty hehe)
He thought Dry-fit was scummy why?
Null… this is gonna take a bit of work.

Yosarian2
Day 1 was very null to me, just had suspicion on Baby Spice and Otolia.. Could of easily been scum-hunting scum.
I thought his #596 was good. Still, I’m confused as to why so many people are proclaiming him so town. I would rather not lynch him today anyway…but I’m not convinced at all.
Null

ToastyToast
Ludi seemed very town to me, Toasty seemed typical Toasty town in his catch-up posts(interpret that as you will)
Town

David Xanatos
Yep
Scum

DarthYoshi
Quite aggressive from the off-set, was also somebody pushing Jak early, attacking multiple people. No definite town tells but looks good
Lean town

StefanB
Actively questions a lot of people, a lot of this is gut, due to his reactions to suspicions. I could quote some if asked but it doesn’t look like stuff from scum to me.
Town

TL;Dr: I would like the lynch to be DX or BBmolla.

I had that complete with colour and all on word processor but that does'nt carry through? lame.
Not doing that again >_>

I seen the wagon on me..I'll start

ranting

, calmy explaining later.
And yeah there's stuff from Alabaska from yesterday etc. It's all coming.

[Maxous]

@Empking's Alt: I had Muffin as null.
I found his Day 1 play of pushing Ice Guy and Alabaska was Muffin-town but as Day 2 wore on him I felt he began to suspicion park and start cruising along.

Others said what needed to be said about Dry-Fit, all I would be doing is contributing what has already been said.

I admit I found this funny.
Still scummy though.
Your vote on dry-fit was an attempt to get more attention on him, because you had a bad gut feeling. Nothing about what you said indicated him as scum but you cruised with it.
You also never explained how Jakalope was being framed.

Thinking the scum teams are alternating night kills. Two protects, etc. in a row is too much of a coincidence.

Meh, it is possible if you beleive Ghostlin's claim.
Unless you know he is'nt lying
hur hur.

As for the Muffin kill, BBmolla was on his 2-man list. Muffin would of added a lot of weight to the wagon imo. (He usually does)
That would be my guess for it.

[Maxous]

This is just responses to the votes.(with a touch of complaining)

Spoiler:

It's time for VCA analysis:

Alright..

Here's what I want you to look at if we're looking at anything. The following people were on the lynch both days: GW, SB, Oversoul, Max, DX (who hammered both times.)

That's not VCA analysis.
'People were on both wagons',did you... like look at context at all?

Max's vote at the end the day really, really, really set off alarm bells. Like he mentions multiple times that day that he supported a Jak lynch without actually ever explaining why he supported the Jak lynch Day 2.

I searched for 10 seconds..

Actually I'll clarify.
Overly defending and concentrating on not getting lynched to the point where looking for mafia takes second prioirity.

There.

(Yes, we got reads, but never any qualifiers. I for an example don't know why he thinks I'm scum)

Well I decided to explain the people I wanted to be lynched that day instead of explaining everybody.
But I suppose I could of said something like..

If you want an elaboration on anybody, ask.

Did you ask?
No.

He is staying very much under the radar, isn't vocal at all and his vote indeed looks like a bus.

Meh I don't know what you are expecting out of me.
I have given my opinion on every event of relevance and scumhunted.

The useless vote on DX is even more suspicious now that Jak flipped wolf, and I don't believe Max's reason for not voting Jak when it was clear he was the main wagon.

What reason?
I did'nt vote for him straight away.
Who cares.
I always said I supported his lynch.
There is no difference between the 4'th vote or the 10'th.
It's the exact same.
I kept it on DX because he was my biggest scumread and first choice for the lynch.
There was no rush to flock over to Jak at the very first opportunity. It was still there if DX did'nt push through.

All of this one is stuff Alabaska asked and a question from Whispersilk. Skip if you don't care...

Spoiler:

you really like dropping things like this with no reason. THIS is active lurking - you haven't been accused of lurking once yet all of your posts are of this vein!!!!!!

Dude you were about the fifth person to be complaining with how I am posting by that stage.

way to pop in with a scum read on the two most likely wagons, sport. why not try some actual scumhunting instead of lurking? oh wait because you are scum

Oh, DX is a most likely wagon?
Cause it sure does'nt look like it to me.
'Actual scumhunting' - Jak flipped scum, and I'm really looking forward to the other flip.
And what's the problem that other people suspected them, other people usually suspect because they...look scummy.

come on, scum killing their suspicions??????

Multiple scum-team game.
But yeah I re-thought that and realised the accusation was hasty.

Actually I'll clarify.
Overly defending and concentrating on not getting lynched to the point where looking for mafia takes second prioirity.

evidence for this?

His ISO, there about half his posts were only responding to people having a go at them and were not at all looking for scum in the game.

You don't have to lynch scum with everyone providing the right reasoning.

emphasis mine. can you clarify this statement?

As in it does'nt matter if someone votes scum for crap reasons it still counts as much as someone with fantastic reasoning.
I thought some of the reasoning for voting Jak was weak but it was on somebody I wanted lynched so I did'nt mind too much that it was with reasoning I disagreed with.

Sorry if I've missed it while reading the game, but is there a particular reason why you find David scummy enough to keep your vote on him, rather than voting Jackalope, who you also believe is scum, and who has a bigger wagon and a much greater chance of being lynched today?

DX is doing a beautiful rendition of scumcoasting.

I actually thought there was more to get through, not that I'm complaining

VOTE: David Xanatos

I can easily go for BBmolla.
But not until he has 10 votes.

[Maxous]

Who did you roleblock last night, and (given that there was only one kill), why didn't you reveal it immediately?

And you revealed this...why?
Seriously.

I roleblocked BBmolla.
And yeah, it slightly increased my suspicion, but it's not as if there are'nt any other numerous reasons a kill would of been prevented.
It was nothing worth claiming for.

[Maxous]

I put this in a spolier cause it turned out to be a lot longer than intended and walls can look ugly etc.

Spoiler:

RE: I should of claimed the roleblock.
Everybody who is complaining because I did not reveal the roleblock is voting me.
This is because I witheld information that confirms BBmolla as scum or makes it extremely likely he is scum.
However, everybody using that reasoning is not voting BBmolla. They are voting myself.
Because, despite knowing I targeted BBmolla with a roleblock he is not confirmed scum nor does that tip the scales enough for those people to see him as scum.
Therefore the fact that I roleblocked BBmolla is out in the open means little towards his lynch as evidenced by the fact that BBmolla currently has 2-3 votes.
Therefore outing that I had roleblocked BBmolla would of been an unneccessary exercise proven by your own votes. Therefore it shows good reasoning of why my claim would of been pointless and it was better not to.
Thought I would let you know that.

And if you beleive that my role is the only protective/preventive role in the game with 20 players - you are having a laugh.
Therefore I knew there was easily other ways for a kill not to go through. Again, my claiming would of been unneccessary.

I did'nt claim Day 1 because my target was Ethereal Cookie and VT's don't send in night kills.

Re: My Ice Guy suspicion.
If you look at my ISO in the posts directly before I vote Ice Guy you will see a specific question directed towards Ice Guy on a particular quote about Darth Yoshi.
Ice Guy responds to that question and I vote him in the post directly afterwards.
Some people not seeing a connection here, confuses me.... I thought his stance of DY was too-uncommital, he was kinda having an attack on DY for voting him but not really. He stated 'I'm noting it in case it because a town or scum tell later' which is bs. I seen that as 'it will be scummy if you keep attacking me but not if you get off my case'. I found it scummy. The reason I stayed on the wagon was'nt because of an OMGUS but because he called Muffin's vote on him opportunistic, with no basis for calling it opportunistic. I found his comment was simply designed to discredit Muffin's suspicion with no reasoning...and then he proceeded to discredit other's suspicions by calling them all opportunistic and wagon hoppers etc.
So I thought he was scum.

btw Ghostlin is giving me shit for telling Ice Guy to claim early( to give the town time in case we needed to switch the lynch) and for voting Jak too late (giving the town minimum time or something).
I'm glad tunneling is'nt happening.
Because if I voted Jak earlier it....would of made zero difference to when he was lynched. I did'nt cast the final vote.

Let's see what else,

@Maxous : When did you Roleblocked BBmolla ? Do you think he could have been targeted ? Who was your other target ?

1) Night 2 period.
2) Dunno what you mean. I suppose he could of been by a cop or something.
3) Ethereal cookie.

Now, I sure hope that is all the concerns adressed.

As for..

Shall I claim my role? Because I'm having a hard time believing the roleblock at the moment.

No dice.
Roleblockers cannot be be roleblocked. Unless somebody wants to confess to re-directing me you could'nt of taken an action.
If you had proof to the contrary you would of given it. Looks like fake softclaiming to set up a fakeclaim in order to get a counter-wagon lynched in the event you are in trouble.

As for the society..if I am to take the claim at face value and beleive it is not a mafia gambit, then I am inclined to beleive only one of BB and DX are scum.

I am still confused by 'Yosarian is town' reads. He ignored my wagon, questioned BB's claim instead and then voted me because 'roleblocker did'nt reveal'.
A question to Yosarian is:who did you think was scum going into the day period?

Anyway, if there is scum on my wagon I would point there, and possibly Global Warming.

P-Edit: Game changing result, Toasty?
Bull.

unvote,

VOTE: BBmolla

[Maxous]

Yeah, it'd be very unlikely that they were all on the same team. I never said that they were, though. However, a Jak lynch allows the opposing scum team an easy lynch to push, making them seem like they're scumhunting (which they are, since they want to find the other group) and the likely 2 on Jak's team as latecomers when it seemed the wagon was closing to deadline.

Hmm okay.
Do you think the mafia is likely among those trying to present myself as Jak's buddy.

thing is, I think your both scum. Game-changing in the sense that town would then have an advantage over both teams.

You think I am scum, who confirmed other scum and kept it to my myself so the town would'nt lynch the other scum and gain an advantage in this game?

P.S. I realised I was being somewhat snarky with the repsonses..I'll tone it down.
I just find this silly.
And ehh, I'll extend this to Ghostlin too who I've prob been a bit rude to.

[Maxous]

Maxous 659 is pretty much a defence

Yeah, pointing out that somebody was'nt posting because they were v/la is scum defending thier buddy.
Just wagon...

Dry-Fit, I targeted who I targeted despite how convienent it looks for you. I saw EC as scummy and enough under the radar to make a NK.
Meh.

[Maxous]

How does confirming I did indeed block BB make a difference to what alignment we are?

[Maxous]

I don't like BB's constant hinting, but the power he is claiming must be provable otherwise this all would just be pointless.

The non-werewolf society along with his push to lynch BB makes me re-consider DX. If DX is mafia lynching BB would be....counter-productive.

Sorgster - why did you think Dry-Fit was scum?
That whole thing with Sorg just deciding to ISO only Ludi and suspect him for it continues to be quite weird.

Actually.

unvote,

VOTE: Vote Sorgster

I'm gonna vote him until he tells me why Dry-Fit was/is scum.

@Whoever asked- I know the top two wagons right now and Dry-fit and Jak, but I don't recall a particularly striking case on either of them, despite receiving so many votes. I can do a post dig for eachvoter's case, but the result will be if I don't agree with the crappy cases and don't find enough scumminess on my own when I read either one, I probably won't vote for them.

^
Did you do this? I don't remember an opinion on them afterwards.

[Maxous]

I also would'nt mind GW.
Just for clarification, here is my case.

Jackalope re

read

thought - seems too much like vigbait to waste a lynch on.

Vote Count 2.9

TheJakalope (7): Global Warming, Ghostlin, StefanB, Otolia, DarthYoshi, Oversoul, Alabaska J
Dry-Fit (6): BBmolla, The Fonz, Yosarian2, David Xanatos, sorgster, Empking's Alt

We are a great beast and therefore we are treated for investigative roles as a werewolf.
Does it actually matter what kind of miller?

The only claimed vig claimed one-shot, i.e. how was he gonna be vigged?

[Maxous]

Uh-huh.
You thought the mafia would kill someone not in thier team who was very likely to get lynched.
You have such confidence in another town-killing role(despite no evidence) that you were willing to not lynch your top scum read because of it.

But hey, you just keep deflecting that I am flailing scum, after all no-one listens to the lynched guy right?

[Maxous]

If you blocked BB, you must have thought he was scummy, right? And then you also had a role-based reason to think he might be scum, on TOP of your origional suspicion, so why didn't you vote for him? Weather you wanted to claim or not, I would at least expect you to be trying to get BB lynched if you were town. But you didn't even vote him. Why?

Long and short is that I thought DX was more likely scum
Same as yesterday.
=> voted him.

[Maxous]

@Maxous
I was just bandwagoning for the Dry-Fit vote. I thought day phase was going to end soon and wanted to get at least someone lynched.

Okay.
Why Dry-Fit instead of Jak?

[Maxous]

Oh. I get it.

Err,Sorg - that's not really a good explanation. What happened to your Otalia tunneling anyway?

[Maxous]

What if Max did roleblock BB, but they are both town, and there was only one night kill for another reason entirely?

I feel like a choir should be singing.

So yeah, anyway there is no CC here and I understand what BB is attempting to say.
Tl;DR: Don't lynch him tomorrow.

Anyone going 'Max is roleblocking scum we'll lynch him but oh if he's telling the truth then BB is hinting at counterclaiming him we should lynch BB now' - put them on the death list.

[Maxous]

Nope.

[Maxous]

Yosarian - hypothetically would

you

have sent DX out to make a night kill after Day 2?

[Maxous]

I don't understand why he would block BBmolla over DX if he felt DX was scummier, barring pressure from people in a society or mafia team.

Yosarian

Toasty

- hypothetically would

you

have sent DX out to make a night kill after Day 2?

[Maxous]

This is WIFOM. Also, there are new fangled scum roles out there that have other things to do besides executing the Night Kill.

*sigh*
I was explaining my reasoning.

@Max- Crazy question then.
Why did you pick BBMolla to roleblock?

Cause I found him scummy and more likely to make a night kill then DX based on Day 2 imo.
No logical hypo scum-team would of sent DX.

What in the world has BB done in this game to make you think he is town?

His soft claim looks legit if I have understood it correctly.
He would be brave scum to fake it imo.

Darth Yoshi's last post was...actually very scummy. Will explain when have more time. Feel free in the meantime to look at it yourself.
Will explain Sorgster-scum too.