Double Vote Mafia -Mini 1239- Over

[Rainbowdash]

Yeah which is why I want to do massclaim today. The gun suggests that there is a gunsmith and there is probably a doctor/BG if not both since this is 13 pony setup with no scum PRs. I am totally willing to double lynch a cop/cop counter day one and hope we have it happen.

Anyone who claims cop is basically confirmed, its probably worth it for scum to do but if they dont town is going to be crushing.

[Whiskers]

Okay.

Unvote: Nopony Special

Vote: Friend Maresil

Consider it a combination of an OMGUS and a vote that won't lynch. I'm putting it there because it has to be somewhere.

And no, Rainbow Dash, I was NOT popcorning AV. I was popcorning NS again, technically. Instead, I'll popcorn Hikari or Nintendo Addict, whomever comes on first (or rather, complies first, since I have the feeling Hikari will be a dick and refuse to play the game some more).

[Rainbowdash]

Alright then...

@hiraki/Nintendo

- We are massclaiming, you are up. Also claim who would have your vote if you only had one.

[Whiskers]

Setup Speculation?

Generally a bad idea, but I guess this doesn't look like a game with fantastic/wifomic roles. ie, a pretty standard setup here.
Sure, why not.
The worst thing that happens is we lose PRs, right?

RD, should the doc claim doc?

[Nobody Special]

Yeah which is why I want to do massclaim today. The gun suggests that there is a gunsmith and there is probably a doctor/BG if not both since this is 13 pony setup with no scum PRs. I am totally willing to double lynch a cop/cop counter day one and hope we have it happen.

Anyone who claims cop is basically confirmed, its probably worth it for scum to do but if they dont town is going to be crushing.

No, seriously.

Have you read the setup for the game?

[Rainbowdash]

@NS - Yes. I know what im doing.

@Whiskers - If they are a BG, yes. If they are a doctor I still lean yes given that the chance of multi-protectors are high since EV of a double vote game is something like +15% to scum out the gate, meaning a massclaim can be pretty powerful for town and likely clear three/four ponies at least. Maybe even setup forced NKs for scum for the remainder of the game.

[Nobody Special]

role pms

You are a Townie, and you've got no special powers at Night. No investigations, no protection, no gun to shoot people. Your only powers are the ability to post, vote (twice!), and think.

You win when all the scum are eliminated (even if you are dead by that time), so try to lynch well!

This game will be held in Central Park, and here is a link to the game.

You are a member of the Mafia with XXXXXXXX and XXXXXXXX. You may talk with your partners at any time.
At Night have one person from the group PM me the name of a player on behalf of the mafia (if there's a conflict I will act on the first PM received). The named player will be killed.
During the Day, try to blend in with the rest of the players, and get someone lynched.

You win (even if you personally are dead) when at least half of the living players are mafia, or when nothing can prevent this from happening.

This game will be held in Central Park, and here is a link to the game.

Here is a link to a qt.

I submit that you're either A) an idiot, or B) scum.

Which is it? I even

gave you a chance

to avoid this.

unvote

Vote: RainbowDash

Now, you're my top scumread.

[Nobody Special]

Oops.

unvote, unvote

Vote: RainbowDash

Vote: Whiskers

Whiskers is more or less a placeholder vote for the moment. We'll see how she reacts to what just happened.

[Rainbowdash]

Please, im not an idiot.

I know the setup, and was entirely serious when I said this is going to be massively scum sided. Two things that can help town are scum being careless and not knowing the setup, unlikely but worth a gamble, especially if I can try and nudge them into thinking its worth it to fake since it would otherwise hurt scum and clear a whole bunch of ponies. Would it have gotten anything? Probably not, but you can never underestimate the incompetence of some ponies. There have been ponies in the past who have screwed up and claimed a non-existant role in semi-opens that were ran as minis before.

The second part we do need to do though, since the top votes are essential for actual information since we for whatever reason are not allowed to just have only one vote out (more +EV to scum). Im going to keep a running one of those to compare to what we actually have to deal with.

[Friend Mairsil]

@AV , cuz both of you are playing the same game. for lack of a better way of saying it. in my experience when people get into the type of argument you and NIN did one tends to be scum. i voted whiskers because she was defending NIN. now if either of you flip scum, then i know exactly who im going after tomorrow. if neither of you flip scum then again i know who im gonna go after.

so i guess to answer your question a bit better, yes im useless today. tomorrow when more information is revealed will be the day that i can play with some certainty

[Rainbowdash]

Hey Friend!

You are ignoring my request for saying who vote would go to if you can only have one.

Who would it be?

[Whiskers]

I'll react by saying I wish I wasn't a placeholder, as I've already got a big wagon on me.
--Then again, I think you were already on that wagon, so nothing changed.

Still, I don't like, say, Friend Maresil's "placeholder vote" on me either, since I feel I'm in danger of being lynched.

Also, for the record, I

Didn't

look at the setup. That's in the first post or so, right?

[Whiskers]

Reading what I should have preeditted, I see it was NOT a placeholder vote...? I don't remember, when did you change your reasoning?

Also, RD, Gambits are soooo hard.

[Nobody Special]

I changed my reason that you weren't my top vote after RD's seriously flawed trainwreck .... thing.

You're still a close second.

[Voidedmafia]

We meet again, RD.

Also, my top pick is Vox, and it hasn't really moved since I put it

As for the massclaim, I can kinda see how it'd mess up scum, since its so jarring and they'll probably have to start scrambling to get themselves prepared to fakeclaim. You always start out strong, don't you, RD?

[Whiskers]

after re-reading this entire thing im with nintendo on this one. also i dont like how AV is pushing against him for a misrepresentation of an ADHOM. (btw whats this accronym. i mean i know what it means, i just dont know what it means...you feel me?)

VOTE AurorusVox & Whiskers

sorry whisk i needed another name

/shrugs

@AV , cuz both of you are playing the same game. for lack of a better way of saying it. in my experience when people get into the type of argument you and NIN did one tends to be scum.

i voted whiskers because she was defending NIN

. now if either of you flip scum, then i know exactly who im going after tomorrow. if neither of you flip scum then again i know who im gonna go after.

so i guess to answer your question a bit better, yes im useless today. tomorrow when more information is revealed will be the day that i can play with some certainty

[Whiskers]

Supposed to be at the top of the last post:
No, no, not you-- Friend Maresil's.
Observe:

[Whiskers]

We meet again, RD.

Also, my top pick is Vox, and it hasn't really moved since I put it

As for the massclaim, I can kinda see how it'd mess up scum, since its so jarring and they'll probably have to start scrambling to get themselves prepared to fakeclaim. You always start out strong, don't you, RD?

Unpopcorn: Nintendo Addict & Hikari.

Popcorn: VoidedMafia & Friend Maresil.

Friend because I want hers. (Just like Hiraki)
VM, because I want it to happen speedily. (Just like Nin)

[nintendoaddict1]

I don't even know what to say, Dash... that gambit to catch careless scum only makes you look bad. And by bad I mean scummy.

[Nobody Special]

But not scummy enough to vote her?

[Voidedmafia]

...okay.

Just a VT, pony.

Now I want dat popcorn on Vox.

[nintendoaddict1]

But not scummy enough to vote her?

Didn't have time for a full post at the time. I have to go back and re-read the last couple of pages.

[Rainbowdash]

Well the massclaim thing is probably moot at this point thanks to somepony pointing it out.

I do think its fairly likely Whiskers is town from it though since scum pays a whole lot more attention to the setup. I know when im scum one of the first things I do when I get my role is start trying to figure out what im going to be up against so I can prep ahead of time as much as possible. Not sure if Whiskers is somepony who would plan that much, but im pretty sure somepony on the team would have mentioned how unbalanced this setup is. Hint - Really unbalanced, like should be one less goon unbalanced.

Plus given that scum have daytalk, the longer it goes on the lower the chance of it being successfull.

Other things worth noting:

FM is scum.

AV will almost for sure not be scum with either Whiskers, nintendo or VM. If there was one it would have to be nintendo... but AV-scum is a huge town tell for any of the other three, just like how scum whiskers/nintendo/VM is a good town tell for AV.

Nintendo is also scum (AV town points)

All time I have for now, almost fully caught up. Will work out which of FM and Nintendo gets top vote later.

[Whiskers]

Vote both of the. Explain later.

Why is Nintendo scum?

I can see Friend Maresil scum, but I don't have a case.

[ThAdmiral]

Vote count

AurorusVox - 5 (Voidedmafia, Whiskers, Friend Marisil, nintendoaddict1, Christine)
Voidedmafia - 4 (Hiraki, Alnara, killerjester, Christine)
nintendoaddict1 - 3 (AurorusVox, killerjester, Voidedmafia)
Christine
malpascp - 1 (Hiraki)
killerjester
Friend Mairsil - 1 (Whiskers)
Hiraki
Alnara
Whiskers - 3 (AurorusVox, Nobody Special, Friend Marisil)
Rainbowdash - 2 (Alnara, Nobody Special)
Nobody Special - 1 (nintendoaddict1)

Not voting - malpascp, Rainbowdash

AurorusVox is -2