Mini 1243: Magician Mafia (Game Over)

[4nxi3ty]

since a lot of people aren't paying attention, i will explain these two quotes:

Confirm vote: 4nxi3ty

I highly suggest everyone else policy lynch him until he stops posting like that.

Unless Vi converted him?

here is saul's original reasons for voting me. he gets scumvibes from me yet pushes a policy lynch later. this is not an accurate thought process if he were town.

I really don't like Shift's weak jump to a policy lynch when sotty is at L-2, why do you think springlullaby is a better choice than sotty right now? Here's a hint, we aren't policy lynching today (although springlullaby isn't a bad choice for other reasons). Put up a genuine case on someone or get back on sotty.

ace completely ignores saulres' policy lynch reason even though saulres has been significantly more scummy than shift.

that being said i am up for either a saulres or ace lynch. however, if i push a lynch between ace and sotty more people are gonna vote for sotty,ie. vote for saulres or mislynch sotty.

[saulres]

You're kidding right? You seriously think that that post was a "push" for a policy lynch?

I'd been voting for you for most of the game. People weren't joining. Then you started posting annoyingly, so I suggested another reason to vote for you. If you're town, you were a detriment to it then. And you still are. To wit:

Ace's post you quoted has nothing to do with you. It was written after I moved my vote off you and onto sotty. Ace's vote at the time was on sotty. Shift's policy lynch he refers to was on spring for lurking. There were actually

no votes at all for you

at the time that post written.

I don't think I've ever seen such a poorly-researched misrep.

[4nxi3ty]

explain your reasons for voting me.

[saulres]

You linked to my original reason, and I'm not currently voting you.

Although I'm seriously considering rectifying that error.

[4nxi3ty]

what error?

[saulres]

The one where I removed my vote from a player who's detrimental to town (that would be you).

[4nxi3ty]

your being vague. am i scum or am i detrimental to town? is it an error to vote for sotty when i am your top scum read? or was it an error to policy lynch me?

[saulres]

I'm being vague? Seriously?

You're detrimental to town.

I believe you're one of the scummiest players in this game, and I also believe SR's one of the scummiest players in the game. But I can only place one vote.

I never policy lynched you, I suggested that others do.

The error was not trying to build a stronger case against you.

[4nxi3ty]

please commit to saying i am scum or saying i am anti-town(they are two different things). you can't have your cake and eat it.

[sottyrulez]

I never policy lynched you, I suggested that others do.

The error was not trying to build a stronger case against you.

Wut

[saulres]

I'm not saying you're scum, because I don't know who the scum is. I have no way of knowing until someone flips or makes a clear mistake if they're scum.

I'm saying that you're anti-town.

I'm also saying that you're in the top two of my scumreads.

Why is this so hard for you to understand?

[4nxi3ty]

who do you think is more scummy, me or sotty?

[saulres]

What difference does it make? I only get one vote. I'm trying to put it where it has the most chance of getting a lynch of my top scumspects.

[4nxi3ty]

please commit.

[sottyrulez]

Hey Saulres, let's go back to your info argument regarding us along with Vi, and Anxiety moving our votes as a group. What would our flip hypothetically tell you about them?

[Amrun]

So, spring, you really, truly think that your vote is a good one - at 3 days away from deadline.

Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh NO.


Also, my position has switched; I would rather lynch ace over sotty.

Springlullaby just became not-a-lurker-lynch, though.

[Amrun]

In post 85, Amrun wrote:Why does Junpei look all right to you?No follow up.I don't think this question was ever answered, actually. SL, please to be answering this.

And, spring, you want me to answer this question?

SERIOUSLY?

Die now.

[saulres]

*taps the stage microphone* Is this thing on?

@4nxi3ty: What difference does it make?

@SR: In the short term, a flip to either town or scum raises the possibilities that the others in the group are also in that alignment, possibly masons with day-talk capabilities. In the long term, several days down, VCA could be used to look for bussing, false buddying , etc.

I haven't seen any solid scumslips yet. The closest could be CC's ace/4nxi3ty slipup, and I'm still waiting on Vi to confirm my understanding of her communication.

I don't see anywhere else where a flip could potentially reveal so much, although Vi's confirmation could potentially make a case that an Ace flip would also be revealing. I hope it comes soon, because my V/LA's a little over 24 hours away and I'd really like to be contributing at end of day. (Missing the beginning of the day isn't as critical as missing the end of day imo.)

I do find it interesting that after I posted my thoughts about flipping someone in that group, Vi moved her vote and 4nxi3ty moved it elsewhere, so you're no longer all voting the same.

[saulres]

I just think that post of Ace's displays pro-town reasoning to back up my lolgut.I just don't think he's scum.

my position has switched; I would rather lynch ace over sotty.

With only one post by you between those two, the second comes out of the blue. Why the change of heart?

[Amrun]

I commented on the post with a frowny face. It kind of singlehandedly erased my good feelings, in combination with one other post that I commented on before. One terribad post can be explained away, but...

Do not misunderstand. He is not a high suspect of mine. I think he's more likely town, actually, but my townread on him has decreased to just barely leaning town. My townread on sottyrulez surpasses it.

I still don't think ace is the optimal lynch. My optimal lynch is being ignored.

[ace5993]

@Amrun - If I'm an acceptable lynch choice for today and am still on the town side of the scale how many scum reads do you have?

[Amrun]

Are you capable of discerning where my vote is?

[ace5993]

Does that mean that you have one scum read then? I am aware you aren't voting me however you're pretty strongly implying that you'd lynch me if it came down to it.

[Amrun]

I can't bring myself to re-explain the entire thread to you.

You're very wrong. I'll just leave it at that for now. My patience is expended.

[ace5993]

I'm aware that you've posted suspicions before. Opinions change. I'm simply asking how many people you have a scumread on right now.