Strategy Mafia (Town Victory!)

[Regfan]

I did a lot of mulling over the setup information that we have so far and re-reading and I actually think we're dealing with one scum now, not two. I'll explain it all in more detail later but I'm exhausted and need sleep right now.

[Andrius]

I can't get over the strength of town-read I get from Andrius's claim right now.

I don't even know the specifics of Andrius's claim right now. And I definitely have an opinion on it, but I'd rather hold of on comment until he full fakeclaims.

I think you've made your opinion quite clear.

Naut is pretty much 1v1 with Andrius now barring RegfanRoleblocker, right?
Also do we think this is mylo or no?

How does RegfanRoleblocker change anything?

hito, llama are conf.town. Maru's play is townie but we shouldn't make that leap. I definitely think Naut is scum. I'm not sure whether its him+buddy or just him (is there even a way to tell?).

This tells me there's a pretty great chance of us not being in mylo. If we were in mylo, pretty sure scum-Andy would just line up all his eggs in a basket in buddying up to everyone but him.

Ok seriously naut you tell me where you're getting this scum meta of mine from because minus [ongoing-but-dead] I haven't been scum in a long time.

I just re-looked into the positions prior to the NK and Llarmable can you explain to me how Andrius and Nautilius are in a 1 v 1 exactly again because from how it looks it's also entirely possible for Maruchan to have sent in the kill.

Also, Andrius, can you fully claim again including every specific part of your role description and your actions with it please.

Yeah no problem.
I'm the Town Passage Finder. I can spend a chit to search a room (that I'm in) for secret passages from that room to somewhere else on the map.

There's a

Secret Passage

from Nexus to the Tipping Point- presumable dug recently.
Hence why the move Nexus --> Tipping Point was valid.

And yes the secret passage

doesn't appear on the map.
But if you know they're there you can use them.

Hence mafia can kill through them but revealed anyone can use them.

And yes moves made through them will be shown during the day.
Hence tipping point fiasco.

I'm not sure. But since I get free reign over the map and search via chits, I get the feeling he can spend chits to make tunnels whenever he has enough chits (which I presume costs more than one) but that's my guessing.
I'd guess so since it costs me.

No tunnels in rage.

[Andrius]

BTW I'm super-happy so play with CES because he was in LOTR and I've never gotten to play with him before (minus alt stuff ofc).
ANYWHO

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

You never looked in the Villa, right, Andrius? Why not?

I did a lot of mulling over the setup information that we have so far and re-reading and I actually think we're dealing with one scum now, not two. I'll explain it all in more detail later but I'm exhausted and need sleep right now.

I agree with this, but we're probably better assuming 2 scum for now. Just 4 scum would bring Llamarble back into the conversation though, as far as I'm concerned.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Wait, never mind, there's a lawyer, so Llamarble is doubleplustown.

So this is pretty simple, right? Scum are among {Andrius, Nautilius, Regfan} and we have 3 kills?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Was Regfanroleblocker an actual claim or just speculation?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I kinda would've expected Regfan to call back to the whole finally getting to catch Maguascum thing.

yeah if [hito] really was town why hasn't he just asked zoraster what his action would say if Move Checker noticed it?

This is pretty terrible.

That said, scum is probably Andrius + Nautilius. Will elaborate on Andriusscum soon. Do I need to make any moves?

[Regfan]

That was after I had already witnessed Hito reloading in the Villa and knowing that his action was called or titled a miscellaneous action and was hoping he would scumslip by claiming that his action would have a different label or name.

I don't think Nautilus and Andrius as scum together as it would mean the setup is Cop, Masons, Backup and Vig vs 5 Mafia with countering PR's; Mafia Doc counters Vig, Mafia Lawyer counters Cop and a SK which I don't see being the case.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Well, Andrius is scum, so...

That was after I had already witnessed Hito reloading in the Villa and knowing that his action was called or titled a miscellaneous action and was hoping he would scumslip by claiming that his action would have a different label or name.

That makes even less sense. There's zero reason for hito to give incorrect information about his actual role. His alignment doesn't enter into it. (It would've made some sense if you thought the whole reloading story was bogus since in that case hito obviously wouldn't ask zor what it was called.)

[Regfan]

The way I saw it was Town-Hito has no reason to lie about what it would be titled whatsoever whereas there's a potential chance that SK-Hito might just outright lie about what it's titled therefore pushing him to out it is only beneficial.

Andrius, let me get this right. You have copious amounts of chits now and on previous days but the only places you've checked are Rage (None), Nexus (Tunnel to Tipping point) and that's it?

[zorastermod]

Day 5, Round 2

Moves:

None







Blue,

GREEN

,

RED

, AND

PURPLE

CHITS ACCEPTED.

Next Round's Move Due:

20:00 EDT

Remember to title your message "Round X Move" where X is the current Round

Note: Do NOT PM this account. PM Zoraster for all game comments

[zoraster]

Day 5

Andrius ( 1 ) Cogito Ergo Sum,

(L - 3 )

hitogoroshi ( 0 )

(L - 4 )

Llamarble ( 0 )

(L - 4 )

Cogito Ergo Sum ( 0 )

(L - 4 )

Nautilius ( 0 )

(L - 4 )

Regfan ( 0 )

(L - 4 )

No Lynch ( 0 )
Not Voting ( 5 ) Andrius, hitogoroshi, Llamarble, Regfan, Nautilius,
Total Votes ( 6 )
Needed to Lynch [ 4 ]


Deadline: Round 14

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Is the plan for hito to move to door control?

[Regfan]

Yeah, I'm sending this in:

#MOVE

Player to Move:

Hito

Room to Move to:

Door Control

Insurance?:

Yes

[Regfan]

I'm going to need to be moved out and back into move checker since my target is dead.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

What's the point, really? A 1 vs. 1 between you and Andrius or Naut wouldn't even help us; apart from panic room continuing to protect llama I don't really see the appeal of any of the rooms currently. As I see it, the only way we lose this (barring hito or llamarble shenanigans in which case we probably lose regardless of our actions) is if the scum can prevent hito from killing somehow. Given that there's a dead mafia doctor, further protection on the side of the scums seems highly unlikely, but we can't exclude a roleblocker. Therefore, I think we should arrange for hito's vig target to be closer to hito than anyone else, ensuring that hito's vig goes off before the roleblock. This would go wrong if and only if we mislynch and the vig target is the roleblocker (if we lynch correctly and the vig target is the roleblocker, we just lynch him).

[Regfan]

I think we should arrange for hito's vig target to be closer to hito than anyone else, ensuring that hito's vig goes off before the roleblock.

This is a fantastic idea. We also need to make sure that everyone is as far away from the ragetorium as possible otherwise scum could potential move us towards it and use the double-vote to end the game if we ever reach a lylo situation.

[Andrius]

Was Regfanroleblocker an actual claim or just speculation?

No one claimed RB. So speculation methinks.

I'm going to need to be moved out and back into move checker since my target is dead.

I got this.

#move

Player to Move:

Regfan

Room to Move to:

Campfire

Insurance?:

No

This for Reg to recharge, yes?

Also no tunnels in villa when I checked days ago. You must realize Reg that I require others to move me. It takes twice the chits for a self-move as we all know and to check a room is one so I can't self-move and actually pull off more than one check a day assuming I'm moving ONLY myself without help. :/

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Also no tunnels in villa when I checked days ago.

This is why you're scum, just fyi.

You claim to be the Town Passage Finder, but we know there is a secret passage in the Secluded Villa and yet you claim you didn't find any.

You have a lair that is behind a secret passage to the north of the Secluded Villa.

If your lair is discovered and entered, any player strapped to the table will be released in his current condition.

Considering it's fairly plausible that a scum tunnel role would make this fake claim and you had no way of knowing that the Villa did contain a secret passage at the time, yeah, you're scum.

[Andrius]

Am I allowed a final request?

[Regfan]

Nice catch CES and sure Andrius, what's your final request?

[Andrius]

I'd prefer to be shot dead by hito, more of as a testament to Court of the Gods than anything related to this game.
But I know you probably won't allow that because of the benefit a No Lynch would have for the mythical fifth scumbuddy, so I guess I'll resign myself to a lynching.

CES you can stop rereading by the way.

[Regfan]

Yeah, as much as I'd love to grant you that request I'd love for this game to end as soon as possible. You actually played extraordinarily well, your claim read as a legitimate town pr.

Vote: Andrius

[Andrius]

Yeah, as much as I'd love to grant you that request I'd love for this game to end as soon as possible. You actually played extraordinarily well, your claim read as a legitimate town pr.

Vote: Andrius

Meh, if I played "extraordinarily well"... ehhh, I couldn't have really known about that tunnel.
Though how it was supposed to be "found" is beyond me. >___>
So yeah If its all the same to you I won't be helping with this lynch. :/

[Regfan]

No problem.

Since it's bugging me can you explain why you didn't shoot Hito last night please?