Mini 1219 - Bedtime Stories Mafia - Game Over!

[Neruz]

Tell me one thing. If I commit to an Elli lynch and Elli flips town and I die tonight. Who will you lynch tomorrow? Cuz I can't support this if Banshee won't die but at the same time leaving Thomith and Neruz to endgame is just... ugh. If we lynch Banshee today and then you guys commit to an Elli lynch tomorrow, I'll be happier.

Probably Banshee. I'd

really

like to lynch Thomith, but i just can't see him actually being scum.

[Banshee]

Meh. I went looking for meta on Elli again and found Open 312, Venomous Intentions, where he was scum with Llama. It looks about the same as here, though maybe Elli cared slightly more here. I don't know. Link is here. I suck at meta analysis so if anyone wants to look at that, I'd be grateful; to me it looks the same.

On a more important note to me, if you lynch me today, EB, who do you want lynched tomorrow? From my perspective it puts our chances of victory at a coinflip, but I realise that it won't look the same for others. I don't believe that Neruz really thought that there would be three cults. I just don't buy that, so that's why my suspicion keeps falling back there. He was too confident, too arrogant, and too condescending early on for me to believe that he would make such a noob mistake. His pride would not have allowed it, imo.

So in the event I'm lynched today I want Neruz for tomorrow. Please don't forget.

[Thomith]

Neruz or elli should be lynched today imo.

[Banshee]

Neruz or elli should be lynched today imo.

Which one do you think is more likely to be scum at the moment?

I'm having serious indecisiveness. And I feel like I can only pick one because I figure I'm the other lynch regardless. And I'm sure my being alive is screwing up EB's ability to read the other two, so I am torn about whether it's better to go ahead and be lynched and let you guys decide it tomorrow without this distraction or to try to fight and make cases when I'm not really sure of who is scum between Elli and Neruz.

Neruz has admitted to hypocrisy, has had weird reactions about VoidedMafia, has made this whole weird argument about how he believed in three cults in a mini and didn't think about it more. (I would run away from three cults in a mini, personally, so he's also copping to masochism.) But he's ADMITTED all this. Would scum? I just don't know.

But Ellibereth has lurked and played to scum meta in my opinion and has contributed almost nothing. Nonetheless my gut reads him as town. I need more content and more analysis from Elli and I don't think I'm going to get it.

I just don't know who the scum is. I feel like EB would be able to think about it more clearly if I were lynched to take away the WIFOM, but if I'm dead I figure he's dead too because there's no advantage in keeping him alive to endgame if he's not going to lynch me for the scum. So is it better to be lynched now and put it to implosion/EB (whichever one survives) and Thomith to decide?

I honestly don't know.

Thinking about it some more.

[Evil Bullet]

Tell me one thing. If I commit to an Elli lynch and Elli flips town and I die tonight. Who will you lynch tomorrow? Cuz I can't support this if Banshee won't die but at the same time

leaving Thomith and Neruz to endgame is just... ugh.

If we lynch Banshee today and then you guys commit to an Elli lynch tomorrow, I'll be happier.

You discount the idea that Neruz could be scum? This seems to indicate so.

[Evil Bullet]

vote: Banshee

[Banshee]

@EB: Who will you lynch tomorrow if you're not NKed?

Who between Neruz and Elli do you think is more likely scum?

[Thomith]

if there is a no kill we probably gain another mislynch, if there is a kill we likely have 2 clears in mylo which is amazing imo.
I dont know what one, atm i am thinking elli just because he would be the scum we wouldn't catch but i dont buy the 3 cult leader thing to be genuine as it would unbalance the game for one and in the normal wiki page it says the only TP aloud in mini normals are serial killers and the sneaking under them under the review teams noses is just stupid.

[Thomith]

why do i keep forgetting EB is even night? >.>

[Evil Bullet]

@EB: Who will you lynch tomorrow if you're not NKed?

Who between Neruz and Elli do you think is more likely scum?

I'd lynch Elli tomorrow. I haven't had more than a weak scum read on Neruz all game.

[Banshee]

Is your case against Elli just lurking or do you have a meta read that says he's scum? I don't need links since I'm pretty sure you're conftown, just need to know if you're basing it solely on lurkiness.

[Evil Bullet]

I've been off and on about him all game. I never use lurkiness as a scumtell (probably because if I'm lurking I'm probably town) but when he was posting more I was wary of him.

[Evil Bullet]

I can see Elli scum. IIRC, Voided kept on getting on Parama about lurking but ignored cloudocean quite a bit more. I can't remember any notable interaction between Voided and Hiphop to Elli probably because they avoided it since they were attacking each other. Neruz doesn't fit into the puzzle as well as Elli/Cloud or Deselby (who I think Rainbow wanted lynched and I would have agreed with)/Banshee.

[Banshee]

If I'm going to argue for my lynch and trust you to lynch the scum tomorrow I need more confidence that you have a clue who the remaining scum is. You don't seem all that confident. I know *I* am not all that confident. If implosion is sure it's Elli then I'm going to go with that.

I realise there's no way you can know my alignment, EB, and I get that you think I'm scum. I understand why too. But from MY perspective I have to trust that you guys will lynch correctly when I'm gone. If I were sure about who the scum was I'd be pushing my own read. I think it's Neruz, and I've said so. Implosion thinks it's Elli and so do you (second to me, obviously).

Okay. I would like to request that Ellibereth and Neruz each explain to me why the other one is more likely to be scum than they are. Or, heck, explain to me why I'm scummier than either of you. I don't care. But say SOMETHING about someone else in this game that I can use to make some sort of decision.

Please.

[implosion]

@EB:

give me a banshee-scum case.

Ugh. Maybe. I need time.

We've got plenty.

[GreyICE]

Vote Count 5.1

Ellibereth(2) -

Neruz, Implosion

Banshee(1) -

Evil Bullet

Evil Bullet(0) -

implosion(0) -

Neruz(1) -

Thomith

Thomith (0) -

Not Voting (2) -

Ellibereth, banshee,

With 6 alive, it is 4 to lynch

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[Thomith]

I agree with banshees idea but i think it should be why they shouldn't be lynched as well, aka why they think they are town post-wise.

[Banshee]

The problem with that is that no one is objective enough to make a case convincingly on themselves either way.

I could offer to make a case on myself as scum or town but my own knowledge of my alignment would interfere with the objective observation of the facts and would prevent anything I say from being valuable.

It's much better to ask people to comment on others, even if you can't derive any associative flips now.

To see what I mean here, try to make a case on yourself as town. We have time right now, so you could see why it's difficult and it feels forced and wrong for town to do. (I've never tried to do this as scum, so I don't know if it's different then.)

[Thomith]

Fair point, however if they could explain motivations for actions to us it could help us decifer what mindset they are playing with.

[Banshee]

At this point I'd almost settle for a weather report from each of them. Or the case on me from EB. Something, anything that might actually help us figure this out.

[Thomith]

meh, right now i guess they should stick to your original idea, mine was just a suggestion.

[Ellibereth]

town calling themselves town is awesome and underused.
yeah I'm working on you/neruz
and thom
since I'm not half as confident as you guys there
the first no kill wasn't difficult
and I remember llama plotting outt he rest in some post
or buddies in qt
or I don't know

anyway time is here so thinktank can go slowbro.

[Thomith]

the first no kill wasn't difficult
and I remember llama plotting outt he rest in some post
or buddies in qt

What is the meaning of the quoted, and dont say "HURR YOU DONT UNDERSTAND ALOT OF THINGS" please just explain it so i can make sense of this post.

[Ellibereth]

not directed towards you
directed toward banshee
aka you don't need to know

[Thomith]

ok.
when can we expect your case that banshee suggested you give earlier?