SMBM II: Defense of Yoshi's Island (Final! MVPs announced!)

[chkflip]

His amount of current scumreads =/= amount of scum in game.

Scum-motivated postings much?

[Vifam]

Vifam - how can someone visit you using a passive ability? doesn't make sense to me. WLC pointed this out earlier.

Pretty sure Passive in this regard means "Anything that doesn't kill me".

[Bunnylover]

I have a day off tomorrow.
Gonna read the stuff I missed.

[hiplop]

His amount of current scumreads =/= amount of scum in game.

Scum-motivated postings much?

Um, are you fucking kidding me? I know youre not that good,but at least attempt TO be competent.

Why ard you defendung johhog anyway? Why is it logical to have 90+% of the players labelled as scum? Allit doesisallow wiggleroom for scum.

[chkflip]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

THAT'S FUCKING RICH.

HIPLOP. TALKING TO ME. ABOUT PLAYING SHIT.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

It's not so much defending Johhog as calling your "catch," for lack of a better word, fucking retarded.

They're reads. Get over yourself.

[manho]

So I am Paratroops, Island CounterAttacker.


Anyone who visits me with a passive ability dies the next night.

I'm informed who visits me, and it was Ranmaru.

Which is why he needs to claim right now.

How can you be visited by a passive ability?

[manho]

^WTF. I was making a post but something remove it and replace it by a quote that I'm not quoting. Just ignore the above post.

I see town everywhere, or scum that will die tonight. Maybe we can lynch WLC instead.

[warriormode]

Vifam - how can someone visit you using a passive ability? doesn't make sense to me. WLC pointed this out earlier.

Pretty sure Passive in this regard means "Anything that doesn't kill me".

Completely wrong.

Mafia Wiki says "A Passive Role is one which has no ability to choose when or how to use their role abilities. Examples include Bulletproof, Bomb, and Lovers."

[WeyounsLastClone]

umm point to WLC.

Is it that they visited you WITH a passive ability or THAT they HAVE a passive ability and visited you?

Visited with.

A passive ability is just that: passive. It's not something you can actively do something with. So how someone can 'passively' visit you is beyond me.

We have Vifam claiming to be visited by Ranmaru/warriormode, and Ranmaru/warriormode claiming not to have done so. Unless I'm misunderstanding something one of them is lying, so I'd prefer a lynch here, and of the two parties I don't trust Vifam.

[warriormode]

And it's obvious that Vifam is lying. We already found at least two flaws in his claim.

[manho]

Nope, we are not lynching warrior or vifam today. We will know whether vifam is lying or not tonight. And we can lynch vifam tomorrow if warrior doesn't die tonight.

[Isa]

Vifam, while you shouldn't quote the role PM exactly, I want you to tell as detailed as you can what your role does and what it does not.

[chkflip]

Nope, we are not lynching warrior or vifam today. We will know whether vifam is lying or not tonight. And we can lynch vifam tomorrow if warrior doesn't die tonight.

And when warrior is the mafia's NK... then what?

[Isa]

Then we know that he's not scum, making our lives easier.

I believe Vifam much more than I believe Warriormode.

[manho]

Nope, we are not lynching warrior or vifam today. We will know whether vifam is lying or not tonight. And we can lynch vifam tomorrow if warrior doesn't die tonight.

And when warrior is the mafia's NK... then what?

we lynch vifam if warrior flips town. we confirm vifam as town if warrior flips scum. that's easy.

inb4 "what if warrior got janitored?"

[warriormode]

Nope, we are not lynching warrior or vifam today. We will know whether vifam is lying or not tonight. And we can lynch vifam tomorrow if warrior doesn't die tonight.

And when warrior is the mafia's NK... then what?

we lynch vifam if warrior flips town. we confirm vifam as town if warrior flips scum. that's easy.

inb4 "what if warrior got janitored?"

If I get Janitored, then that should be from the mafia NK i believe.
Vifam didn't say he had the ability to Janitor someone.
Therefore, Vifam should be scum if I'm Janitored

[warriormode]

Vifam, while you shouldn't quote the role PM exactly, I want you to tell as detailed as you can what your role does and what it does not.

Not only that, but also as detailed as possible on how you were informed that Ran visited you and what night did he visit you.

[projectmatt]

Can someone please summarize in a few easy points why they're voting ProjectMatt, like he asks you people to.

It's funny how KDCAspot is the only one who will actually explain. If everyone still wagons me and fails to realize how completely illogical and silly the wagon is, and if they refuse to get others to explain in-depth why am I scum so it proves they aren't just hopping on the wagon, which may prove to be important in later days, then that's their fault.

Vote: WLC

PS: There are problems with the mechanics of Vifam's role but Warrior is intensely scummy and I have trouble seeing Vifam pulling a gambit so obnoxiously like that as scum.

[warriormode]

So Vifam asking for a massclaim on D3 didn't seem scummy to you PM?

[manho]

Nope, we are not lynching warrior or vifam today. We will know whether vifam is lying or not tonight. And we can lynch vifam tomorrow if warrior doesn't die tonight.

And when warrior is the mafia's NK... then what?

we lynch vifam if warrior flips town. we confirm vifam as town if warrior flips scum. that's easy.

inb4 "what if warrior got janitored?"

If I get Janitored, then that should be from the mafia NK i believe.
Vifam didn't say he had the ability to Janitor someone.
Therefore, Vifam should be scum if I'm Janitored

no, in the case where you are scum, your scum team will janitor you to frame vifam.

so, let's solve this conflict tomorrow after warrior die or not die.

will probably iso WLC tomorrow when i have time.

[projectmatt]

So Vifam asking for a massclaim on D3 didn't seem scummy to you PM?

No, not really. First of all it made sense from his point of view, being the role he claims to be. He wanted to out the roles so he could figure out who was scum, I suppose. Also, I have trouble seeing scum pushing for a gigantic massclaim and riding that idea all day throughout. The people suspecting him for rolefishing are probably more likely scum candidates, to be honest.

[warriormode]

I'd like to know the results of any and all investigations too, ESPECIALLY if they were on me.

[warriormode]

I want vifam to come back and explain himself first.

[WeyounsLastClone]

Nope, we are not lynching warrior or vifam today. We will know whether vifam is lying or not tonight. And we can lynch vifam tomorrow if warrior doesn't die tonight.

Too much can happen at night to make this a foolproof plan. If Vifam is scum, scum can just kill warrior tonight (although then it would be the only kill that night, but I think scum could manipulate as well. It feels like you're protecting Vifam somehow, while he still has to explain something impossible from his claim. A passive ability can't be actively used as far as I can see.

[hiplop]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

THAT'S FUCKING RICH.

HIPLOP. TALKING TO ME. ABOUT PLAYING SHIT.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

It's not so much defending Johhog as calling your "catch," for lack of a better word, fucking retarded.

They're reads. Get over yourself.

yeah, smarten up.