Mini 1247- Auction Mafia: Abandoned

[hiplop]

daphne has show he has very little intelligence, I wouldnt doubt it.

So the thinking is a townie spent 75% of their points on a NK, and announce it? The situations are both as unlikely. BUT - if scum DOESNT have a NK, then they would NEED it, so spending the money makes sense

MOD VOTE COUNT:
Uncledaphne 6 (hiplop, Sodaspirit, mego, voidedmafia, sorgster, lunconis)
Mego 3 (uncledaphne, BV310, peregrine)
BV310 2 (Magua empking)
Sodaspirit 2 (uncledaphne, deathrowkitty)

[DeathRowKitty]

So the thinking is a townie spent 75% of their points on a NK, and announce it? The situations are both as unlikely. BUT - if scum DOESNT have a NK, then they would NEED it, so spending the money makes sense

I mentioned earlier that there was something that could happen that would make me way more likely to vote uncledaphne day 2, but now that I think about it, I don't see any harm in saying what that is now:

If there's only one kill tonight, I would be more likely to vote uncledaphne tomorrow. Of course, one kill tonight could very well mean scum hit either the bulletproof or doc protect, so it wouldn't be set in stone, but it would certainly make it more likely that uncledaphne wanted the kill because scum don't have one.

I really expect scum to have a factional kill though. If scum don't have a factional kill, 3 scum would likely be underpowered in this setup (especially since the greater than 3:1 town:scum ratio would allow town to outbid scum at will for most of the game) and a 4-man scum team seems like too much for a 13 player game (unless you're Adel, in which case you can have a 4-man scum team in a 12p setup).

[SodaSpirit17]

unvote

Vote: bv

Go along with me y'all. I still think Daphne is scum, but BV is obvscum.

[Magua]

@Magua- I think only the NKs should claim, and that town should direct them.

They should claim. Yes.

However, they *cannot* be directed unless the busdriver is in town hands. This should be blatantly obvious. Which is why the busdriver needs to claim if they're town. No busdriver claim => no directing of kills. We can still hold them responsible, but it'd be so much better to say "Shoot bv310 because he's scum."

If there's only one kill tonight, I would be more likely to vote uncledaphne tomorrow. Of course, one kill tonight could very well mean scum hit either the bulletproof or doc protect, so it wouldn't be set in stone, but it would certainly make it more likely that uncledaphne wanted the kill because scum don't have one.

How does there being only one kill mean anything about daphne's alignment? If scum lack a factional night-kill, there'll be one kill. If scum do not lack a factional night-kill, there'll be two. Regardless of whether daphne is scum or not.

[DeathRowKitty]

If scum don't have a factional night kill, it would be a good reason for daphne to have spent so many points for one.

[SodaSpirit17]

If scum don't have a factional night kill, it would be a good reason for daphne to have spent so many points for one.

how would daphne've known scum didn't have a kill unless he was scum? tbh, that would make it all the more reason why he'd be scum.

[DeathRowKitty]

Yes, that is what I meant. I probably should have put "as scum" after "daphne" in that sentence.

[Empking]

If scum don't have a factional night kill, it would be a good reason for daphne to have spent so many points for one.

how would daphne've known scum didn't have a kill unless he was scum? tbh, that would make it all the more reason why he'd be scum.

Which is what DRK was saying.

[sorgster]

The reason daphne may have bid so much might have been because he thought we was going to get lynched day one or next survive the next phase. I bid about 12 for the 100% for that reason. However, daphne's other posts have been strange compared to my meta on him in what was his very first game.

[SodaSpirit17]

oh sorry, i thought you meant that in the essence of, it was good for town, so that he prevented them from getting the kill.

[sorgster]

Someone bid on the doc

Current bids:

Investigate 100%: 6 points
Protect: 5 points
50% investigate: 4 points.

Phase ends in (expired on 2011-09-27 09:47:00)

Scum+Doc=Disaster of the third degree

Why was he asking for the protect to be bid on? I doubt scum would use points on something like that.

[DeathRowKitty]

I have no idea why he thought doctor would be an ability scum would want, but if he did think that, his first post that you quoted makes sense.

[PeregrineV]

@Magua- Scum has an 10% chance of roleblocking a town-bought power if you hadn't claimed (and assuming your town).
You have a 8.25% chance of blocking the NK, assuming they get a free one.
Any redirection has the same chance of redirecting a free NK anywhere.

If we decide to do claims, it should probably be during the bargain phase, since where things are now might not be where they end up.

[Shanba]

I'm with magua - certain abilities really really really need to claim today - bus driver being the most important one. It shoudl never have been bought at all, but by forcing it to claim we can run damage mitigation.

DRK - there's value in keeping our points total hidden, but there's also value in keeping our points totals public, too. Magua is quite right (and that was what I meant by endgame situations) in that we can force scum to admit guilt by revealing that they are missing points that they should have. As to which is more important, I'm not sure, but for abilities where keeping the actual ability hidden isnt too important, I think it's better that we out the person and have an accurate claim. Particularly as bidding on bus driver is scummy in and of itself.

Speaking of which: Magua, why did you buy the roleblocker?

uncledaphne could be a troll. Like, a legitimate "I'm gonna go play mafia on this site and act like a dumbarse huehuehue" type troll. Thats one of the options I'm considering when reading his posts. He might be playing the fool in order to get away with the scummy act of bidding all his shit on the nightkill. I really am not sure yet.

BV post was super scummy. hiplop logic on uncledaphne is my normal town logic for these situations. He looks town to me. Voidedmafia is my hipster wagon of choice.

Voidedmafia: you want the 100% nightkill to claim, but you voted uncledaphne for "his actions during the Auction phase". What actions were these?

[uncledaphne]

Ah yes, and I also have the doc.

[sorgster]

that is impossible. You can only have one transfer item bought during the auction phase. Did you mean you were the one who bid on doctor?

[PeregrineV]

Ah yes, and I also have the doc.

OK, first, LMAO.

Second, why would you do that, when you can only use one ability a night (yes, this is an assumption based on all games with multiple abilities)?

Third, why claim it? I don't think you can doc yourself.

pedit:

5) You may bid on, and win, as many abilities as you would like to spend points on.

[uncledaphne]

Just felt like it

[Mego]

daphne has show he has very little intelligence, I wouldnt doubt it.

So the thinking is a townie spent 75% of their points on a NK, and announce it? The situations are both as unlikely. BUT - if scum DOESNT have a NK, then they would NEED it, so spending the money makes sense

You made this post before I could. Rabble rabble rabble.

Ah yes, and I also have the doc.

Just felt like it

So, what we're seeing here is either daphne spent all of his points on protect and 100% NK (protect sold for 5), which are two completely incompatible abilities to have, or he's lying out his ass. For starters, bidding on more than one ability is pointless unless you're trying to keep them from scum. In that case, not only are there others to grab them, but protect is near-useless for scum. So, extremely bad play or blatant lying. No matter which is the case, daphne deserves lynching.

Your scum cuz your buddying bandwagoning just your overall scummy vibe. You did also things in the last game I played with you, and you were scum.

Let's not bring other games into this, unless it's meta-related. That post did not mention anything meta.

Holy fuck why are there 5 people on Daphne. Even if he is scum (too early to know), we need more discussion before lynching his ass.

Ladies and/or gentlementlemen, I believe we have found our D2 lynch.

[Lurconis]

protect isn't useless to scum if daph is scum by buying both he limits the chance of his kill not going through

[Thestatusquo]

No one has asked this as a rule question yet but seeing as I've seen 3 or 4 posts with a fundamental misunderstanding of the rules I'll step in: You may use any abilities you buy. That means if you buy 1 ability you can use that one ability. If you buy 5 you can use them all. Thank you.

[uncledaphne]

Mego, this is a serious concern. I recommend you get off this website, and maybe get an education. Try elementary school at least.

[Lurconis]

@UD that is uncalled for please stick to game discussion and leave personal insults out of it.

[uncledaphne]

He has personally insulted me on a regular basic

[Mego]

I have never personally insulted you. I have only taken what you say and pointed out the logical fallacies and the bad play. Never once have I said something like "your mother doesn't love you" or "you were adopted". If you could mature up and understand that this is a game and arguments are a major part of it, rather than whining and attacking me personally, that would be great.