Mini 1243: Magician Mafia (Game Over)

[Vi]

0.Oo.0O.o

This day just went from bad to worse.

Do you really want to lynch A LURKER?

Do you seriously think a SL or RIGGS flip will provide more info than a ACE or SOTTY(this name should be saul) flip...?

info

*sprinkles what appears to be magical pixie dust in the air*

Saw Riggs' claim. We're still digesting it over here. Definitely want to see what Vi has to say now.

Asking for a deadline extension

First I'd like someone to explain to me what the mason/neighbor thing is about: am I correct in understanding that Vi is claiming neighbor/mason with GNR? Whom she has asked to post her thoughts?

Secondly I ll reply to Vi in detail when I get to a computer this night. Short: Vi, you are correct in thinking that I was leaning on you being scum as I stated plainly in my wall post, but I think my points and pressure of you have been adequate. You have been posting rainbow ponies and deriding all my simple questions to you prior to even your vote on me. I read that as scum passive provocation, because you know that I'm _awesome_.I'm still circumspect of you because, well, I know for a fact that you are wrong about me, but yes I think you are very unlikely to be scum now and that I have been wrong.

In meantime, please everyone support deadline extension!! Because you don't want to miss the oppotunity of gauging my interaction with Vi (now that she seem to be able to talk through puppets) and everyone else's reactions to it!!!

*pulls stationary bicycle from offstage*
*backpedals furiously*

I'd like to know more details of the role because on the current evidence it seems a little strange.

*shrug*

[Junpei]

Springs reads are cookie cutter in the fact that you have a bunch of one line pbpa and then a conclusion which is rather generic. A separate issue I have with it is that she says that she stopped reading people once she deemed they were town. Correct me if I'm wrong, but reads change over the course of time, and that includes town reads, so stopping early and flagging someone as town makes no sense.

Things I'm confused with this post restriction.

1. If they don't mind outing themselves as related, then why didn't they do this from the start?

2. This seems like an easy way to get around the post restriction. Riggs post for Vi whenever she writes a post for you (assuming you have a QT or something) and then Vi quotes it afterward.

Will do more analysis of this later before the day break, and will try to read Riggs' post again, was quite confused the first time I read through it.

Oh, and Vi, you didn't answer Ace's question.

[Crab Canon]

My position is that I would like to lynch Ace,

I have no interest in lynching Sotty

and I would compromise on SL, but I don't have a particularly strong scumread on her. I think her play has been lacklustre but I don't see a whole lot of scum motivation (or any motivation up until recently) other than potentially in the self-preservation.

This summarizes my position as well (minus the stricken part).

[sottyrulez]

@sotty - I thought you two were married, why do you need a quicktopic to discuss reads? (not game related I know but my curiosity and etc.)

We have a QT because we're not always together. That way when a thought hits us we can make a note of it and come back to it later. We also use it as a way to type out our posts for the other to read over if needs be. It helps keep game information safe and in one place as well.

Vi not dismissing the Riggs post points directly to neighbors. I'm still not overly swayed by the case however, and just because Vi suddenly has a vessel for talking doesn't mean she is suddenly right. Willing to comprise on an SL lynch, but we still think ace is the man for the noose.

[Crab Canon]

Why are all of us who have strong scum reads on ace having to compromise for the much weaker SL wagon?!?!?!

Amrun is suspicious of ace, Vi was suspicious of ace at one time, Fishy has been suspicious of ace, Junpei is ace's scumbuddy, GNR was on ace earlier, Shift is busy omgusing, Anxiety is in his own world.

Why is ace not the lynch and it's looking like SL will be?

[4nxi3ty]

pls don't belittle me and the same goes for ace who has been doing it all game. i have already stated that i would vote for ace.

[Crab Canon]

Why aren't you voting him now? Saulres is not getting lynched today.

[4nxi3ty]

cause there won't be enough time for claim speculation, i am willing to hammer one of my scumreads.

[Crab Canon]

There won't even be a chance to claim or hammer if you don't put your vote on a viable wagon. And you wonder why I say you are in your own world?

[sottyrulez]

Votes for Ace are so much more awesome than votes not for Ace, please adjust your own vote accordingly.

[4nxi3ty]

fine since sottyrulez asked nicely.

unvote,vote: ace

cc you better not switch your vote to sotty if they both get to L-1

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Asking for a deadline extension

Deadline would only extended because of delays due to replacements per the rules.

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Vote Count 1.18

springlullaby (L-3) – Shift, Vi, Guy_Named_Riggs, Fishythefish
ace5993 (L-3) - sottyrulez, Locke Lamora, Crab Canon, 4nxi3ty
sottyrulez (L-4) - saulres, Junpei, ace5993
Shift (L-5) – Amrun, springlullaby

Not Voting (0)

Deadline: Friday September 30 @ 1:00 PM Eastern

Countdown: (expired on 2011-09-30 13:00:00)

[ace5993]

Yes, I see the difference. SL stated that she likes to lurk a few times. You seem to be implying that the overall volume of SL's posts negatively affects the content of each individual post.

No.

The quicktopic discussion conveyed a feeling that you were trying to blend in too much. I can actually paste some quicktopic posts which convey our thought process on you but I don't really find it necessary.

That's not specific. I'd like to know how and why you came to that conclusion. Also specific posts of mine would be nice.

My wagon is so obviously scum-driven right now it's not even funny. The points people have on me are:

1. The CrabCanon 4nxi3ty/ace slip-up, which was based on misreading my post.
2. Voting springlullaby, even though I was the first to have suspicions of him and had pointed him out as a scumread far before the wagon began. If you see a wagon grow on a scumread I think it's a pretty fair reaction to hop on.
3. Allegedly treating Locke and springlullaby differently. Anyone can see the difference between their ISO's, I mean come on. I'm not sure why Locke is making up bullshit reasons for my differing reads on them. springlullaby had scummy posts, Locke didn't. Saying "this is why I'm not posting much" or "I'm a chronic lurker" isn't particularly scummy but that's what Locke is trying to make it sound like that's what my case revolves around.

I mean seriously, this is just garbage.

[sottyrulez]

My wagon is so obviously scum-driven right now it's not even funny. The points people have on me are:

*Snip*

I mean seriously, this is just garbage.

Sotty you're defending yourself by claiming absolutely everything someone says about you is not only wrong, but scummy. THAT IS SCUMMY.

[Fishythefish]

I'm going to have deadline access problems. Other than

hopefully

a brief period in about 12 hours, I probably won't be on again.

[Vi]

Oh, and Vi, you didn't answer Ace's question.

*looks*
*looks again*
*shrugs*

Why are all of us who have strong scum reads on ace having to compromise for the much weaker SL wagon?!?!?!

*points to own posts*
*points to own posts again*
*points to own posts again*

*tapes ace of clubs to hammer*
*walks away from hammer*
*

confirms vote on springlullaby

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[ace5993]

@Sotty - I don't think the points made against me are scummy (with the possible exception of Locke's), just incredibly poor. What I think is scummy is that many people have jumped

on

these weak points.

Just a precaution - this game

is

no reveal (abilities anyway) so we

must

get a claim before a lynch. With that in mind a wagon needs to build to L-1/L-2 right now. I'm still definitely happiest with sotty for today, there are a couple other people who I have suspicions of but they currently do not have wagons on them.

[Amrun]

VOTE: ace

Getting down to the wire here.

[Vi]

*scowls*

[Junpei]

Okay, I am going to read up on spring and ace soon, and come to a conclusion on which is a more preferable lynch. I don't think sotty is happening.

[Amrun]

*scowls*

Your biggest beef with SL seems to be centered on the (admittedly strange) "reverse chainsaw defense" thing.

Perhaps I'm missing something, but that seems to only be a big issue if GNR is scum with sl, and gnr is supposedly masons with you.

[Vi]

*pulls your knit cap off*

Let's first point out that ace is correct in her posts being contentless prior to appearing. In addition, it's fairly suspect that she's only choosing to enter the arena close to deadline, instead of actually trying to hunt scum. I'm aware that she prefers to lurk, but in Tofu Mafia she was actually candid and a thorn in the side of the scum who I was glad (as scum) to see replaced. This time, it's more likely that she actually is scum.

Now, let's walk through her accusations.
*I am scum because I have refused questions to make my post restriction less of a hassle.

EXCUSE ME? Does it look like I can wax eloquent with this restriction to the extent that you're asking? How, exactly, do you expect me to "explain" myself or answer "why" in any clear way? I'm lucky I have this "out" I'm using now. And are you really going to knock me for not taking such a ridiculously bad post as 54 seriously?

*Guy_Named_Riggs is scum because of a "reversed chainsaw defense" (421) wherein Riggs tries to justify being a lurker and is simultaneously trying to cover himself if springlullaby is lynched and flips Town.

Am I the only person who sees this as transparent horse manure (fine, I'll start the obscenity machine just for this role) bullshit? "Reversed chainsaw defense"? What the hell is that supposed to be? And GNR is trying to self-servedly actively justify HIS OWN lurking in post 421? Even if anyone actually believes this (I don't, and would never have read the post this way), the person believing it wouldn't be Guy_Named_Riggs - the person I would expect to think so strategically would be springlullaby herself.

There's a much easier explanation for GNR 416 - scum asking why a wagon has magically formed on his partner. I mean, unexplained wagons on scum? FUDGE! You can't logically attack what doesn't have a logical basis! Plus it appeared to be the only thing worth commenting on out of everything up until that point. Never mind that springlullaby is now letting herself be talked out of the GNR wagon in favor of Shift.

*Guy_Named_Riggs is "scummier than me [springlullaby]".
Just a reminder, but springlullaby only started moving after four votes came her way. Am I really the only person reading self-preservation into this?

*Vi is scum for "too many 100% fluff posts".
I assure you I've made fewer fluff posts than you while posting six times as often. Your idea of a "useless" post seems to be heavily skewed toward me being scum. But that's where you're going in the end, isn't it?

468 is a bloody PbPA. She gives half a line of recap of what the post was about (unless spinnable), and ends with BAD or GOOD. How the hell are you supposed to form a coherent case from that? You can't. It's fake.

springlullaby is so obviously phony and she's so obviously getting away with it that it's actively making me ill.

masons

*scowls again*

[Crab Canon]

They are neighbors Amrun

[Amrun]

Oh, my b.

So you think GNR is scum, Vi?

[Vi]

Oh, my b.

So you think GNR is scum, Vi?

*poses pensively*

GNR, Fishy, and me now. The suspicions for the formers seemingly only based on association tells

*strikes out "seemingly only"*
*

confirms vote on springlullaby

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