The Children of Húrin Mafia (GREAT REVIVAL)

[MagnaofIllusion]

In case anyone had doubts, faradays comment about Reflexive CPR Doc's basically confirms that MoI is in communication with the seraphs. MoI can you ask them why they chose you to communicate with?

Summarized short answer -

1. Faraday says I'm painfully Town. Mina think's that's a big overstatement but Faraday charmed her with his natural charisma.
2. Mina knew I had extensive game-play experience with all four Seraphs and thus had a good chance to read them.
3. I'm not a complete moron so they trusted I would give out information in a wise manner. (So much for that, huh LB )

[Andrius]

Well, I must have been activated by some other means. Maybe the seraph's ability is for something else. In fact, something else happened to me last night that might be related(I hadn't given it a second thought until now). Rather not say what it is though, I'll know more tomorrow, if it's relevant I'll bring it up again.

Ok well send them my way or something I'd love to have a role.
JUST SAYING.
IT'D BE COOL.
I DONT KNOW ABOUT YOU BUT.

But yes claimed 3rd parties need to claim WinCons.

[Will-o-wisp]

No comment from this head about the criticism your slot is getting for your scummy "He's scum" start of Day post?

Not particularly, no. Should I respond to the criticism? It is mainly 2 people making actual comments about it and 2 people laughing at it. And I happen to agree with the people who are making comments about it. >_>

The only reason I did that is because I switched into BlazBlue and by default I had to ask for an extension and it looked like Plum just gave it to Herodotus.

[Will-o-wisp]

ebwop:

- Oversoul (for my last 2 posts)

[SpyreX]

Now, in princess school, one of the subjects I had to deal with was logic puzzles.

Ohh those knights and knaves. They were nothing but a source of endless frustration.

However, there was one thing I learned really quick: you can never tell a knight from a knave by asking them if they are a knight or a knave.

My daddy bought me a new village for learning that.

The question here is, of course: why are some people apparently missing the point of that? I mean, my assets have never been in the world of books, and even I know better.

[Andrius]

Now, in princess school, one of the subjects I had to deal with was logic puzzles.

Ohh those knights and knaves. They were nothing but a source of endless frustration.

However, there was one thing I learned really quick: you can never tell a knight from a knave by asking them if they are a knight or a knave.

My daddy bought me a new village for learning that.

The question here is, of course: why are some people apparently missing the point of that? I mean, my assets have never been in the world of books, and even I know better.

I was going to say I knew what you were getting at.
But then I didn't.

Asking third parties to claim is now a dumb idea?

[Andrius]

HAHAHAHAHA
CLICKED ON THE PAGE ICON BY MOS' NAME
ALMOST POSTED IN ANOTHER THREAD
HEHEHAHAHA

[SpyreX]

Asking a knave or a knight will always give you the same result.

One can't differentiate that way. Sheesh.

However, this is for another time. For the now, my princessly brain is trying to figure out why when someone says there's one angle in which this dual I dont know my role business can parse out and it doesn't.....

Why the absence of response.

[Andrius]

Ok I don't know if its just because I'm tired or because I'm stupid but I can't parse meaning from the third lines.

[SpyreX]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 6#p3415546

[Andrius]

What am I supposed to be seeing?
Besides my own posting.

[SpyreX]

Sometimes we have to look into our glorious mirror to see

our perfect perfection

our flaws.

[Andrius]

Sometimes we have to look into our glorious mirror to see

our perfect perfection

our flaws.

[SpyreX]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 7#p3478697

The answers, lie in the mists.

Time to try on dresses!

[Furcolow]

He might be SK, but we can force him to kill where we want him to

[Furcolow]

I hope Feysal is town
his claim was shitty, though

[Magister Ludi]

How does Plum use flavor on nightkills in general?

[Feysal]

@Feysal – At this juncture you need to claim your full win condition.

Can't say I would not have seen this coming. I have a list of targets whose death I must bring about, flavor names only. I'm not required to personally kill them all, but I can't let any of them live. The list consists of mostly town I'm sure, but not exclusively, since Glaurung is on it. Beleg was too.

Dollars to donuts it is "Have Feysal kill Thurin (or whatever the main person's name is)" if Furc isn't bullshitting.

For what it matters, I believe Furcolow. His claim of Mîm adds up, and at one point I had a hunch that would be his role based on the flavor talk. Furcolow appeared quite clueless about the Children of Húrin tale, so the fact that he knew who Mîm was stood out, as did his insistence that Mîm could be town-friendly. As far as flavor goes, Mîm offered to share his home with Túrin and his band of outlaws as ransom for his life. It makes sense that he would shift his allegiance to his would-be killer in the game to be spared. Now I see why Furcolow wanted to be targeted by a town vigilante, but I think he was out of luck. With me here, I doubt there is a town killing role in play.

So, it looks like Furcolow is allied to me now. At least I got one good laugh out of this game, if nothing else.

And we know that content free Chronopie was the mafia kill, because?

Who else would have killed him? I targeted Furcolow.

Curiously enough, I almost submitted Chronopie as my kill. Furcolow asking to be killed changed my mind. The fact that Chronopie turned out to be one of my targets is such irony.

[Furcolow]

what's REALLY funny is I was familiar with Mim before the game
I have read the silmarillion, after all, although about ten years ago
I started to read the unfinished tales, but i left them unfinished, because i thought i was a neutral survivor

my role ended up being more like a lover, though

[gandalf5166]

Yeah, Feysal should be left alive.

@MoI: By that logic, vigs should never shoot.

@Andrius: I actually don't think that it could happen again. Once again, I'll get back to you tomorrow with more details, but until then there's not any point in fixating on it.

[MagnaofIllusion]

@MoI: By that logic, vigs should never shoot.

Um, no. If you don't understand the difference between Town wincon controlled kills and Non-Town wincon controlled kills then I can't help you.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Ok .. that was probably a little too snarky. Let me elaborate.

Leashed Serial Killers are never a good idea. Why? They have no long term motivation to actually help Town. Their goal is to survive long enough to achieve their wincondition which does not mesh with Town. So unlike a Town vig they do not have pure motivations. The question becomes … how do you ‘leash’ them. Town’s only threat is basically the promise of a lynch if they do not shoot ‘approved targets’. Since the targets are public the Mafia have full disclosure and can choose to interfere or not (via roleblock / redirect / whatever they have at their disposal). Thus you are certain of having dead Townies when Town directs poorly but no guarantee of dead Mafia when they choose wisely. This situation doesn’t aid Town.

Look at Battle for Olympus as a perfect example. When Gemini was outed as a Serial Killer they promised to shoot as Town directed. What happened instead? We lynched her and halved the number of Non-Town kills. This extended the game allowing Town more time to sort through the jumble of poorly playing Townies (Chesskid / Nacho) and have time to lynch the Hated Townie pre-LYLO.

Without killing Gemini town probably didn’t have time to survive that many mislynches.

The only time you don’t lynch an outed Serial Killer is when you have a guaranteed scum lynch that same day or it is LYLO and lynching a Serial Killer gives scum the win (in which case Town is screwed anyway).

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I hope Feysal is town
his claim was shitty, though

Ok, I know I am going to kick myself for asking but – WTF? You’ve already said that you KNEW he wasn’t a Town Vig. And then he directly claimed 3rd party. And you say this?

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Ok … if there is any other information out there that would indicate a better target (aka Mafia) for lynch it needs to come out soon. Otherwise I really don’t see letting Feysal live with his claim as it is.

[gandalf5166]

That's my point. Feysal looks like he's cooperating with town. We direct him, if he doesn't cooperate then we lynch him. And had you left Gemini alive, she could have killed Nacho for you, lowering the number of days you needed to do the same thing. And yeah, they're likely to only end up killing town, but they're killing town that you were going to lynch anyways.

[MagnaofIllusion]

That's my point. Feysal looks like he's cooperating with town. We direct him, if he doesn't cooperate then we lynch him. And had you left Gemini alive, she could have killed Nacho for you, lowering the number of days you needed to do the same thing. And yeah, they're likely to only end up killing town, but they're killing town that you were going to lynch anyways.

If we had left Gemini alive we probably would have lynched Town anyway so you were trading a SK life for a Town life. That accelerates the speed by which endgame would be reached. Granted there are MANY variables that make forecasting difficult.

I don't leave claimed Serial Killers alive unless you have a guarenteed scum lynch in their place. If you can provide me with one Gandalf I'm happy to listen. Otherwise we are probably done in this round and round.

BTW - Why did you only remember that little detail after both Seraphs said they didn't activate you?

[Empking]

So, Furc are you claiming that by lynching Fey we get rid of two non-town players at the same time?