Imperial Intrigue (Endgame, OUT OF NOWHERE)


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Post Post #775 (ISO) » Fri Sep 30, 2011 4:08 am

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In post 768, AGar wrote:And the apprehensiveness? Probably that Emp was the big PR on your team.

Care to explain the use of
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r here ? Since Empking is dead and was town, are you suggesting Mac Dougall is town or are you suggesting you are not aligned with Empking.

I still need to understand how Empking could be town, SK post fury may have blurry his defense but I am still puzzled by what I pushed for. I am still as bad in D1 as ever.

Can someone post a wall in spoiler on MacDougall including citations and arguments ? That'de be nice. I'd rather not lynch another PR though it's unlikely the Loyalists have PR alive now ...
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Post Post #776 (ISO) » Fri Sep 30, 2011 4:17 am

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Empking wasn't Town..
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It really was all part of my plan...
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Post Post #777 (ISO) » Fri Sep 30, 2011 4:24 am

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The color blue did fool me. My bad. ><
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Post Post #778 (ISO) » Fri Sep 30, 2011 4:25 am

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In post 777, Otolia wrote:The color blue did fool me. My bad. ><


What.
I'm on the same boat as you, he was scum? D:
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Post Post #779 (ISO) » Fri Sep 30, 2011 4:33 am

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@monk Shinki's d1 play was crap. I already explained this. I don't like Kdowns kill at all.

MacDougall is todays lynch.
Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

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Post Post #780 (ISO) » Fri Sep 30, 2011 4:42 am

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Green
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Post Post #781 (ISO) » Fri Sep 30, 2011 4:46 am

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I've been feeling partially guilty for no reason, then.
This is so good to hear.
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Post Post #782 (ISO) » Fri Sep 30, 2011 5:09 am

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In post 779, Nero Cain wrote:@monk Shinki's d1 play was crap. I already explained this. I don't like Kdowns kill at all.

MacDougall is todays lynch.


I agree with all of this, though my read on shinki is a newish town player, while the play isn't stellar it is tentative town rather than tentative scum imo
Shinki wrote:I've been feeling partially guilty for no reason, then.
This is so good to hear.

if you are town don't worry about the way you act just try and piece the jigsaw together. I see you doing this through your posts, you're just a bit more tentative than what I'd like
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Post Post #783 (ISO) » Fri Sep 30, 2011 5:19 am

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Shinki, I still want you to answer the question about the East. :/
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Post Post #784 (ISO) » Fri Sep 30, 2011 5:24 am

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This is Shinki's first game, so she gets a
little
leway. Still could be scum though.
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Post Post #785 (ISO) » Fri Sep 30, 2011 5:34 am

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I could tell you about that, Matt, but right after my post Wraith posted this:

In post 494, Wraith wrote:
Okay this is starting to get ridiculous.

You guys are not going to find out who is what alignment from the flavor. I've either left it totally ambiguous or am outright lying about certain elements to keep roles secret. Do not take this as me being a bastard mod and lying to you about your own roles, I'm just saying that this flavor speculation is getting out of hand and will not solve anything.


If the speculation continues on the scale it's on now then I will move from "ambiguous" to "deliberately deceptive" in my mod flavor, and/or ban paraphrasing of role PM flavor altogether.


So, yeah... discouraged pretty much to continue with the topic after that
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Post Post #786 (ISO) » Fri Sep 30, 2011 5:38 am

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In post 785, Shinki wrote:I could tell you about that, Matt, but right after my post Wraith posted this:

In post 494, Wraith wrote:
Okay this is starting to get ridiculous.

You guys are not going to find out who is what alignment from the flavor. I've either left it totally ambiguous or am outright lying about certain elements to keep roles secret. Do not take this as me being a bastard mod and lying to you about your own roles, I'm just saying that this flavor speculation is getting out of hand and will not solve anything.


If the speculation continues on the scale it's on now then I will move from "ambiguous" to "deliberately deceptive" in my mod flavor, and/or ban paraphrasing of role PM flavor altogether.


So, yeah... discouraged pretty much to continue with the topic after that


I respect that Wraith doesn't want us talking about that, but at the same time you made your post prior to Wraith's and I think clarification of your post is very important. I am sure Wraith would permit you answering a question that could potentially sway a vote. Please and thank you.
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Post Post #787 (ISO) » Fri Sep 30, 2011 5:43 am

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STOP TRYING TO STALL THE MACDOUGAL LYNCH. If Macdougall flips scum this is his buddy.
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Post Post #788 (ISO) » Fri Sep 30, 2011 5:44 am

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In post 787, Nero Cain wrote:STOP TRYING TO STALL THE MACDOUGAL LYNCH. If Macdougall flips scum this is his buddy.

Think what you wish. Just because I am not quick to vote and actually want to see both sides does not make me scum, I'm pretty sure it makes me more town than the players who are voting blindly.
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Post Post #789 (ISO) » Fri Sep 30, 2011 5:46 am

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Sure, if there's no problem I'll gladly answer.

@Mod: Is it ok if I clarify this flavor-related question that I did before your post?
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Post Post #790 (ISO) » Fri Sep 30, 2011 5:58 am

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Well, I'm going to class right now, we continue this by the evening.
And I still want to see StrangerCoug here.
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Post Post #791 (ISO) » Fri Sep 30, 2011 6:06 am

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Okay, I'm going to clarify something and hopefully this will put flavor speculation to rest. Some people got brief and vague mentions of certain flavorful factions in the setting in their role PMs. HOWEVER, this is why you shouldn't speculate based on the flavor - you are probably wrong. If every single one of you knew all the flavor that has been given out, you will still not have the full picture of how things are working. It will not work and you should not rely on flavor speculation at all.
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Post Post #792 (ISO) » Fri Sep 30, 2011 6:17 am

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All right, that is fair enough.
Unvote


I am going to read through one more time and then make a vote.
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Post Post #793 (ISO) » Fri Sep 30, 2011 6:29 am

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Vote: MacDougall

Reason:
773 and 767. Thank you, monk, very helpful posts.
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Post Post #794 (ISO) » Fri Sep 30, 2011 10:05 am

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How fail of you all. Enjoy day 3.
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Post Post #795 (ISO) » Fri Sep 30, 2011 11:13 am

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In post 742, Shinki wrote:Sleepy died, I'll quit )):

Vote: StrangerCoug


Can you tell me about your killing powers, Mr. Scum?


In post 125, Shinki wrote:Apparently I'm a Loyalist to House Argelev, and my win condition is met when all danger to House Argelev and it's loyalists are no longe existant. (paraphrase)


Think before you out yourself as lying by omission.

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Post Post #796 (ISO) » Fri Sep 30, 2011 11:39 am

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MattP wrote:
In post 787, Nero Cain wrote:STOP TRYING TO STALL THE MACDOUGAL LYNCH. If Macdougall flips scum this is his buddy.

Think what you wish. Just because I am not quick to vote and actually want to see both sides does not make me scum, I'm pretty sure it makes me more town than the players who are voting blindly.


Don't worry about it mate, I'm town so you'll look a million bucks.
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Post Post #797 (ISO) » Fri Sep 30, 2011 1:34 pm

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Spoiler: Background
The First Empire


The First Empire, while not the oldest known civilization, is certainly the world's most pivotal. The name originates as being the "First Empire" of the Duran. Since the dawn of time, the Duran - then known as the "Iron Men" - were a collection of warlike tribes known as "klans," related only by race and otherwise constantly warring for dominance. Around 4000 BC, a figure known as Moran "the Eternal" united the klans behind his will and vision and forged an empire across the lands that are now known as The Heartlands and The Oldlands, founding the Valterran Dynasty. The Valterran Primarchs ruled for thousands of years, constantly expanding at the expense of various barbarian tribes. The relentless Duranic legions gave these tribes an ultimatum: Join Or Die. Those who joined were ultimately assimilated into the Empire, many of their traditions and customs actually blending into the Duranic culture as a whole; those who defied the legions were utterly exterminated. The Valterran Dynasty ended when the last of a series of incompetent Primarchs was overthrown in 1600 BC. By that time, the Empire had expanded into the Varannian Penninsula to the south (and to the isle of Katan in the Avalon Sea), to the River Thane in the north, the River Ander in the east, and the River Reik in the west.

The Amorus Dynasty succeeded to the throne after a brief civil war between the
Hause Superior
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yew-keh
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The Empire's most brutal civil war followed. "General-Emperors" were crowned every day as they fought with each other and the nobles for control of the Empire. For six years the civil war was fought, until a brilliant and charmismatic young general named Kaesarian was crowned, and put the Empire on the road to recovery. Yet after only three years of rule the beloved new ruler was assassinated by an unknown faction, and the Empire plunged back into three more years of civil war until Belisarius Sarrius, known as "The Honorable," brokered peace between the warring factions and was declared Primarch by the Conclave. His successor, Valerian "the Ruthless," embarked on a brutal and merciless final subjugations of the Juke, showing no quarter and scorching the earth, kick-starting the millenia-long emnity that the two races would share for each other. In 476 BC, the Empire reached its height - spanning from the River Kolgar in the east to the Arkanian Outback and Etremian Ocean in the west; from the Black Sea in the north and the Troplican Sand Seas in the south. Why is the First Empire so important? Because, so early in the history of the world, the Duran had united the vast majority of the known world under one culture and one government. All other settled civilizations of the time - the Rez city-states, the Bennerian kingdoms, and the far eastern empires - were geographically isolated and even more internally divided.

Some of the greatest works of the Duran were contructed and/or founded during the Sarrius Dynasty. In the Year 0 the Belisarian Calendar that is still used today was instituted. Nevertheless by 18 CE the Sarrius Dynasty fell, victim to the "protection" of the Imperial Guards and the purse strings of disgruntled nobles. Primarchs lived and died on the whims of the Imperial Guard or Imperial Senate. The Vorbakan Dynasty was the last of the First Empire, lasting until its fall in 467 CE. What caused the fall of the First Empire? Decay in society led to decadence and the development of a caste system, dividing "Pureblood" Duran and conquered or assimilated barbarians into different classes of citizen. A caste system is a concept most despised by ancient and modern Duran alike. Reliance of barbarian mercenaries to guard the limitless frontiers ultimately led to various internal revolts among improperly assimilated barbarian cultures - in the 4th century CE, the Juke rebelled in the Great Rising, a wave of religious zealotry that disconnected more than a third of the Empire's territory. The economy was spiralling into ruin as more and more citizens sold themselves as debt-slaves to pay their mountain debts of decadence; slavery being another concept abhorred by the Duran. The fall of the First Empire is seen as tragic by romantics, but it was inevitable and necessary. In its waning years the First Empire had not pride, but hubris. Its richest citizens had not earned their many conforts and thus never felt the need to defend them.


Votecount 2.1


MacDougall
(6)
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AGar, Nero Cain, manho, EtherealCookie, monk, MattP
Shinki
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MacDougall,
MattP
, StrangerCoug
StrangerCoug
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Shinki
PeregrineV
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Magua

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Otolia, whispersilk, Bogre, David Xanatos, tclawren, SodaSpirit17, PeregrineV, vezokpiraka, kdowns

With 19 alive it takes
10
to lynch.

Deadline for today is
October 19, 2011


In the future please bold your votes entirely or I will not count them. (*points at MattP*)

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Post Post #798 (ISO) » Fri Sep 30, 2011 1:49 pm

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In post 795, StrangerCoug wrote:
In post 742, Shinki wrote:Sleepy died, I'll quit )):

Vote: StrangerCoug


Can you tell me about your killing powers, Mr. Scum?


In post 125, Shinki wrote:Apparently I'm a Loyalist to House Argelev, and my win condition is met when all danger to House Argelev and it's loyalists are no longe existant. (paraphrase)


Think before you out yourself as lying by omission.

VOTE: Shinki


What a scummy reply.
Just as I expected from you anyway.
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Post Post #799 (ISO) » Fri Sep 30, 2011 2:00 pm

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Oh, and what excuse you'll try out? Miller? Something else? Give it a try.

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