Mafia 137 - Neruzian Era Mafia SERIAL KILLER WIN!

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/catching up.

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Not particularly enjoying Tomie's constant "I don't like Mastin's scum-read on me~" defense, it reads to me like they're drilling it in our heads that mastin's wrong without actually providing us with some proper content to prove to us why mastin is incorrect.

Mastin, on the other hand, used a lot of IIoA with those early lists by way of throwing a lot of town reads out there without much base. Don't really see scum doing that, however, so I've got a townread on that slot overall.

After this skimming I'm partially comfortable with a hiplop, edmund, or Tomie lynch.

I won't be voting right off the bat -- I want to give the thread a more thorough read beforehand.

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I love it when a good RVS wagon comes together. *lights cigar*

I'm a fan of the "second vote of an RVS wagon" scumtell and believe there to be at least one scum between edmund and Tomie because of it.

Here's the beginning of Tomie's fluff defense. Repeating that you're disappointed doesn't really sit well with me, especially when it doesn't appear as if you're doing much of anything else on top of whining about being a solid player's early scumread. Don't care about your opinion on gut. That's fluff.

The first of Mastin's RVS wagon votes to appear semi-serious is Mal's (the 'when' link above) who takes a stance against Mastin's style of posting like a madman. The vote in and of itself seems scummy as it's beginning to break into the serious realm. Scum want to walk out of RVS and into real voting ASAP, imo, so they can get their first mislynch faster. This vote (which is on page 2) appears to be attempting at just that.

The second of Mastin's RVS wagon votes to appear even more serious is Phoebus', which at the time had zero explination. Something zMuffin unshockingly picks right up on before Mr. Hall Monitor can come in with his reason. Phoebus doesn't seem like a very active poster, but his meta-historic reason to back his vote seems not only contrived, but a strong attempt to sway the town by way of calling out Mastin's overall merit.

Hiplop's Mastin vote also seems a little contrived given the fact that he was LOL'ing at the list for what hiplop feels is an overall ingenuinity of the list itself; in other words, the completely serious vote (which imo officially took us out of RVS) sits in the same territory as Phoebus and Mal's due to it's nature in wishing to rush out of RVS on page 3. Granted, RVS shouldn't exist much longer than it did, but given the fact that this post is hiplop's first real post of content? It seems scum-motivated. Something I think Maxous picks up on with their unexplained vote.

Speaking of which, Maxous is the first to defend Tomie there by saying there's actual scumhunting and not just fluffery in the posts therein. I'd be interested in seeing which points Maxous thinks are Tomie doing said scum-hunting. Not to say it's completely absent, it just isn't as much as I'd like to see given the amount of "lol u wrong bro~" coming from the slot.

Tomie takes no prisoners in linking themself to edmund by way of defending them just four minutes after Bowser makes the post quoted. Nice way to fluff, too, given that Tomie's defending of edmund is a whopping 29 words. Yes, this means something

to me

because they decided to quote Bowser's big ass already-double-quoted post... to reply with a single line? Four minutes later? Why not just use on of ^these and call it a day? Scum fluffery to look town.

Furthermore, their interaction with zMuffin here doesn't appear town-motivated in the slightest. Why do you care about zMuffin's curiosity? Why aren't you more concerned with not "lolderping~" against Mastin's obvious catch in scum by actually presenting a case against Mastin instead of the same interactions with that slot over and over again? zMuffin's response reads town to me, pretty much solidifying my scum-read on Tomie for me.

ITT Torqez random votes

hella late

. I read that vote as pure RVS since it doesn't appear as if Torqez is paying a whole lot of attention to the thread as a whole. He just skimmed, saw a post he didn't like and decided to lay a joke-vote as his first post.

This is only up to page five and a lot of potential scumminess picked up on. Though I still have five more pages to fully interpret, I believe I've found enough reason to lay my vote.

VOTE: Tomie

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Vote: Hiplop

Grey, I still have no meta so you're wrong.

Btw. he's scum.

If I'm incorrect and my vote is on town, I'd love to hear your full case on Hiplop then.

Do note that I've only completely taken in up to page five and given the whole thread a quick skim.

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1

Why did you ask this before you read the entire thread? (he explained already)

2

Also why did you vote before you were finsihed reading?

1] Lightweight reaction fishing question.
2] Because that's my top scumread after those five pages; lo an behold, it's still my top scumread after reading the whole game. I know I told you guys I wouldn't lay a vote until I read the whole thread, so I understand your plight, but after I started to read into it the reactions et cetera were enough to give me a strong enough read to vote on it.

What are the two biggest reasons you have a town read on Tomie?

Why exactly dont you want to explain more?

Because he's already given what looks like his full case in a couple posts I hadn't quite gotten to yet; otherwise, I'd agree with you here.

And to reverse back a page:

His reason being? If it's other than gut, then I don't know what it is. If it's gut, I don't know what to say about it.
My 'I am disappointed~' comments had a reason. Mastin failed to pick it up, so I dropped them.

I'm fairly certain I know his reason behind his vote and strong scum read on you, but my name isn't mastin2 so I don't get the point in you asking me this question.

Having reason for 'derping~' doesn't mean it was a good and non-fluffery thing to do. For shits and giggles though, what was that reason?

Your thought on Mastin?
Other than this question (Yes, it's serious as he was first with a suspicion and players are claiming he was trying to lead us out of the RVS), this logic is full of fail. It starts with taking this vote seriously and it ends with the conclusion of it. Wanting to end the RVS is not scummy. Hello? How else can we scumhunt if we stay in the RVS?

I've already given my thought on mastin2, are you not paying attention?

You should pay attention to my use of words, it'll get you pretty far. Note the word 'seems' I'm not stating that the vote is 100% one way or the other. Wanting to end RVS isn't scummy, correct, but wanting to end it page 2? When not everyone has had time to get a proper vote or post in edge wise?

Seems

like a hasty move in my opinion.

Hello.

There was a reason Mastin got the title 'unabridged'. He would quote lots of posts to take every sentence out of context and comment on it. It's actually a shock he has lots of 'admirers'. Also, have you never seen a policy vote?

If it's a Policy Lynch he's looking for? Then that vote is even worse than I expected. PLs should be saved for posters like andrew94 or Diety Kabuto, not mastin2.

Also, do you always talk down to people or is it just in this game? Add points to your scumminess for garbage rhetorical questioning.

Also, what else do you think Hiplop could have responded to?

Derp question is derp. For the sake of answering it, though, I'll ask you to look at the other posts made in the same time frame as hiplop's posting. Duh?

When an opinion is posted, it's not fluff. Learn your definition.

This is fluff. And still talking down to somebody like you know them. Cracka, please.

Seems

Muffin

first got competition from Toon and now also from

Chk

. Perhaps, he even went to fourth spot...

ITT anyone against Tomie is scum. Toon is Tomie's buss to look town.

I've got another ten or eleven links from previous pages I'd like to discuss, but didn't want to make this post any longer. So that'll come later.

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Mastin, do me a favor and shut them up? Give your

actual

case on Tomie.

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Mastin, do me a favor and shut them up? Give your actual case on Tomie.

I was looking forward to this

I know, right? He's acting like I'm not even here asking him for his case.

Sorry about the delay on my next post, I've been pretty busy trying to patch up some RL issues. It should come soon.

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Bah. Tomie doesn't need a case. Just too obvious.

Here's a deal. Nobody vote Hiplop and all those on (...with the possible exception of Hiraki, since I've given up trying to convince him to go elsewhere ) get off--preferably to Tomie/Edmund, but other suspects (NOT on the list of super-mega-townreads I gave, so no Bowser/Muffin/Maxous/Torquez votes, either!) are fine with me--and after that, I'll build a Tomie case.

So basically you want to puppet master the town and

then

you'll answer what should be a VERY EASY QUESTION?

And I thought *I* was an anti-town player. Christ's sake, dude.

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I'm having a hard time putting two and two together right now, myself. I don't get how he got "hiplop is conftown" on a post talking about a couple scum reads pretty vaguely. How the hell would the mod be able to tell if that post is full of crap or not? Doesn't make a whole hell of a lot of sense to me.

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I don't quite understand hiplop's motivation with this post. It's D1... how is one little "distraction" going to derail the whole town? Oh, wait, it's not. So why the post asking to stop? Doesn't read very town-motivated to me.

Maxous' p.160 is kind of reaching and hardcore defends Tomie in the second quote. I understand that he's waiting for mastin's case on Tomie just like me, but that doesn't mean that two people can't read the thread, look at Tomie's posts, and proceed to get the same read (therefore agreeing with one another) without any visible case in sight. Mastin may very well be mudslinging to see who reacts. It's called reaction fishing; I personally do it pretty constantly (though I've stopped recently, I'm working more on my theory now). Do you think that play style makes mastin more likely to be town or scum? And what was the motivation behind responding to them (in the second quote) like that?

This is why people don't like purely meta-based cases. Pappum, can you provide proof to what you're saying? I don't think hiplop would lolwut without just cause.

Hiraki, I guess I'm the slow guy in the group. Explain how the last half is hypocritical? I don't follow.

When people say they'll be back in 24 and then don't show up? Feels like someone was prod dodging. Do not like.

Fluff fluffity fluff fluff. That and it contradicts the crap out of itself. Guarantee a probability? WELL I GUARANTEE I'LL PROBABLY EAT LUNCH TOMORROW. What's the point?

When Tomie flips scum, I'm headed for edmund. He can thank this post for that. Also this :scumposting:

GREYICE, WHY SO SERIOUS?!?

NINJA'd: Mastin, I didn't say the answer was

easy

-- but your scum read on the slot certainly came with ease. What's the difference?

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The rules are kind of inconclusive.

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Empking, you always scare the shit out of me when you don't post a lot. You scum? >.>

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I know, right? There are a couple others that have been posting about as frequent as he has as well.

lol that you made me check the damn player list to make sure I posted in the right game. >.<

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mastinwagon is garbage. I'm comfortable hopping over to hiplop if I have to, but I'm more confident in Tomiescum.

I'm interested in knowing what these three lies hiplop has spoken are. Definitely.

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I can't believe we have five floaters in this game right now.

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: muffin

Full muffin case, please.

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zMuff, which of the lurkers do you think is most likely to be scum?

Mal, can you give an updated case on hipscum? I'm sure that'd help your inquiry be resolved (save mastin coming in and just saying "HE'S TOWN, DUH").

Maxous, I agree about scum hopping onto the hiplop wagon. Which do you think is most likely to be scum?

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Lurker scum said they'd catch up like

four days ago

...

IGMEOY

Tomie.

UNVOTE: Tomie
VOTE: hiplop

Bowser is a close second place for me, but the lies outlined by Maxous seem quite damning.

MintKitten hasn't been here in ages either.

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Does mastin tippy-toe around issures like this every game? This is getting pretty annoying.

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#1 Hiplop
#2 Bowser
#3 Tomie

More or less. I was heavily suspecting Tomie when I first came into the game, but I've re-read our conversation a couple times and can see some town motivation in it.

UNVOTE: hiplop

This vote was actually just for pressure. Wanted to see if he'd get all "WHY YOU VOTE!?" on me. Contrary to what I said, I don't think Maxous points about his "lies" are all that damning. I've made similar mistakes as town before. Hiplop seems town overall from the interaction.

VOTE: Bowser

THIS GUY on the other hand... I'm working on a case. Expect it sooner than a case from mastin, that's for sure.

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Normally, for a case, I'd break down the person-in-question's ISO post by post and tell you all why it's a crock of hogwash from someone with a scum role PM. This time? I feel like just giving you the meat without all the fat and bones.

Bowser has proven himself scummy by first saying that he doesn't have a good feeling about mastin's reads; in the same post, however, he leaves himself an opening by way of saying that he too has a gut town read on half of mastin's list (which of course he doesn't specify). In the following post, from what looks like mastin's reads and those alone, he votes Tomie with a simple post of "Then [votecode]Tomie[/votecode]" and that's that. This, mind you, is only

two hours

after he previous wishy-washy feelings toward the lists to begin with. Now sure, we could all see that as a pressure vote to see what Tomie does, but to me it reads more like Bowser trying to buddy up and keep mastin's town-read on that slot by way of going for mastin's biggest scum read. He fluffs through two more posts; in the first by quoting edmund's vote against him alongside a previous vote count and gives a single line of how edmund miraculously had just "proven himself as scum." Then, in the very next post, he fluffs with his opinion on how a purely meta case is bad voting and how it's dead. The only other thing he mentions in the post is his reasoning for how edmund confirmed his scumminess, stating that the Bowserwagon is SHIT and that the reason for edmund's vote is, thus, equally shitty. Doesn't go into

how or why

it's SHIT... he just posts that in and of itself. Classic AtE Bowscum. Goes on V/LA (no, I'm not saying that's scummy) and, upon returning, the only thing he's got to say is "nice try" to edmund? THAT'S IT? Focusing on himself instead of, y'know, SCUMHUNTING!? And I'm supposed to think that this slot's not scum? Yeah... no.

My

favorite

part of all is how he asks in post 358 'hey guiez, how is hiplop scum' as if he doesn't see it at all... and then, not thirty posts later, he magically sees hiplop is scum because "no reasoning = scum"? THAT'S IT? The "why is hiplop scum" is obviously facetious and forced if he flip-flops from that to 'OH YEAH I SEE IT WITH THIS NO-REASON-HAVING VOTE RIGHT HERE.' Yeah. Fucking. Right. Fluffs to Tomie, not a big deal but definitely a point to his scumminess as there are several other things he decides to overlook and not comment on. "Upon rereading, hiplop is null" and unvotes. What a load of pure BS that post is... but jumps right back on the hiplop wagon when hiplop does the "Sheep as Scum" thing?

If hiplop truly was a null read, the flip-flop voting on and off and back on wouldn't have happened.

Bowser

is

scum; mastin

is not

correct 100% of the time. Let's lynch Bowser.

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tl;dr you're scum.

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527 earns scum points. I don't read walls. Period.

So I earn scum points because you want to pout about a couple paragraphs? That's retarded. But here you go:

Normally, for a case, I'd break down the person-in-question's ISO post by post and tell you all why it's a crock of hogwash from someone with a scum role PM.

This time? I feel like just giving you the meat without all the fat and bones.

Bowser has proven himself scummy by first saying that he doesn't have a good feeling about mastin's reads; in the same post, however, he leaves himself an opening by way of saying that he too has a gut town read on half of mastin's list (which of course he doesn't specify).

In the following post, from what looks like mastin's reads and those alone, he votes Tomie with a simple post of "Then [votecode]Tomie[/votecode]" and that's that.

This, mind you, is only two hours after he previous wishy-washy feelings toward the lists to begin with.

Now sure, we could all see that as a pressure vote to see what Tomie does, but to me it reads more like Bowser trying to buddy up and keep mastin's town-read on that slot by way of going for mastin's biggest scum read.

He fluffs through two more posts; in the first by quoting edmund's vote against him alongside a previous vote count and gives a single line of how edmund miraculously had just "proven himself as scum."

Then, in the very next post, he fluffs with his opinion on how a purely meta case is bad voting and how it's dead.

The only other thing he mentions in the post is his reasoning for how edmund confirmed his scumminess, stating that the Bowserwagon is SHIT and that the reason for edmund's vote is, thus, equally shitty.

Doesn't go into how or why it's SHIT... he just posts that in and of itself. Classic AtE Bowscum.

Goes on V/LA (no, I'm not saying that's scummy) and, upon returning, the only thing he's got to say is "nice try" to edmund? THAT'S IT? Focusing on himself instead of, y'know, SCUMHUNTING!? And I'm supposed to think that this slot's not scum? Yeah... no.

My favorite part of all is how he asks in post 358 'hey guiez, how is hiplop scum' as if he doesn't see it at all... and then, not thirty posts later, he magically sees hiplop is scum because "no reasoning = scum"? THAT'S IT?

The "why is hiplop scum" is obviously facetious and forced if he flip-flops from that to 'OH YEAH I SEE IT WITH THIS NO-REASON-HAVING VOTE RIGHT HERE.' Yeah. Fucking. Right.

Fluffs to Tomie, not a big deal but definitely a point to his scumminess as there are several other things he decides to overlook and not comment on. "Upon rereading, hiplop is null" and unvotes. What a load of pure BS that post is... but jumps right back on the hiplop wagon when hiplop does the "Sheep as Scum" thing?

If hiplop truly was a null read, the flip-flop voting on and off and back on wouldn't have happened.

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Didn't you even fucking read that post? I said I would provide a reason tomorrow. Scummy

Really? Because:

Nope. hiplop did the fucking "Sheep as Scum" thing.

Vote: hiplop

No you fucking didn't. Try again.

Glad someone else saw the obvOMGUS in that vote. Thanks mastin.

I thought I was going to be without access. That was a precautionary one. I found access not 5 minute after I woke up the afternoon after.

This is completely irrelevant to what I was talking about. You came back and said a single thing about edmund and that was it. No scum hunting, nothing. I could care less about the V/LA's, it's the fact that you're tunneled in defending and mentioning

nothing else

that seems scummy to me.

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ERROR. WRONG QUOTE, CHKFLIP. POST 530 HAS YOUR BREAD.

If half of you won't even fucking listen to mastintown, then town is not going to win this shit. USE YOUR HEADS FOR ONCE.

Except it's not... because that's the post that

I'M

talking about. So... try again. And stop with the excuses; lets see some actual reasons for your hiplop vote.

Better yet, same for the vote for me while you're at it. Besides the obvOMGUS of course.

Also: you don't know how I post, either, so your "chkflipscum making a case" is pure nonsense.

Also also: "Classicmetown" is just as big of nonsense. Can you provide proof for this? While you're at it, provide some scum games where you

don't

happen to do that and I'll show you a game where your play just so happened to be different. Big whoop. You're scum.

I fully agree with Hiraki's last post, too.

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EBWODP: AtE isn't a nulltell when you're constantly trying to do it to derail your own wagon. How about give some

real

reasons to counter my case? Then I'll take you seriously.

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...sure.

UNVOTE: Bowser
VOTE: Toon Fighter

We need a lynch. I'm seeing Toon scum here; he's a close third for me, but it's obvious we're not lynching Tomie('s future replacement). So...

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And Bowser derpderps out of nowhere.

Oh, wait.

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ROFL. Pappum's last post is just... wow. I've seen his town rage and this isn't it. At all.

Unvote; Vote: Pappum's Rat

Vig should blast Toon or Bowser. We'll get the remaining one D2. Skeet skeet.

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CAN WE JUST LYNCH ALREADY?

You're

so

helping the situation, Bowscum. Good job. *golf clap*

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Fine.

Unvote; Vote: Pappum's Ratticate

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D; I read the vote count incorrectly; hopping five times does that to you, I suppose.

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I'm here, and I promise to catch up tomorrow

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UNVOTE: Pappum's Rat
VOTE: Toon Fighter

If anyone has questions about my reads, please feel free to call them out. Until then I'm ignoring all "loluscumcuzuscum" garbage arguments -- especially given the nature of this game, currently.

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Vote:hiplop

Your reactions to mastin's posts were pretty awful. And the "you are killing us both!" thing was just the scummiest thing I saw in this game. We shouldn't hammer him already, though. There is a lot to discuss before N1.

Update your case, please. Hiplop is being seen as generally town; my current read on him is nullishscum.

Enlighten me.

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Sorry I've been gone. Catching up now.

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UNVOTE: Toon Fighter
VOTE: hiplop

The last six pages alone have painted him scum and totally removed my nullishscum read to a pure unadulterated scum read.

Hiplop is L-1

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Amazing fake-hammer, sorg.

...except it doesn't look fake; on the contrary, it looks like opportunistic scum coming in for the hammer with little to no basis. My reaction fish L-1 vote got what I wanted, an amazing town-motivated reaction from nullishscum hiplop.

UNVOTE: hiplop
VOTE: sorgster

I think Toon or sorgster are great picks for today's lynch, followed by Bowser for a close third.

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I think they are working together maxous

zmuffin is right. I was "quoting " that person.

Okay, your first explanation did not make much sense, this one does though

Unvote

Vote Hiplop

I think he is bussing with hiraki

This was hardly two days ago.

You want to try again?

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ROFLCOPTER great OMGUS vote, bro.

I'm not taking credit for what you did, you're just not seeing how my vote played to hiplop's reaction. I'll explain it when I've got more free time.

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A little late to the party, sorry about that. I'll catch up with something spiffy tonight for sure.

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Alright, caught up on the happs of today. If I had to choose between Max and edmund I'd probably choose edmund, but I'm probably not going to wagon-hop at all today. I want to make up for my awfully awful and lazy play at the end of yesterday. I think I can speak for more than myself when I say that it was dragging into the "omgarewereallyseriouslystillonD1" phase and I just wanted to get solid reactions from people. Some will see this as a cop out, but honestly I feel as if my reads are stronger due to my poor town play here. Solid reads forthcoming.

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: Maxous

Claim please.

VOTE: David Xanatos

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Xanatos' Maxous vote looks like shit

Crazy... that's exactly why I voted for him. And will again.

VOTE: David Xanatos

For said vote, poor WIFOM speculation, and deflection, amongst other things.

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So, you're telling me he didn't do the things I'm saying he did?

I agree with your malp and pappums reads, but I have a stronger read on David. Why do you think he's town?

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That's a fair analysis, but I still feel comfortable with my vote since there's also a strong possibility of there being a SK. I guess it's back to re-reading the thread I go.

PEDIT: Who lost their vote today?

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It's definitely an error. My vote was on sorgster at the time and Neruz never removed my name from the TF list. I didn't get a chance to correct him that time.

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Still re-reading. [/blatantproddodge]

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UNVOTE: David Xanatos
VOTE: edmund.angles

Aforementioned reasons and mastin's case. I'd say more but mastin covered (more or less) every edmund post worth covering.

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Are you seeing edmund as town?

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I fully support ^this, especially given that it's Tomie's replacement (we should all remember my stance on Tomie, lol). I'd like to hear more from edmund about mastin's case before I even think about switching my vote again, though.

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edmund: The Muffin vote is horribad (I mean, come on, MUFFIN? The guy's an easier read than a book this game. And town. So very town.), The TF defending, and the constant change in suspicion without ever going back to those suspicions. Makes me feel like you're just throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks with the town.

@NERUZ:

V/LA Friday to Tuesday. Getting shitfaced in the woods.

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Aaaand reaction fish successful. I love that you think I'm stupid, though. Just thought I'd latch on to the dumbest thing mastin said (that you had no retort for, btw) to see if you'd attack me, and not him, for the very same thing. Your weakest vote has actually been the Bowser one.

Weak reads isn't an excuse for your play. Read the thread, strengthen your reads, and proceed to push to lynch.

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Back. Catching up.

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Chkflip: What was your read on mastin at the time of post 265? What about now?

Not going to lie, Mastin is getting really hard to read for me. Overall, however, I think he's town. I don't think scum would be so verbose and blatant tbh. What's your read on him?

Still trying to catch up, sorry guys. Start of college has been whoopin' that ass. Journalism major is a beast. I'm pretty close, though, and I'll have plenty to say very soon.

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UNVOTE: edmund.angles
VOTE: David Xanatos

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I was fully on and agreed with the TF lynch, though, and would've hammered if the mod error had been corrected in time.

My vote flew all over the place D1, unfortunately, because (as previously explained) I was sort of lazy and tired of the really long day with all it's deadline extensions, flakers, etc etc etc.

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I was fully on and agreed with the

TF lynch

, though, and

would've hammered if the mod error had been corrected in time

.

My vote flew all over the place D1, unfortunately, because (as previously explained) I was sort of lazy and tired of the really long day with all it's deadline extensions, flakers, etc etc etc.

So you weren't the second one then since you

would

have hammered given the oppurtunity.

Unvote
Vote chkflip

Originally, I was the second vote on the wagon with heavy suspicions toward Toon. Pay attention.

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I was fully on and agreed with the

TF lynch

, though, and

would've hammered if the mod error had been corrected in time

.

My vote flew all over the place D1, unfortunately, because (as previously explained) I was sort of lazy and tired of the really long day with all it's deadline extensions, flakers, etc etc etc.

So you weren't the second one then since you

would

have hammered given the oppurtunity.

Unvote
Vote chkflip

Originally, I was the second vote on the wagon with heavy suspicions toward Toon. Pay attention.

But you unvoted after, right? Weren't u the one that was mistakenly on the wagon?

Hello loaded question, nice to meet you here.

But seriously, are you trying to pin me as scummy by way of mod mistake? That's what this sounds like.

Whether I unvoted or not, my suspicions were clear and true from the beginning. This is a straw-manning argument at best, guy.

To answer the question: yes, I unvoted. Yes, the mod made the mistake of leaving my name on the wagon. Yes, I didn't say a goddamn word about it because I felt very strongly about Toon-scum and left the error to the person who caused it.

Answer me this: how does that make me scummy at all?

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sorgster

, does the unvote (and reasons I've given therein) make me not town?

Also, you just said that unvoting doesn't make me scummy... but it's not entirely pro-town to have unvoted? So, if I'm reading this correctly, you're voting me on a null-tell?

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Great analysis, Amrun. Though I know {Lewarcher/Phoebus I think it was} didn't post very much, do you think there is merit to strengthen your analysis with an overview of their posts as well?

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Dude. Scum vote-thief? Seriously? You realize how super-boned town would be if that were a scum role? Considering the town flips we know, I highly doubt GreyICE is a scum vote thief unless town has a whole bunch of PRs that are doing damn good at hiding. Please pick one of the bigger wagons so your vote is more productive.

I'd ask the same thing of Muffin (or hell, GreyICE), but... yeah...

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So you're pretty much comfortable with your vote being worthless right? Awesome.

It's obviously either me or David today. A wagon

could

swing somewhere but this town is entirely too lazy and inactive for that to happen. David seems to think his lynch will incriminate me somehow, which I obviously don't follow but whatever. There's nothing I can do about that; however, what I can do is be vocal about votes moving to one of these wagons so a no-lynch doesn't occur.

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Definitely easier. I follow that.

UNVOTE: David Xanatos
VOTE: malpascp

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I've had an on-and-off scum read on sorgster.

As wrong as Mastin could be, I don't think he's scum.

VOTE: David Xanatos

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Zdenek looks the worst from this Amscum flip, imo.

I think sorgster is pretty much conftown from it, too.

VOTE: Zdenek

I have more of a case but my head is killing me right now. Also looking forward to what mastin has to say.

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I follow that logic.

UNVOTE: Zdenek
VOTE: Vezokpiraka

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I really don't like how fast these lynches are lining up. Hopefully this is either the last scum or damn close to it.

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Oh btw. I think there is a stupid SK left.

Kill him too please. He killed too many scum.

It might mastin because we blocked him night 3.

So you think this was a gambit?

Also, are you implying that you don't think there was an SK?

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VOTE: Zdenek. This need not be explained.

What happened to all those super cool things you said you were going to do?

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Okay, well lets play with the fact that it's a gambit. Both sides lost their protectors.

Why was there only one NK last night instead of two?

I'd claim but it's not my turn.

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Claim: Hider

N1 - Muffin
N2 - warriormode
N3 - Didn't use it, I think I forgot. Don't recall. I think this was the speedlynch day that caught me off guard?
N4 - CSL
N5 - GreyICE

IIRC a hider dies if they hide behind scum, right? So that should mean that CSL and GI are conftown.

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lol sorry to say but I don't breadcrumb, I've never been able to do that without being painfully obvious.

Double checked; it's under the [Night] section. I die if I hide behind scum.

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"He never mentions his confirmed innocents."

Why would I do that in any situation except for right now? That makes absolutely no sense to me.

And saying I'm "better than this" is an egregious exaggeration. I appreciate it, but really I'm not that great at this game.

Furthermore, if you think Mastin is the SK, why are you voting someone you think is town? How does what you're doing make any more sense than me not breadcrumbing to your desire?

Saying "I think [HideTarget] is town" every fucking day before hammer? Are you serious? Do you realize how obvious that would become? And do you realize that, if scum (either mafia or the SK) had picked up on that, we'd be closer to LYLO right now?

Come on, dude. I understand my play has been anti-town. It always is. I don't know why. But I've played to the best of my abilities and have gone out of my way to try to 'innocent hunt' as it were. Sorry that wasn't enough for you.

But to lynch me over one of the lying VT's just because I've been anti-town? Seriously?

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How the fuck did I just claim SK?

This is seriously how bad at mafia I am. I have no idea what you guys are talking about.

I hid behind GreyICE because, although he was the only other power role, it seemed a safe place as his vote-stealing hasn't once (under the guise that vezok is telling the truth) stolen scum's vote. So I ran under the assumption that scum would keep him around to steal another townie's vote. How is that logic so terrible that I've all of a sudden "claimed SK"?

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So I could claim my targets and clear them.

How could I catch scum with a counter-claim? Who fucking claims hider as scum?

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What the fuck ever. I'm tired of this retardation.

VOTE: CHKFLIP

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For the record, I've never gotten a cop or hider role PM before this one.

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Obviously I've never been in this situation before, but okay.

I'm totally shit.

Someone fucking hammer me so I can stop reading this shit. Please.

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You're goddamn right I don't want to hear you guys fucking slam me for playing like shit.

YOU'RE HORRI-BAD PLAY MAKES YOU SCUM.

That's the whole fucking case. Seriously? This late in the game and your case is about my piss poor logic?

Fuck that.

UNVOTE: CHKFLIP

Work for it.

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Obviously you've never played a game with me where I mad terrible decisions as a PR.

This is exactly the reason I prefer Vanilla Town roles. All the time.

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For future reference, oh God of Hiders, please tell me what I

should've

done so I know how to properly play the role.

Or just stop your bitching because it isn't getting us anywhere.

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Triple post: don't care.

Why I am flailing? Wouldn't you flail as town's last good power role? Wouldn't you want the ability to say, "hey guys, I could hide behind X tonight to see if they're scum and clear a third person."?

Because I do. I've cleared CSL and GI. My strongest scum-reads are Zd and edmund. I will happily hide behind one of them and, we can confer and agree to it if you'd like.

Hell, we could even NL today so I could prove to you all that I'm the hider.

Or you can lynch the shitty hider. Your choice.

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We'll talk about this postgame for sure, Grey. I've got a lot of respect for you and I'm sorry I flipped out.

I'll hide behind mastin2.

VOTE: edmund.angles

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Oh okay, I follow now. Thanks.

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Well, since I didn't hide last night (by order of mein fuhrer [the admittedly better hider than I] who passed T_T), I'd like to hear what Zdenek has to say before laying a vote down. I think it would be a really risky gambit for the last mafia member to no-kill last night so I'm of the opinion that we only have the SK left to deal with. Unless you think Zdenek (or possibly mastin2 for all I know) thought it would leave more room for reasonable doubt? I really doubt that, though... unless both scums shot the same person?

CSL, what do you think?

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I like this. Trap seems legit and un-forced. Fits your meta, too. Totally comfortable with a Zd lynch. I still want to hear from CSL since he's our other confirmed townie, but I'll leave it up to him to hammer Zd or bring forth a mastin2 case since I really don't see mastinscum at all.

EDIT:

IKR? I actually thought something similar.

Zdenek, do you have an actual case on mastin2?

VOTE: Zdenek

@MOD:

Y U NO PROD CSL?

I did send CSL a PM, give him some time to respond to it, jeez.

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Oh. My. Gawd.

When I replaced in, Jesus, I never thought I'd win. Matter of fact I said to myself, "Fuck, Flip, this is your first third party role EVER. You're fucked." I especially thought I was fucked when lew started running his mouth calling everything I posted scummy. His shot was partially luck, partially me thinking he was scum trying to rope me up. Killed Nanook because he dogged our mod (whom I believe did the very best with what he had). Tried for Xanatos but he got Doc'd (At the time I thought doc'd, jailkept is same difference). Fucking Amrun would've NEVER been lynched, imo, so I got super lucky with that one too. Sorgster was moreso because of his early pressure on me that he dropped and I didn't need that shit coming back on me.

I STILL HAVE NO IDEA HOW I WAS NOT LYNCHED DAY SIX. Which is why GreyICE died, I didn't think I'd fly another day with his beastly self. And then there were four.

If there's a "Shitty Claim That Actually Somehow By MIRACLE Worked" award, I think that one would be better. =P

Thanks Neruz for trecking through the bullshit of not having replacements. Thanks town for the win. And thanks scum for not killing me, though I'll admit I purposefully leave myself a little scummy so I'm not nightkilled.

Now I'll return to doing my Ace Venture impersonation. "YES! YES! CAN YOU -- FEEL -- THAT. YES!"

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Muffin didn't hit scum. I hit both those mofos.

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Well that's what I get for not reading, lol.

ITT Neruz thinks I have a stronger voice than I actually do. xD

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If anyone has time, please sign up for my large normal "Rolling In The Deep."

Spoiler alert: Adele dies N0. xD

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