Double Vote Mafia -Mini 1239- Over

[AurorusVox]

I don't understand why you're unvoting Friend rather than Robotnick.

[Whiskers]

I'd like the posts and case on my original scumminess, please.

Also, Rainbowdash, that's wifom and scummy for you to defend me using it. (that said, I don't think you & nin would have bussed, whern it would have been much easier to not lynch your buddy and lynch two townies (AV(may be a townie) and another-- likely me) instead.)

[preedit]
I too, do not understand that thing.

[AurorusVox]

Whiskers: the point of your original scumminess was the fact that you said I was scummy but then voted elsewhere. That's basically it. The rest is all associative tells with Nintendo. Then again my ISO isn't forthcoming on detail it seems, so I may have to re-read you both. All I know is that in the back of my mind is a little lemon screaming "WHISKERS IS SCUM WITH NINTENDO"

[Whiskers]

Whiskers: the point of your original scumminess was the fact that you said I was scummy but then voted elsewhere. That's basically it.

WHAT. WHY WOULD I DO THAT?!

I will not ISO myself to find out what the fuck could have happened.

[Whiskers]

Nopony Special! Why are you changing your votes around so much?
Unvote: ...Idr.

Vote: Nobody Special
Vote: Killer Jester

1: For lurking and changing votes without explanation.
2: Same reasons as before.
Also, AV is acting scummy, why?

Didn't say you were scum, necessarily. Only have two votes. Did vote you later, when I had better reasoning.

Also, a reason somepony thought I was scummy was the bit at the very top of the post, asking NS why he was changing his votes. I don't know who I was talking to or If I really thought NS was changing his votes around.

Looking back, I don't know what my suspicion on you was from, but it was a minor suspicion-- less suspicious than, say, my reason for NS; lurking and changing votes around with out explanation.

Your current case on me is an old OMGUS? In each game we have a certain number of votes and then we vote for our favorites. You weren't one of them, then.

[AurorusVox]

Nopony Special! Why are you changing your votes around so much?
Unvote: ...Idr.

Vote: Nobody Special
Vote: Killer Jester

1: For lurking and changing votes without explanation.
2: Same reasons as before.
Also, AV is acting scummy, why?

This was the post in question.
TBH you said it's because you found the others scummier. I was probably just getting tunnelled in on the part about me being scummy but you not voting me without actually reading the rest of the post.

Happy with my votes where they are until I can be bothered to re-read Whiskers/Nin interactions.

[AurorusVox]

Ninja'd by your explanation.
I reached the same conclusion independently.

[Rainbowdash]

I don't understand why you're unvoting Friend rather than Robotnick.

Slow the game a bit here and keep discussion spread out to many ponies. Still would be happy with the Friend lynch, and im pretty sure getting rid of those three leaves at most on scum left.

Not wanting somepony to come in and quicklynch this one or anything like that.

[Hiraki]

Hiraki, who's nintendo's buddy?

I am like stupified.

Like if the nintendo wagon died, he'd be numero uno townie, unfortunately. gj there self-hammering.

Uh I can agree with friend, but not Robot.

Vote: Friend

I don't see how AV is in this "all-mighty town group"(intense exaggeration required)

so

Vote: AV

[Friend Mairsil]

ok sweet now i have something to go off of. from what ive gathered so far it seems i will most likely be lynched today. which is fine just so long as Dash is right up with me. i dont trust you dash. how can you not make a case until tomorrow? if i had to call a scum team it would be Dash for her interactions with alara yesterday, and also for unvoting me when my lynch is what she's actually pushing for, Voidedmafia cuz of his defense of dash in twilight (it wasnt necessary), and cuz of how quickly he jumped on my wagon. those are my two top picks.

[Hiraki]

how can you not make a case until tomorrow?

Did I read that correctly?

[Friend Mairsil]

yes you did. true i said the same thing but i also had a reason. Dash seems to have all the ammo she needs to make one so i dont understand how she cant.

[Hiraki]

HMM.

I WONDER.

MAYBE PEOPLE HAVE THESE THINGS CALLED LIVES.

NEVER.

[Rainbowdash]

I don't see how AV is in this "all-mighty town group"(intense exaggeration required)

Nintendo was one of the ponies that AV was trying to get lynched with him, so probably town. Plus nintendo parked himself on AV for most of the day. I like the move to nintendo from AV. Just reading him as town up and down right now.

@Friend - Made a case on you already. Go respond or get lynched or whatever floats your boat.

Anyways.

unvote all
Vote Robot
Vote Friend
FoS VM
FoS Hiraki

Im calling that list as the game.

AV is town
KJ is prob town
NS is prob town
Whiskers is prob town
Christine is lean town

For Robot - The pony took a lot of weak stances yesterday, really only pushing hard on a couple of the slight possibility lynches. Then like I said, he calls nintendo somepony who was actively scumhunting? Half the case

against

that pony was that he was

NOT

scumhunting.

Now he is trying to jump on what I think is the NS mislynch, mostly for attacking me. Heck I was on the recieving end of that attack and I dont think NS is scummy for it, just was really misguided/derpy for making it.

Then today, he is way more interested with why I am attacking him instead of giving reasoning behind the Friend or NS votes.

Oh and if Robot is scum, lynch VM. Call it a hunch.

[ThAdmiral]

Vote count

AurorusVox - 1 (Hiraki)
Voidedmafia
Christine
Robotnick2 - 1 (Rainbowdash)
killerjester
Friend Mairsil - 5 (Voidedmafia, Robotnick2, AurorusVox, Hiraki, Rainbowdash)
Hiraki
Whiskers
Rainbowdash
Nobody Special - 1 (Voidedmafia, Robotnick2, AurorusVox)

Not voting - Christine, Killerjester, Friend Marisil, Whiskers, Nobody Special

Friend Marisil is -1

[Rainbowdash]

unvote all

I would like to get our double lynch today

[killerjester]

if i had to call a scum team it would be Dash for her interactions with alara yesterday

What do you mean by this?

I don't see how AV is in this "all-mighty town group"(intense exaggeration required)

so

Vote: AV

What's not to get? AV wanted us to

double hammer

him and nintendo yesterday. There was a very likely chance of that happening in my opinion.

[Rainbowdash]

So, can we get that awesome robot wagon?



Pleaseee?

Or at least somepony trying to explain why NS is scum here, or even why robot is town?

[Voidedmafia]

Voidedmafia cuz of his defense of dash in twilight (it wasnt necessary),

That word. It is not used how you should be using it.

A.) I was answering a question as to why RD had a separate votecount.
B.) Said answer did not (or should not have) defended RD in any way, though if I remember the post in question, I might've added in my own two cents about why I agree with her.

and cuz of how quickly he jumped on my wagon.

It's a wagon I like, I like sheeping RD, and the case against you was explained enough in my eyes that I didn't think I could add anything to it. Simple.

So, can we get that awesome robot wagon?

nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnope.

Pleaseee?

No.

Or at least somepony trying to explain why NS is scum here, or even why robot is town?

Robot is town cuz of his opening post as well as his posts today. Yes, the part about saying Nin's scumhunting is rather...eh, disappointing, for lack of a better word, but that alone isn't enough to make me consider him as scum.

NS is scum cuz of his Mega-Whiskers-tunneling. Even got a post outlining how much he was tunneling, if you want me to link it.

Also, why lynch me if robot scumflips?

[Robotnick2]

For Robot - The pony took a lot of weak stances yesterday, really only pushing hard on a couple of the slight possibility lynches.

I posted what I read...

Then like I said, he calls nintendo somepony who was actively scumhunting? Half the case

against

that pony was that he was

NOT

scumhunting.

Having re-read his iso, I do actually concede that point. Not entirely sure what I was thinking in my read of him.

Now he is trying to jump on what I think is the NS mislynch, mostly for attacking me. Heck I was on the recieving end of that attack and I dont think NS is scummy for it, just was really misguided/derpy for making it.

I'm not entirely sure I understand what you're trying to say here. Are you saying that "I think that you're voting him based on an action that I don't think was scummy, so I'm gonna vote you"?

Then today, he is way more interested with why I am attacking him instead of giving reasoning behind the Friend or NS votes.

I gave my reasoning in my read post. I ALSO stated, and I quote, "If anyone wants reasoning on a specific point, just let me know."

Friend Marisel

For the record, my vote of Friend is as follows.

I will put any questions I have for Friend in bold.

(And yes, this is going to be a VM-style post analysis. Sorry.);

Posts 0 and 1 of his ISO are fluff, nothing particulary scummy there.

Post 2: RVS

Post 3: A rather intriguing question over why Alnara voted Malpascp instead of him. Not scummy in itself, but then he

votes Alnara

over it. This almost seems like he's trying to start some sort of wagon over a mountain made of a molehill. Very strange.

Post 4: He basically calls everyone but NS scum/scummy. And then he unvotes Hiraki/Alnara.

So what was the point in voting Alnara, one post before?

Post 5: He deflects the question from post #128 (Killerjester asks, "What is your stance on the players you've formed opinions on so far?). Also states that, and I quote, "i am willing to bet at least one of them is scum. not sure who tho." Yet everything he listed the post before are scumtells (overdefensivness, twisting words, et.c). So

what qualifies as a scumtell to you?

Post 6: Has no real tells in it, although I'm interested as to

why he thinks he's justified his lack of posting

. There isn't a post detailing this.

Post 7: He votes Whiskers for a placeholder, fair enough. No tells at this point, however a later post reveals a scumtell.

Post 8: He says he finds Whiskers scummy for "protecting someone he/she shouldnt care about". So...

defending someone you see as town/pointing out errors in someone else's arguement is scummy?

Post 9: He makes a good point, no real tells from it.

Post 10: I disagree with, but there's no tells in it.

Posts 11, 12 and 13 are fluff. 14 has no tells. 15 is again fluff.

Post 16: He states that he "cant get a read on either of [AV or Whiskers]", but if he has no reads, why is he voting them? Oh wait, because they're arguing, as explained...

Post 17: ...here. Wait, no, he's voting because AV and Nintendo were arguing, and because Whiskers was defending Nintendo. But surely if, as he said himself, "when people get into the type of argument [AV] and NIN did one tends to be scum", wouldn't it make more sense to vote Nintendo instead of Whiskers?

Post 18: Major scumslip here. He claims that the original reason, in Post 7, for voting Whiskers was because s/he was defending Nintendo? Except, at the point when he made the vote,

Whiskers hadn't started defending yet

, only starting to do so

after

Post 7. He even gave the reason IN Post 7 as a placeholder vote.

Care to explain?

Post 19: Says that originally his primary vote was AV, but has since changed to Whiskers, giving the reason "nothing is sitting well with what she's saying.
".

Could you also clarify this please?

Post 20 is fluff.

Post 21: Perhaps I should clear some ambiguity. To my mind, when Rainbowdash said "I'll make a case tomorrow" or something along those lines, s/he meant real-time tomorrow, not game-time tomorrow. No tells from this post though.

And Post 22 is fluff.

Is that enough of a case for you, Rainbow?

[Whiskers]

#18: Her vote on me was "a placeholder," so the "original reason" that she

kept

it on me would have been that, and would have been at some point between when she voted me (randomly) and when she claimed that was the reason.

Other than that, I <3 cases against Friend Maresil.

[Robotnick2]

Well actually, Friend explicitly states that his

original

vote was because you were defending Nintendo, in these two posts here;

@whiskers - my place holder vote was a reasoned vote as explained in-between those two posts (post 323.) the reasoning simply wasnt stated in the original post as it really wasnt needed, but was asked for.

im leaning towards whiskers because he/she (not sure which) is protecting someone he/she shouldnt care about. hell nintendo defended himself well enough from what ive seen. whiskers shouldnt need to help, but yet there it is as bright as day. just my take on things. so both my votes stay where they are.

[Whiskers]

Good catch.

[Rainbowdash]

KJ is probably town for this post

Maybe it's reverse psychology, but AVox seems way too eager to lynch himself when there's a very strong possibility that it will happen - with the double hammer. I'm really doubting that scum would support the 1 for 1 idea in this situation, and it definitely seems to come from a town perspective.

UNVOTE: Voided
VOTE: nintendoaddict

AV is probably town for 90% of the posts from him and nintento

NS leans town for this chain

I have played with many players for whom English is a hindrance, because it's not their native language. This is a game of text, of argument, of debate. It helps to have a facility with the language in which you are arguing.

Thus the question. I believe it would shed some light on whether Whiskers is deliberately avoiding certain things, or whether certain things said could be either a scumslip or an innocent language-slip.

I'm not impressed by Whiskers' arrogance in not answering a simple question.

Unvote, unvote

Vote: Whiskers
Vote AurorusVox

I need to re-examine AV. Although Whiskers' arrogance could conceivably include strong bussing.

Unvote Hiraki, Vote NS

Your still pushing for that answer.

FoS: nintendoaddict

And, nintendo, don't twist my words. It's the arrogance, and the avoidance of a simple question that makes me think she's scum.

No, you said it looked like you weren't getting an answer, therefore you fully believe Whiskers is scum. How did I twist your words exactly?

Does anypony have a problem with me calling those ponies town?

At least one scum in (Friend/Hiraki/NS/Whiskers/Robot)
Probably exactly one in (Whiskers/NS/Friend)
At most one (Christine/VM/Whiskers)

Thinking more or less that. As I dont think NS-Friend works too well as partners, im against that double lynch. Also since I think NS is more likely town then not. Just this play is much more active then his scum play I have looked at.

Vote Friend
Vote Hiraki

Back to L-1

[AurorusVox]

Who was it who thought Rainbowdash was scum?

Whoever it is, you're an idiot.
This is most definitely a town post.