Mini 1243: Magician Mafia (Game Over)

[saulres]

Can Vi and GNR talk during the day?

[Amrun]

Vi didn't explicitly state this but I believe his theory is that sotty was vigged and scum with GNR shot him, hence only one kill.

Can you explain this a little further?


At this point, GNR seems like a fairly solid wagon.

I'd still be happy to see Junpei strung up, though I'm having trouble determining if his theory is something he believes in SO STRONGLY that it could conceivably come from town. It seems more like a crutch to not contribute anything useful, to me.

[ace5993]

@Amrun - Obviously if he believes GNR to be a BP and scum, there must be a non-scum killing source. Where's the most obvious place for a scumkill that would be blocked? Yeah.

[Locke Lamora]

Saulres: have you looked at any of GNR's past games?

I've glanced at them. Why?

What did you make of them relative to his play here?

Vi: can you confirm that what Ace suggests is your theory is actually your theory? If it is, there must be something I'm missing.

Ace: can you describe exactly why you thought this might prove anything about either Vi or GNR's alignments?

[Amrun]

@Amrun - Obviously if he believes GNR to be a BP and scum, there must be a non-scum killing source. Where's the most obvious place for a scumkill that would be blocked? Yeah.

Uh, there's a glaring flaw here.

If GNR were scum, he would advise his scumteam not to shoot the player he knows to be bp...

[saulres]

There's more than just that that's wrong with it.

I'll discuss more after my question has been answered by Ace, Vi, or GNR.

[ace5993]

@saulres - Yes, almost positive.

Ace: can you describe exactly why you thought this might prove anything about either Vi or GNR's alignments?

Yes, my first thought was that of course is GNR is fishing to see whether or not Vi was a bulletproof. Which is obviously incredibly scummy. But my problem is: why is Vi continuing to push a case on a bulletproof when there was only one kill last night? His theory checks out but I personally find no reason to suspect sotty was anything other than a scum kill. I suppose that because he was bulletproof and GNR was trying to figure it out it was fairly logical for scum to test this? As I say, Vi's theory is based on the fact that there is a town vig (or less likely a serial killer).

Now apparently GNR claimed to Vi

before

I neighborized Vi, so my initial thought was that Vi was simply copying his ability from what GNR had said, and wasn't actually bulletproof. Unfortunately this doesn't actually make sense for flavor reasons, after a bit of research it was somewhat obvious that they should both have the ability. This is what triggered the switch from "if there's a town vig Vi is probably scum" to "if there's a town vig Vi is confirmed town", since a bulletproof scum with no killings outside the scumkill is impossible.

What I'm currently thinking is that since they are both virtually confirmed to be bulletproof, one of them very likely is scum, or else scum would have to be really heavily powered. Also Vi isn't making his theory on GNR up on the fly because he told me that he was pretty sure there was a vig long before he revealed anything about either of them being bulletproof or even said that he had been doing anything really sketchy in the QT.

So I now tend to like Vi's case I posted in #698.

[Amrun]

@Amrun - Obviously if he believes GNR to be a BP and scum, there must be a non-scum killing source. Where's the most obvious place for a scumkill that would be blocked? Yeah.

Uh, there's a glaring flaw here.

If GNR were scum, he would advise his scumteam not to shoot the player he knows to be bp...

[saulres]

@saulres - Yes, almost positive.

That "almost" says to me you don't know.

Vi or GNR

: Can you talk during the day?

[4nxi3ty]

unvote,vote: ace

name claim?

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Vote Count 2.4

ace5993 (L-3) - Crab Canon, Locke Lamora, 4nxi3ty
Guy_Named_Riggs (L-4) – Vi, ace5993
4nxi3ty (L-5) - Junpei

Not Voting (5) - Shift, Fishythefish, Amrun, Guy_Named_Riggs, saulres

Deadline: Sunday October 16 @ 2:00 PM Eastern
Countdown: (expired on 2011-10-16 14:00:00)

[Vi]

Vi, I think you're the one not participating. I have NO IDEA what is going on in your mind right now.

*pulls horseshoe from shoe*
*tosses horseshoe away, left with no "u"*
*continues passing notes to ace5993*

From what I can gather, Vi is saying that ace is town because he is active and can post her thoughts in thread.

*leaves placeholder for .gif of Rainbow Dash shaking head*

Can Vi and GNR talk during the day?

*nods*

I'll discuss more after my question has been answered by Ace, Vi, or GNR.

*nods again*

Vi or GNR

: Can you talk during the day?

*nods again again*

Vi: can you confirm that what Ace suggests is your theory is actually your theory?

*nods*

[Amrun]

You think GNR-scum, knowing you are bp, shot you at night?

That's really what you think, Vi?

[4nxi3ty]

vi, i have two different theories of why your playing this out. i'll see where this goes but don't let this become a repeat of yesterday.

[Vi]

You think GNR-scum, knowing you are bp, shot you at night?

That's really what you think, Vi?

*shakes head*

And THAT is why

I'm wondering if

sottyrulez was vigged.

i'll see where this goes but don't let this become a repeat of yesterday.

*brings in TV*
*shows

BULLSHIT!

episode about psychic activity*

[Vi]

*rereads*

Vi: can you confirm that what Ace suggests is your theory is actually your theory?

*holds out one hand*

Vi didn't explicitly state this but I believe his theory is that sotty was vigged and scum with GNR shot him, hence only one kill.

*holds out other hand*

And THAT is why I'm wondering if sottyrulez was vigged. There are clandestine ways of blocking kills running around.

*turns first hand over*

*rereads this post*
*thinks*

[4nxi3ty]

srry but i am going to have to clear this up.

do you think i am scum?

[Vi]

srry but i am going to have to clear this up.

do you think i am scum?

*shakes head*

*gives piece of paper to ace*

[4nxi3ty]

okay carry on than.

amrun, what do you think of there being three different neighbors flavourwise?

[Amrun]

I think Penn and Teller make perfect sense as a neighborhood, so I don't really care, tbh.

[4nxi3ty]

yeah but i don't really see a third magician having a neighbour ability.

[Vi]

You're welcome to believe what you want about my/Riggs'/ace's alignments, but the roles are as claimed.

[saulres]

On which game days did the QT posts in 698 take place?

[Amrun]

yeah but i don't really see a third magician having a neighbour ability.

Yeah, so what's your alternative explanation?

This is silly.


Actually, I think it might be good for the vig to claim now. If he does (and exists), we could possibly confirm gnr as town.

Idk though. Still weighing it out.

[4nxi3ty]

well i would rather have a name claim from ace, the whole one-shot nighttime neighborizer is vastly different than two daytime neighbours.