Mini 1247- Auction Mafia: Abandoned

[GreyICE]

Goddamn it.

He was in my final three for shot (BV310, Sorg, Emp). I finally decided Emp was the right one -_-

Sorry Magua.

Vote: Sorgster

Also Voided offered to trade control of his 25% NK to me in return for him controlling my 100% NK immediately before deadline yesterday. I obviously wasn't interested, but it makes me wonder how likely it was he forgot about the 25% NK.

[bv310]

Worth a test, but we don't even know for sure if the scum have a nightkill. Something to think about before we go rushing.

[PeregrineV]

I used busdriver last night and re-directed actions on Magua to another player.

[sorgster]

That's all I wanted to know.

sorgster is mafia then. He was roleblocked last Night.

1. There are more than one scum. More than any one of them could have done the killing action.
2. Scum may need to be able to buy the powerups to use the actions.
3.Scum could have targeted empking as well.
4.Scum could have attacked whoever bought bulletproof.
5.Who was protected by the protect action? They could have been a target.

[Lurconis]

That's all I wanted to know.

sorgster is mafia then. He was roleblocked last Night.

How so?

@Grey why did you target emp?

[GreyICE]

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p3460948
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p3462886
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p3462931
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p3478131

His posts were terrible.

[GreyICE]

That's all I wanted to know.

sorgster is mafia then. He was roleblocked last Night.

1. There are more than one scum. More than any one of them could have done the killing action.
2. Scum may need to be able to buy the powerups to use the actions.
3.Scum could have targeted empking as well.
4.Scum could have attacked whoever bought bulletproof.
5.Who was protected by the protect action? They could have been a target.

1) -_-
2) Unlikely given setup
3) No
4) No
5) Emphatically not

Scumclaim, lynch.

[sorgster]

Before you guys lynch me, as getting roleblocked and one attack means they're scum ignoring stuff about doctor/protect/bulletproof/etc. Give me a few minutes to state my last reads on certain players.

[DeathRowKitty]

Don't worry, I haven't forgotten about this game! I was going to say I'd catch up on it later, but it looks like there's not really much to catch up on.

So my catching up consists of:

-Haiiii GreyICE!~~~
-Makes a lot of sense now why sorgster opened up the day with a vote on me for being likely to kill Empking (the missing nightkill was fresh on his mind). Of course it's also possible scum don't have a nightkill, but that seems really badly balanced regardless of the number of scum (3 scum would be underpowered; 4 scum could buy the kill often enough to be overpowered). Waiting for him to make another post before probably voting him etc etc.

[sorgster]

Protect, bulletproof, lying magua(whoops guys, made a mistake after lynch), no nk, and both could have targeted the same guy or bus drive could have been used on me and someone else.

[DeathRowKitty]

Okay, well that wasn't exactly the list of reads you promised. You already said you were giving one and I want to see it >: (

Of those other explanations you gave, which do you think is the most likely?

[sorgster]

I forgot about the reads, will do them soon. Bus drive may be most likely I think. They could have either changed bulletproof with target, protected person with target,etc.

[Thestatusquo]

auction phase 2 is over. Winning bids are:

100% Night kill: 5
100% investigate : 6
roleblock: 5
Busdriver: 4
25% nightkill: 2

It is now day 2.

[Lurconis]

That's all I wanted to know.

sorgster is mafia then. He was roleblocked last Night.

How does sorgster being roleblocked mean he is scum?

[bv310]

Damn, that nightkill went cheap.

vote: Sorgster

I want to see those reads, mister.

[hiplop]

VOTE: sorg

[sorgster]

Not going to say much reasons or elaborate for these reads then:

Town
magua, no scum would say surescum on a town so quickly
ss17-gets investigate, confirmed bv as town, post 65 makes him seem like trying to act town however
bv-confirmed by ss but ss and/or bv could still be scum.
lurconis-found something that could be a scumslip in #176
peregrine-gut to me mostly I guess
Null
Hiplop-played 2 games with him before, both finished, he was vt and scum in them,getting null read on him still
voided-#341 says he forgot to shoot(scum forgetting to use ability, maybe that's why there was only 1 nk),leaning scum towards him
klazam-posted very very little
Scum
Greyice-replaced Daphne,quickbandwagoning of deathrow seems scummy
shanba-never voted yet, tried to keep prices low in first auction phase(scum trying to keep items for themselves potentially),#39 seems scummy to me

[GreyICE]

100% night kill must be claimed now, or scum won it.

[bv310]

Not going to say much reasons or elaborate for these reads then:

Town
magua, no scum would say surescum on a town so quickly
ss17-gets investigate, confirmed bv as town, post 65 makes him seem like trying to act town however
bv-confirmed by ss but ss and/or bv could still be scum.
lurconis-found something that could be a scumslip in #176
peregrine-gut to me mostly I guess
Null
Hiplop-played 2 games with him before, both finished, he was vt and scum in them,getting null read on him still
voided-#341 says he forgot to shoot(scum forgetting to use ability, maybe that's why there was only 1 nk),leaning scum towards him
klazam-posted very very little
Scum
Greyice-replaced Daphne,quickbandwagoning of deathrow seems scummy
shanba-never voted yet, tried to keep prices low in first auction phase(scum trying to keep items for themselves potentially),#39 seems scummy to me

You're really committed to getting yourself lynched eh? If you're Town, then this is literally the most anti-Town thing you could have posted. Not giving reasons means that we don't get to look at those tomorrow or any subsequent day.

[Lurconis]

I feel like I am missing something obvious here can someone please explain how his being roleblocked implies he is scum?

[sorgster]

Not going to say

many

reasons or elaborate for these reads then:

Town
magua, no scum would say surescum on a town so quickly
ss17-gets investigate, confirmed bv as town, post 65 makes him seem like trying to act town however
bv-confirmed by ss but ss and/or bv could still be scum.
lurconis-found something that could be a scumslip in #176
peregrine-gut to me mostly I guess
Null
Hiplop-played 2 games with him before, both finished, he was vt and scum in them,getting null read on him still
voided-#341 says he forgot to shoot(scum forgetting to use ability, maybe that's why there was only 1 nk),leaning scum towards him
klazam-posted very very little
Scum
Greyice-replaced Daphne,quickbandwagoning of deathrow seems scummy
shanba-never voted yet, tried to keep prices low in first auction phase(scum trying to keep items for themselves potentially),#39 seems scummy to me

You're really committed to getting yourself lynched eh? If you're Town, then this is literally the most a

nti-Town thing you could have posted. Not giving reasons

means that we don't get to look at those tomorrow or any subsequent day.

If you look, there is a REASON for every SINGLE ONE. Read the whole thing first. I said I'm not going to give MANY reasons not no reasons.

[sorgster]

I feel like I am missing something obvious here can someone please explain how his being roleblocked implies he is scum?

According to most people here scum have a nightkill(NOT A FACT) and since I was roleblocked, it must have been me. Everyone completely forget about Bus driver,protect,bulletproof,etc.

[Magua]

How does sorgster being roleblocked mean he is scum?

Counterquestion: Who do you think is scum?

Elaboration: It's not 100%-slam-dunk-mod-confirmed-cop-has-a-guilty-on-him scum, but it's pretty close. It is mod confirmed that sorgster got roleblocked, and it is mod confirmed that the bus driver was not involved.

So here's how it works:
- You buy an ability, such as Roleblocker, during the Auction phase.
- Someone gets

lynched

modkilled for not understanding basic site rules
- In the Bargain phase, you strike up a conversation with them via PM and offer to trade your ability (Roleblocker, in this case) to them with the caveat that they must target a specific person (in this case, sorgster).
- ???
- Mod confirmed profit.

So yesterday I did this with Peregrine: I traded my Roleblocker, with the caveat that it must target sorgster, for his Bus Driver, with the caveat that it must target (two people who will not be specified at this time). Both of these happenings are mod-confirmed to both myself and Peregrine.

So, jumping back to sorgster:
- It could've been mafia shot whoever had bulletproof or whoever was Doctor'ed. This is certainly a possibility.
- I don't really see it as likely that mafia don't have a Night-kill. If, in fact, they don't have a Night-kill, then that means that uncledaphne has to be mafia, and it means that we should be able to quickly wrap this game up by forcing people to claim their bids tomorrow, so I'm willing to let this one slide. (Side note: sorgster was 100% sure that "The mafia have an NK" yesterday.)

Finally, sorgster's just been all around scummy. Voting me for being the first to vote when this game should have no RVS, voting daphne for essentially playstyle reasons.

VOTE: sorgster

Whoever used the 100% Investigation yesterday should claim it.
I'd really like whoever has the Night-kill, the Roleblocker, and the Bus Driver to claim.
Protection/Investigation/Bulletproof winners should stay quiet.

[bv310]

unvote

Too many votes at once. We're not doing a quicklynch D2

[Shanba]

Did we ever know who bought the 100% nightkill day 1?

Sorgster is pretty scummy even regardless of the roleblocking. The roleblocking makes it distinctly more likely that he's scum overall, too. His vote on the uncledaphne wagon was awful, his first comment today is abysmal too. He also participated in the ridiculous bidding war on the nightkill. He's probably scum.