Trow, I've already actually addressed most of the things you've said. And nothing above actually contains scum points. And even if Maruchan/Cephrir is confirmed scum (there's still the possibility that Maruchan/Cephrir is scum, and I'm starting to think more of a possibility due to Trow's now trying to bus--if they're both scum and both bussing each other, that's a definite way to try and keep one of them alive long enough to win), again nothing you've written up there can point me out as scum either. You're really grasping at straws here.
Let's look at your "connection case" between two players who are yet unconfirmed--more specifically what you've brought up that I have written.
Link 1) You point out that I am calling for out of the box thinking, because we keep on lynching towns - Scum points? No.
Link 2) You put a link to me saying we still need to think about other possibilities, although I don't want the scum to get away. You also point out a place where Mothrax was a L-1 and Maruchan was... at 2 votes... I don't see a link between myself and Maruchan's slot. I see a link between myself and Mothrax's slot. Even still, how is reiterating my point = me having evil intentions? Scum points? Nope, not this one either.
Link 3) Tragedy brought up the point that I was disproving Mothrax's theory about Maruchan. I explained that it was Mothrax's largest contribution to the game thus far, and I was making sure it wasn't bogus but he had good reasoning and wasn't just jumping on opportunistically on wagons. Investigating Mothrax to see if he's scummy = Scum points? Nope, wrong again.
Aaand, the Maruchan quote about blacklisting... I can also read it as "I have Thunderwielder as a townie, and I believe with him that you are scum. So don't get in a huge huff about it, if his accusations are hurting your feelings."
Saying this quote cements "Thunder/Maruchan" scum buddies is reaching. Reaching over the Grand Canyon. Read the argument between Glowball and I again. It was filled with over-emotion on her part, and she started claiming to blacklist me for really no reason other than I was attacking her, and, since she was town, she believed I was an idiot and never wanted to play with me again.
So the sum total of that "connection case" equals.... well, pretty much nothing. And that's even HYPOTHETICALLY in a world where Cephrir is scum (which very well could be true).
Moving on
You case against me solely. (not sure why this one didn't come before the Cephrir/Thunder connecting case--interesting that the two most vocal people about your case are now scumpartners--I know you had Cephrir down before, but still.
What's also interesting is that, when you start going about to paint me as scum, you start with a connecting case between someone who might be bussing you. Do you know Cephrir is scum, which is why you started out this way? Wow, you and Tragedy DO have a lot in common
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Actually, I'm not sure if this is a case against me (or if you have one other than my pretended connections with Maruchan/Cephrir), but I'll address your points.
1) Okay, I'm not basing my entire case upon you for the slip that I didn't think was a slip and now I'm re-investigating. But that's what you do when people flip ways that you don't expect them to flip. You
. So I was following up leads, also based upon the 50% chance. And seeing how you reacted. Which has given me more cause to believe that you are scum--reactionfishing, it's a wonderful thing. (No, my sole purpose was not reactionfishing, but it is a very useful by-product)
2) You say self-preservation. I say defensiveness. Not defensiveness in a productive way, but defensiveness in a way that just consists of lashing out. It reads to me more like "Oh, shit, I thought we put that thing to bed, why are people dragging it out again" in a way that's like you're caught, rather than in a way that's bored. Basically, you're reacting too much to it. If it meant nothing (if you were town), you would have brushed it off as if it were nothing. The fact that you KEPT harping about it, means something to me.
3)Thanks for giving me town-cred. But no thanks for mis-representing my case. My case is NOT centred around that single fact. More of it has to do with probabilities.
Which you keep conveniently forgetting to address.
You're focusing SO HARD on the weaker points against you that you're hoping everyone will forget there is a
DEFINITE 50% chance you're scum
. We can't make that up. Either Saulres protected the right person, or Supreme Overlord thought correctly in picking the least active player at the time to roleblock. And since Saulres didn't breadcrumb anything, and we have Quilford's word, I know what I'm putting my money on. ESPECIALLY in a Lynch or Lose situation, I'm going to use every statistical advantage I can in order for us to see another day.
I'm talking about two sort of traps that I tried to do. One was to use you as bait, if you were town, to reaction fish (This one was never put into action, but I was thinking it. Hence my
Post 1056 Check my first Newbie game, with Chkflip and Workdawg interactions near the end, pertaining to h3ll0. That's exactly what I was trying to do here, since I've never been in another Lylo, I was drawing from what I know. Anyway, that was one).
THE OTHER was, after you went on about "How do you know I'm not the roleblocker" after our roleblocker had already claimed, to get you (as scum) to miss that vital information and fake claim, so I could catch you in a lie.
"Who's going to buy that?"
Who's going to buy why you were talking out of your butt saying "How do you know I'm not the roleblocker? Give me PROOF--BEFORE post 1027, mind you" when Quilford's claim was in post 1024. Yup. I did believe you were that silly. You talking about the roleblocking today is more of a point that it was yesterday (but again, you've conveniently overlooked that and focused on the easily dismissible).
Oh, and your two links are just as bogus as any of the rest of your "case" against me.
Link 1) I suspect Tragedy and you, and tell both of you to counter claim. Correct. No misrepresentation there. Also, Scum Points? Nope, wrong again.
Link 2) (this was also put here so Amrun wouldn't blow my whole friggin trap) Check your timeframe. EVERYBODY had claimed. So, yup, you're the only one left. The only one who I suspected enough to push this on, especially after you said "How do you know I'm not the roleblocker--give me knowledge of this after post 1027" With Quilford already claiming.
And "timing was Tragedy specific"... really? Tragedy claimed Vanilla Townie, AGAIN, in the post after your first link. I didn't even need to work to find out how terrible your logic was.
So, Mr. Trow. I'll ask again. Are there any other reasons that I'm now your suspect, other than OMGUS. And because I'm your most vocal attacker? Anything at all?.... Yeah, I didn't think so either.
Most logical scumteam
Mr.Trow/Tragedy/Cephrir (Cephrir inches out everyone else because of potential bussing on both sides.
If it was really crazy, it could go
Mr. Trow/Cephrir/Hoppster (I think this scenario is less likely, but who knows. I'm getting weird vibes from Hoppster, but that might just be because he seems to be defending Trow so much).
Either way, my vote's going to be on Trow right now.
But thanks for the large post, Trow (actually). I really like responding to stuff. Bogus as it may be.
PEdit.
Eh, I dislike the first part of the response, but like the second.
First part still feels like it could be bussing, second part seems genuine and makes me doubt my read of the first part.
That's all I'm going to read into about it today, because it's 2:30 in the morning.
