Brightest Day Mafia, Part 1 - GAME OVER

[Andrius]

http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/v76YAcBxZeD
Its a sizeable read.

[Andrius]

OH MAGUA
I LOVED PLAYING WITH YOU
AND RELISHED THAT MISLYNCH WE PUSHED ON YOU
but still
<3

[Andrius]

BTW
someone with art skillz
needs to make Kast a yellow lantern goomba avatar
just sayin

[nopointinactingup]

t'was a good game

[Kast]

Wait...who made WLC vanilla?

[Kast]

Also, damn we were more powerful than we thought...next time scum teammembers NEED to submit their entire role PM in QT. Toog you didn't tell us you got an EXTRA KILL.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Wait...who made WLC vanilla?

Motivator + Larfleeze stealing Andrius' roleblock.

Motivate N2 powered up the Roleblock that Larfleeze stole N1.

A powered up roleblock blocks not for 1 night, but for the WHOLE GAME.

Therefore, it essentially vanilizes the target. Larfleeze RB'd the Cult Doctor (WLC) N2, and vanilized him.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also, damn we were more powerful than we thought...next time scum teammembers NEED to submit their entire role PM in QT. Toog you didn't tell us you got an EXTRA KILL.

2- Shot Vig.

2 extra kills.

You guys were NOT underpowered by ANY stretch of the imagination. ANY.

I'll note that you were in MYLO this last day. 6:2.

With those two kills (had Toog not been lynched), it would have been 4:2. Game over.

[Kast]

Also, lolz we were right, Black had no investigation abilities so they DIDN'T actually know who was town/scum other than the OMGUSing and bad fake claims.

And Tans you didn't mention that your Ability Thief was a DOUBLE ROLEBLOCK >_>

@LLD-
Agreed, I've never once said that mafia was underpowered in this game. I mentioned several times that I liked the balance. What made it a stacked game against mafia was that 2 of our members were unannounced MIA for the entire game and Hiplop went on V/LA for the entire middle section. Toog hadn't claimed his ability to us, but that's our own fault for letting him die D1. Essentially we played this game as a 3 man mafia team.

@Tans-
Damn you vanillizer!!! J/K, but lol that's an interesting dynamic/interaction. Did mods mention anything to you about getting powered up that night?

[Kast]

Why did Drill Sergeant (Miscellaneous) successfully enhance Roleblocker (Roleblock)?

[Toogeloo]

Toog you didn't tell us you got an EXTRA KILL.

I didn't tell you because I didn't realize I did until after I was already lynched. Not that it would have mattered... I doubt any one of you would have tried to save me from being lynched as it's not worth sticking your neck out on a Double Day that early.

It was a complacency issue in reading my Role PM. I thought of Janitor in only a particular way, and that the "Extra" was just me getting a second use of it.

[zMuffinMan]

Can we get a list of night actions and a list of what happened to particular abilities when they were powered up (if there's a list like this)?

[zMuffinMan]

(also I'd like to know what happened to abilities I downgraded as well and which ones I'd actually roleblock)

[tanstalas]

I didnt get powered up, nor did I vanillaize anyone...

Not sure what LLD and kast are on about.

[Kast]

[quote="GI]No farking clue why the scumteam is flipping out to dive onto the WLC wagon.[/quote]We thought WLC was lying about the vanilla since we knew we didn't do it. We also didn't know at the time whether the vanillizer ability would roleblock and stop Tans from using the stolen roleblock since none of the mods wanted to answer that for us >_<. (We later got the answer by asking what would happen if Hiplop vanillized Andy and Andy roleblocked Hiplop).

The more I think about it, the more confused I am about why the mafia killed me last night.

You were either town vig who would shoot mafia or SK who would also shoot mafia. We needed to remove one of the two mafia killing night actions (either the CR or the SK/Vig). Ultimately we went for you and blocked the CR. You getting recruited was unexpected but had the effect we wanted (mafia no longer was in danger from night actions).

If they seriously go with Kast's plan they are fucking retarded. Seriously. I destroyed Kast's credibility. This town does suck. Jesus.

This is why everyone lynched Ludi. You did not have a realistic understanding of the game state or what people believed or did not believe.

The White Lantern ring mechanic was fun, but balance-wise seems off. It triggers on town doing something right (which is neat), but it's essentially a "WIN MORE" instead of a "BALANCE" mechanic.

I think at the end of the day the fact that you had three members of your team who basically killed themselves and you're still not in terrible shape going into endgame bespeaks the raw power your 6 man team had.
...
Toogaloo was so scummy a member of another scumteam faked a guilty on him for towncred.

Toog's getting a bad rap that's really unfair. Nik made an idiot gambit but got lucky. Toog had posted something like 1 non-joke post and some players hadn't even posted at all yet. It was an RVS "joke" investigation that town took way more seriously than they should have. I don't normally agree with much of Toog's playstyle, but it's really not fair to pin his lynch on his play.

Kast goes into flail mode and posts these obnoxiously long walls under pressure as scum. Unfortunately I don't think anyone in thread alive actually knows this.

Not completely accurate. I post different walls as town and scum. Having played in both types of games you tend to have better insight than most into which is which. If I had to self categorize the difference, I'd say the scum walls tend to focus more on the logic and theory and brush past other parts, while the town walls tend to push more emotion/gut.

Part of me figured that claiming to be 100% really truly anticult would keep the mafia from hammering us

You were right...mafia wasn't going to hammer you. Town did it almost entirely on their own...

It was meant to do two things: penalize the town if they massclaimed (since massclaiming has the potential to break any flavor-based game) and limit the swinginess of the non-vanilla setup.

Massclaim would have flavor broken. It would immediately have outed 3 mafia and 1 cult (one mafia and one cult labors of twelve members without WL claims; two scum WL claims who weren't labors of twelve members). Vezok was the "exception" but town would have been better off without him anyway.

I thought it worked quite beautifully.

Requiring the character name for a vanillize made the power much weaker, and ultimately was the deciding factor in vanillizing Toast instead of Muffin. In that sense, it achieved it's purpose by rewarding town with a win since Muffin's survival with Toast's death would have almost definitely resulted in Muffin thinking his ability cleared me.

BB
killjoy
Mr. S
Andy
Magister
Oversoul

Might have missed some
Also, other people of the same faction as modkilled person might have been killed as well because you can't modkill a dead person.

My brother wanted Tans modkilled when he quoted his mod PM saying he became a vanilla. I told my brother it would be a lame modkill and please don't ask for it.

The difference between Ludi and OS and killjoy,

The big problem with Killjoy is he KNEW it was against the rules and INTENTIONALLY CONTINUED. Andy, OS, Ludi all did it without really realizing they were breaking the rules and stopped when they realized. Lots of people broke the using colored fonts rule, but stopped when it was pointed out.

I told Kast (who was asking about this stuff) what I just told you, without telling him that it didn't matter because the cult was all dead.

So I think I managed to give away nothing, while still being fair.

Lol. It was already clear cult was all gone. I was hoping you could do something to balance out the whole "oh Hiplop is mafia? Ok, we'll lynch Hiplop now and put a clear on Tans and Vezok". I didn't expect anything, but there's always HOPE.

@Muffin-
Btw, I was really very sad when you adjusted the plan so that you were no longer self redirecting me (that was a very obvious claim btw). I didn't think it was safe to ask you to stick with the original plan. I was happy when BB asked you to revert and you agreed. I was sad again when I realized BB wouldn't do the townie thing and realize you would go with the plan you laid out.

I suppose wildcards don't expect townies to play like townies.

[Kast]

@Tans-
Lolz, read the dead thread. YOU vanillized WLC. You got powered up. Your roleblock from Andy turned into a Vanillizer ability. It's a bit weird that mods didn't tell you that (ultimately it worked for town, but that's an extremely unlikely, exceptional coincidence).

[zMuffinMan]

Btw, I was really very sad when you adjusted the plan so that you were no longer self redirecting me (that was a very obvious claim btw). I didn't think it was safe to ask you to stick with the original plan.

I wasn't trying to hide the claim, I made it very obvious what it was when I said I had potential to destroy the scum team and I was a redirector, etc etc. The reason I changed things up by altering the plan with my watch ability is because I knew I'd made it obvious and scum could always choose not to kill because of it. I always planned to use my roleblocking ability that night - I was never going to waste my watch ability on BB.

The only problem was I didn't take into account the possibility that mafia could submit both their personal actions and the night kill and I gave too much credit to hiplop based solely on his claim when he was obviously playing in a scummy way and active lurking. meh

[Oversoul]

Sorry it ended this way, mafia. :\

I have more opinions but heading out to a wedding right now so expect those in a few days.

Although

Mod, why was there duality between the fakeclaims and actual roles? Mera Aquaman Hawk and Dove

Is Larfleeze that skinny?

Why was Mera a cult doctor and Soranik Natu a cop? They should be reversed in my opinion.

Yes, I am one of the people who habitually cried foul.

[danakillsu]

Mod, why was there duality between the fakeclaims and actual roles? Mera Aquaman Hawk and Dove

Is Larfleeze that skinny?

Why was Mera a cult doctor and Soranik Natu a cop? They should be reversed in my opinion.

Yes, I am one of the people who habitually cried foul.

To throw people off. That's the best way to make fakeclaims. So that they don't SOUND fake to certain people.

Yessir. Greed has consumed him, just like Gollum.

I thought the description in the role PMs would have told you that. Mera tried to protect Aquaman and others from the zombie fish that Aquaman was unintentionally controlling. Soranik Natu is a Green Lantern, so that pretty much explains the fact that she can find Sinestros and Red Lanterns in and of itself.

[danakillsu]

Okay, it'll take me a little while to compile all the night actions, but I can do it.

[danakillsu]

Night 1:
Mr. Subliminal commutes.
PeregrineV does nothing.
tanstalas steals Andrius's role.
Andrius roleblocks tanstalas.
ToastyToast jails Nikanor.
Lady Lambdadelta redirects inHim to CandleJack. (oops, you're dead)
vezokpiraka freezes Oversoul.
Oversoul protects CandleJack.
WLC protects Mr. Subliminal from being culted.
Magister Ludi recruits nopointinactingup.
Andrius kills FrozenMirror.
Blackberry investigates FrozenMirror.
FrozenMirror investigates hiplop (for being cult).
Friend watches zMuffinMan.
zMuffinMan voyeurs Mr. Subliminal.


Night 2:
PeregrineV upgrades tanstalas.
zMuffinMan downgrades Mr. Subliminal.
Andrius roleblocks Mr. Subliminal.
ToastyToast jails Oversoul.
vezokpiraka freezes Kast.
tanstalas vanillizes WLC (since it reached vanillize from being upgraded, it resolved first).
hiplop successfully vanillizes tanstalas (by saying he's Larfleeze).
Oversoul protects CandleJacks (delayed action).
WLC protects Kast from being culted.
Magister Ludi recruits inHim.
Andrius kills Friend.
inHim kills PeregrineV.
Blackberry investigates zMuffinMan.

Night 3:
Andrius roleblocks Magister Ludi.
Oversoul roleblocks ToastyToast.
ToastyToast jailkeeps Magister Ludi.
vezokpiraka freezes ToastyToast.
Magister Ludi attempts to recruit tanstalas (fails).
Andrius kills Kdub.
Blackberry investigates vezokpiraka.

Night 4:
ToastyToast jails Killjoy.
zMuffinMan boomerangs Kast.
vezokpiraka freezes tanstalas.
hiplop successfully vanillizes ToastyToast (by saying he's Star Sapphire).
Killjoy attempts to recruit ToastyToast (fails).
hiplop kills zMuffinMan.
Blackberry investigates Kast.

And...I think that's it. The last thing I'll get to you guys is the UPick submissions. They're pretty awful.

[danakillsu]

Code: Select all

Black/White 1st choice:      Black/White 2nd choice:       Black/White 3rd choice:      

WormyKrew                    SnakePlissken                 Kast
hiplop                       nopointinactingup             MoI & AGM
Bogre                        Kublai Khan                   Ghostwriter
ooba                         marco1610                     Toogeloo
Lady Lambdadelta             ToastyToast                   Andrius & Faraday
                             Vaya                          vezokpiraka
                             zMuffinMan                    LynchMePls
                                                           WeyounsLastClone
                                                           TheStove
                                                           tanstalas

Colored 1st choice:           Colored 2nd choice:           Colored 3rd choice:

Kast                          MoI & AGM                     SnakePlissken
marco1610                     hiplop                        nopointinactingup
ToastyToast                   Ghostwriter                   Kublai Khan
LynchMePLs                    Toogeloo                      WormyKrew
Vaya                          TheStove                      Andius & Faraday
                              ooba                          vezokpiraka
                              tanstalas                     WeyounsLastClone
                                                            zMuffinMan

Non Lantern 1st choice:

SnakePlissken
nopointinactingup
MoI & AGM
Kublai Khan
Ghostwriter
Toogeloo
Andrius & Faraday
vezokpiraka
WeyounsLastClone
zMuffinMan
The Stove
tanstalas

So basically, as you can see, it didn't matter one iota whether you had non-lantern as your second pick, and usually didn't matter if you had it as your first pick, because about half of the players did, and there were only three non-lanterns in the game: Mera, Ice, and Dove. One person (Nikanor) got their last choice because of this insanity. Of course, that was before all the queue shut-down craziness...

[zMuffinMan]

Do you have a list of how upgrading/downgrading affected different players?

And what would have happened if I had downgraded an upgraded ability?

[Blackberry]

I think we can all agree:

Blackberry was the best player here!

lol

...

Also, why didn't yall block/kill/something me? I was sooo close to investigating hiplop both past two nights . I change my mind very quickly as you have seen, had I waited a bit or submitted my action at a different time, I might have easily changed it to hiplop. >_<

[The Book of Oa]

Do you have a list of how upgrading/downgrading affected different players?

And what would have happened if I had downgraded an upgraded ability?

Let's not get into that. It would take a long time, and I don't think anyone cares that much.

They would have cancelled each other out, and the ability would have remained the same as it originally was.