Mini 1247- Auction Mafia: Abandoned

[sorgster]

GreyIce says I get another phase because I get investigate. You say scum can buy items if to not let town have it then decide not to vote me and agree with greyice to give me another phase. There is a huge connection.

[sorgster]

EBWOP:If I was scum, how useful would the investigation results be?

[bv310]

The part of Grey's that I was agreeing with was saying that Soda's post was scummy. I don't think you should get an extra night phase, since if you're scum more than likely you'll just "clear" one of your buddies, but I know I'm in a minority there.

[PeregrineV]

Alright, my 50% investigate actually worked!

bv is town

guys. Unless if he's like

godfather

or some shit.

1.Why are people voting bv after these results?
2.Why does godfather come up into your head sodaspirit? It is a small game, I doubt there would be a godfather.

sorg is pretty much always awful (sorry) this isn't a scum-tell
and there was a death last night, so i dont see how sorgster being roleblocked makes him scum.
I think grey (UD) bought the 100NK. idt he bought doctor or bus.

Isssss it just me or does this guy kinda have to be scum?

Ain't no way he's flipping town.

Vote: SodaSpirit17

Sorg's bought himself a phase with that investigation, so we give it to him.

@Sorgster- 1. If Soda is scum as indicated by greyIce, his results are invalid.
2. I've seen them in minis before. Maybe a balance to all the town points they have to buy investigate.

@Hiplop- yeah but twice in a row with less than no reason is just about crossing the border from lazy to scummy, knowwutimean?

[Shanba]

EBWOP:If I was scum, how useful would the investigation results be?

The point is not that the investigation would be useful to you as scum, but that it would be useful to stop town having it. Regardless, I think it makes you less
likely to be scum anyway.

sorgsters vote on daphne was awful because it was poorly justified wagon hop; he basically says "he looks slightly different in this game compared to the other game I played with him" which is incredibly vague and woolly and if you were inexperienced scum trying to get on a wagon would be exactly the kind of vote you'd make. I think the followup "I dont care if he's scum kill him anyway" is pretty stupid, but looks townish (frustration). I dont think scum are that likely to say "this guy Im voting I dont care if hes scum" - being scum makes you more areful about your words, since your primary priority is to avoid being lynched.

His first post today was an attack on empking for being suspicious of the dead guy - which is really just dumb, I guess. Anyway, Voidedmafia is where it's at.

Vote: VoidedMafia

Guy should be dead. For real.

[Shanba]

The part of Grey's that I was agreeing with was saying that Soda's post was scummy. I don't think you should get an extra night phase, since if you're scum more than likely you'll just "clear" one of your buddies, but I know I'm in a minority there.

If he gets an extra night phase but we then lynch him the next day, it doesnt matter whether he cleared a townie, a scumbuddy or the queen of england, his result is totally worthless. If he's a townie, then lynching him loses us the result for good. If he's scum, then dead is dead regardless of when it happens.

The only consideration that should make you consider lynching him today is if you think that tomorrow for whatever reason there wont be enough votes to lynch him (perhaps an anti-sorgster townie will be nightkilled and leave pro-sorgsters in the majority).

At any rate, the more I read his posts the less I think he is scum.

[Voidedmafia]

Okay, why?

[hiplop]

no i dont sorry pere :\ the cases on them make sense to me

[GreyICE]

The part of Grey's that I was agreeing with was saying that Soda's post was scummy. I don't think you should get an extra night phase, since if you're scum more than likely you'll just "clear" one of your buddies, but I know I'm in a minority there.

And if he's not scum? I don't think that's likely, but I'm not arrogant enough to believe that my reads are 100%. Soda is just as scummy, if not scummier, and this way we maximize our percentages.

If Sorg flips scum tomorrow, we just ignore the investigation result as WIFOM.

[GreyICE]

Don't worry, I haven't forgotten about this game! I was going to say I'd catch up on it later, but it looks like there's not really much to catch up on.

So my catching up consists of:

-Haiiii GreyICE!~~~
-Makes a lot of sense now why sorgster opened up the day with a vote on me for being likely to kill Empking (the missing nightkill was fresh on his mind). Of course it's also possible scum don't have a nightkill, but that seems really badly balanced regardless of the number of scum (3 scum would be underpowered; 4 scum could buy the kill often enough to be overpowered). Waiting for him to make another post before probably voting him etc etc.

Oh yeah,

HI DRK!

<3

Good to see you

[Lurconis]

The part of Grey's that I was agreeing with was saying that Soda's post was scummy. I don't think you should get an extra night phase, since if you're scum more than likely you'll just "clear" one of your buddies, but I know I'm in a minority there.

And if he's not scum? I don't think that's likely, but I'm not arrogant enough to believe that my reads are 100%. Soda is just as scummy, if not scummier, and this way we maximize our percentages.

If Sorg flips scum tomorrow, we just ignore the investigation result as WIFOM.

^This there is no reason to let the claimed 100% investigation swing today when if he swings tomorrow we have a potential result.

[SodaSpirit17]

why exactly am i getting jumped.............. I really don't know.

[Magua]

who were x and y? Can you please say that?

I see zero reason to say that at this time.

With the roleblocker unclaimed, it's safe to assume it's in scum hands. In order to prevent "guys, I was roleblocked!" tomorrow, Sorgster should trade the 100% investigation to someone in the bargain phase. I'm ok with not lynching him today if he agrees with this.

If someone claims the roleblocker, then Sorgster should give the 100% Investigation to bv310.

Peregrine and Lurconis both just don't seem to even be bothering to play, which is really throwing me off. I can understand being suspicious of bv310, but to FoS him/vote him the page after someone outs an inno report on him, without mentioning the report at all, is just...yeah.

[DeathRowKitty]

Oh, wow. I started this post last night, got lazy about it, slept instead, and then just dreamt about this game. I think it's time for me to make this damned post.

I started this post with the intention of telling people to stop voting SS17 (for having bought the 50% investigation) aaaaaaand then I remembered something kind of obvious. Let's look way back yonder:

Guys I don't think mafia would waste their money on a cop scan, so whoever buys cop scans are pretty much confirmed town...

My response to this at the time was

I disagree that bidding on the normal investigate makes you town, but yeah, whoever bid on 50% investigate is almost definitely town...unless it's you.

So as it turns out, guess who bought the 50% investigate. Yep. Mr. "Whoever Bid on the Investigations is Town!" had the 50% investigation. Whoops!

Adding to that, no one asked me for a better explanation of this (it kind of made me sad that SS17 never jumped on it, but that's a null tell obviously), but now you're getting one anyway. It's just going to be a brief laundry list of his scummy page 8 posts, but I don't like you people anyway.

hippy, get in here and post some.

Uncle is looking terrible. I have played a game with him too, and in retrospect, he's not looking good at all.

I don't dig his playstyle at all. he hasn't given legitimate reasons for ANY of his votes. He's just said they're scummy AF, and doesn't supply reasons...

Plus what kinda town would seriously spend 15 pts. DAY 1 on a night1 kill? Really?

VOTE: Unc

I don't think I need to explain why this looks scummy outside of context, but let's put this post into context for something a bit more solid: this was his first post of the game that looked at alignments (except his post to say that those good townies who bought the investigations were town). He'd previously commented on uncledaphne spending 15 of his points on the night kill without any mention of it being scummy (and in fact implied otherwise).

*skips short null post*

[quote="SS17, [url="http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 4#p3474614]

Attention: Mego is scum. That is all.vote: Mego

DRK SAID
I can go for some of this.Vote: MegoThe rather foolish insistence his initial target is scum is no bueno in my book. Or at least it will be when I write a book. I think I'll title it Mego's Rather Foolish Insistence His Original Target is Scum is No Bueno in This Book.It's not that uncledaphne definitely isn't scum or anything (though he's probably not and I'm really not sure why so many people are voting him). There's one thing that could happen that would make me considerably more likely to vote him day 2, but no need to get ahead of ourselves here.


If Uncle does flip scum this looks terrible for you in the latter.

(Pre-post Edit: GAH, url tags in quote tags is confusing if I don't hit the quote button to use it -.-) Plain and simple, there's just no reason for him to ever have posted that. It's the kind of thing I would never even think to post given no knowledge of the alignment of the player I was talking about. Or at least I wouldn't even remotely post it from that angle. Something more like "no, ur dum, go revel in ur dumness and b dum" would make sense from town that wanted a lynch, but a comment that puts so much stake in 1) an unknown alignment
2) the fact that uncledaphne will be lynched
in order to have any function seems very out of place from town.

And then he has some other posts and stuff.


I agree with sorgster's investigation buying him an extra day. Even if he's scum, he should just trade his investigation to someone else tonight and have them investigate a target of his choice and we can figure out what to do with him tomorrow.

Apparently dreaming about this game revitalized my interest in it....I'll brb with a scum/townlist. Gotta post this now b/c I don't know how far I am from a prod and I currently have no sense of time.

[DeathRowKitty]

OMG I THOUGHT I FIXED THAT QUOTE TAG >_<

[DeathRowKitty]

I'm being a bit loose with my categories b/c I don't feel like posting 5-7 categories like I used to, but here's a general idea of where things stand (brief explanation added in for anything I feel deserves one):

TownTown

Magua
bv310 (He was townish as Klazam (yes, in his one and a half posts) and I wouldn't expect scum to make up a town result on a buddy in the current meta, which makes bv310 very likely town regardless of SS17's alignment)
me (If I don't put myself here, I'm going to lose count of how many people I'm missing....and I'll manage to lose track anyway because of the dead people)
GreyICE
hiplop (...because he just is)

ScumVille

SS17
sorgster

Leftover City

Shanba
VoidedMafia (someone I definitely need to put more thought into; from his posts, my gut feeling is scum, but the whole forgetting about his 25% shot would make him much more likely town if true...then again, I don't really see why town would forget about it either, but...yeah, just leave him as null)
Lurconis (I'm leeeaaaaning town on him, but I for some reason decided not to put a leaning town category into this list. I tend not to remember his posts, but when I do remember them, I haven't found them particularly objectionable.)
PeregrineV (If I had to move one of my leftovers to the scum category, it would be him. Probably. Maybe....IT DEPENDS ON WHAT I THINK OF VOIDED, OKAY? He was someone I just ignored for most of the early-game. His posts

seemed

to have a slightly-off mindset to them. One of those "huh...I really feel like that post of his should be scummy, but I think it's null, maybe?" kinds of things if that makes sense. I meant to pay more attention to him afterwards and then didn't because I stopped paying very close attention to the game at some point. I'll elaborate on this read more if anyone asks.)


So long story short, I really need to hone in on my scum reads, I guess.

[GreyICE]

I'll still love you if you're scum DRK.

[Lurconis]

Look, do you even have a reason for voting for me? Is it because I'm an easy target? Because you were pointing fingers at a good portion of the crew, but not once did you vote. Then I make my introductory post, and you vote me for no reason. Tell me, why do you think I am scum? Is this meta you are using?

MOD VOTE COUNT:
Uncledaphne 5 (Sodaspirit, mego, voidedmafia, sorgster, lunconis)
Mego 2 (BV310, deathrowkitty)
BV310 1 (Magua)
Luronis 1 (empking)
magua 1 (peregrine)
Sodaspirit 1 (uncledaphne)

@Soda why so defensive when only one vote was on you? How were you an eady target?

-phone

[GreyICE]

why exactly am i getting jumped.............. I really don't know.

Because you're obviously scum and you're not attempting to hide it? If you thought you were playing like town, you're not bro.

[PeregrineV]

who were x and y? Can you please say that?

I see zero reason to say that at this time.

With the roleblocker unclaimed, it's safe to assume it's in scum hands. In order to prevent "guys, I was roleblocked!" tomorrow, Sorgster should trade the 100% investigation to someone in the bargain phase. I'm ok with not lynching him today if he agrees with this.

Roleblocker claim

If someone claims the roleblocker, then Sorgster should give the 100% Investigation to bv310.

Roleblocker claim

Peregrine and Lurconis both just don't seem to even be bothering to play, which is really throwing me off. I can understand being suspicious of bv310, but to FoS him/vote him the page after someone outs an inno report on him, without mentioning the report at all, is just...yeah.

Odd, becuase I claimed three of the powers sold at auction, then pointed out where three players all posted consecutively after one another, TWICE, while at the same time all three voting for the same person, BOTH TIMES.

@hiplop- The case on both players both times?

[sorgster]

who were x and y? Can you please say that?

I see zero reason to say that at this time.

With the roleblocker unclaimed, it's safe to assume it's in scum hands. In order to prevent "guys, I was roleblocked!" tomorrow, Sorgster should trade the 100% investigation to someone in the bargain phase. I'm ok with

not lynching him today

if he agrees with this.

If someone claims the roleblocker, then Sorgster should give the 100% Investigation to bv310.

Peregrine and Lurconis both just don't seem to even be bothering to play, which is really throwing me off. I can understand being suspicious of bv310, but to FoS him/vote him the page after someone outs an inno report on him, without mentioning the report at all, is just...yeah.

I see many. 1. One of those could have been the target and could have been either protected/bulletproof.etc.
I refuse to agree to giving away my investigate. The chance of giving is to scum is possible. You can validate my answers after I hang next day phase.
I dislike how you seem to be assuming bv is conftown. There is a possibility of a godfather and a lying soda. The lying soda is more possible as soda seems very suspicious at the moment.

[Shanba]

Vote: Uncledaphne

for his actions during the auction phase.

Empking: That's a scummy statement, why?

Vote: Uncledaphne

for his actions during the auction phase.

Empking: That's a scummy statement, why?

Its so...dull.

Not really.

I do agree that the 100% NK should claim (and that we should choose the most town person of the day to bid on it, so that it'll stay of scum's hands), but I do agree with Lurco's thinking that the rest really shouldn't claim unless it's really prudent for them to do so.

These two posts in conjunction were what first made me notice VoidedMafia. He voted uncledaphne for his actions during the auction phase, but seemingly in the second post, doesn't know that uncledaphne had already claimed ownership of the 100% nightkill, which was one of the most egregious of uncledaphne's actions during the auction phase. Or to put it another way, he's voting for uncledaphne without seemingly knowing what uncledaphne has done.

But Shanba, I hear you cry, what if he was speaking generally? That would be extremely strange, considering he was replying directly to Magua and Lurconis who were speaking specifically about this phase.

Wondering whether I had misunderstood, I asked him for a clarification (being careful not to spook the prey) and got a beautifully vague response that didnt really say anything:

Shanba: A large amount of his actions in the Auction phase went into that vote, and nothing he's done since has made me want to change it.

I asked him again for clarification, and he simply didnt reply.

There's a couple of minor things that have happened since: his mediocre prodding of bev on day 1 was pretty scummy, and I'm not overly impressed with the whole "I forgot my ability" thing either. General low content and lacking scumhunting make him my top suspect.

lynchlynchlynch

[GreyICE]

No Shanba.

SodaSpirit is obvious scum sitting right in front of us.

He dies.

We'll worry about whether you are town or scum at a later date.

[Voidedmafia]

I didn't explain cuz work got in the way <_<. That, and I didn't feel like linking up most of his posts A1 and D1.

As for the post about the 100% NK, no, I--wait a second. Now that I've looked at that post, where IS uncle's post near those two?

Oh, yeah, right Here, in 164, roughly 20 posts after mine, where I definitely noticed it. Still wanted him lynched, btw. So, there's one point of your's gone thanks to your own forgetfulness of events.

Now, you've got me on low content and little scumhunting, as I've been too stretched to put any effort into most of my games. Most of it is going into my modded game, my IC game, and one of my replaced-in Newbie games with Equinox. However, if you're gonna push for me, at least try to use something that makes sense.

Though, I do need to look over Sodaspirit. But Grey, why'd you say before that Soda gets one free phase because of his investigation, but now you're going back to "he dies now!"?

[Lurconis]

He said sorg gets one free phase as he has the 100% investigate not soda